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Joe Rogan

First of all, thanks for coming and

Very nice time

Dr. Robert Malone

Thanks Christmas present

Actually, Ryan Cole is the one that first got these, and my wife has been jealous ever since, so this is what

I got for where?

Previous list

Joe Rogan

Does one get a COVID tie?

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't know

She looked it up on on Amazon or someplace and found it

Joe Rogan

You gotta love how industrious some of these

Folks are, that's just

You know they they find a niche like I know what I want to sell COVID ties

Dr. Robert Malone

There you go

I gotta I gotta have a tux for an event that's coming up in Texas in a couple of months

And so my wife is writing to the guy that does the ties and to see if he can make a bow tie

That's got the virus on it

Joe Rogan

Are you?

I mean, are you tired of this?

Tired dealing with this, do you feel a duty to talk about this like we should just say because of historically we should just state what's happening here

So today is the 20

Know the 30th of December and yesterday you were kicked off Twitter correct, true?

Uhm, we scheduled this in advance

It's just coincidentally that you were kicked off Twitter

What, what were you kicked out?

Well, first of all, before we even do this, please tell everybody what your history is and what your

What your degrees are and what you do

Dr. Robert Malone

OK so I'm gonna do the short version

OK so you know this can last for an hour if we go into the whole history of M RNA vaccines and all that kind of stuff

My history I I am

I was originally a Carpenter and a farmhand in the Central Coast of California, and decided that I wanted

To go back to

School and did two years of computer science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking at a computer monitor in a basement

Bad decision and decided that I wanted to try to become an MD

Which was a hard thing to try to do in the in the late 70s, so that was a real stretch objective

Went to UC Davis after two years of undergrad at Santa Barbara City College

And wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular biology, in particular on cancer

My mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer and so I looked around and found a laboratory UC Davis with a guy named Bob Cardiff and another guy named Mary Gardner

That were working with retroviruses and their links to breast cancer

And it just happened that while I was in there, this is circa 8384

This whole thing cut loose in San Francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in men, and the lab ended up right at the forefront of that, you know, Davis is just down the street, basically from San Francisco

And at the Davis Primate Center, they had discovered that there were monkeys that had immunodeficiency

And so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate as a total bench rat

When Preston Marx and Murray Gardner and others made the first discovery of a retrovirus basis for immunodeficiency in primates

Then Murray went to the pastor

Brought back the virus literally

In his pocket

Went with there with Bob Gallo

Met with a guy named Luc Montagnier that you may know

And that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine effort for AIDS, so I that's kind of what I cut my teeth on

So it came out of that I, you know, I was

It was it was really bold to think that I could get into medical school

And I kind of overshot the mark

I got an MD PhD Scholarship at Northwestern University in Chicago, and so I went from having grown up in Santa Barbara with my wife

We were high school sweethearts to Chicago and that was kind of an abrupt

Transition so

We decided that I would do my graduate work at San Diego

And I've been accepted into a program

At UC San Diego that had two of the top gene therapy specialists, I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses

That was what I thought was going to be my life

And so we moved down to San Diego and I started working in the laboratory vendor Virma, which is in the

Molecular biology and virology labs at the Salk Institute

And this is a place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go

It was there was seven Nobel laureates at the time, plus Jonas, A really intense competitive environment

I carved out a little niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work, which was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged

And from that

I had to develop a series of technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into cells and that through a cascade of events being at the right place at the right time, asking the right questions, surrounded by geniuses

Led to the series of discoveries that now forms the basis

Of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines

And 10 issued patents from there were all filed in 89

So that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine and this, but since then

Went on finished my MD did two fellowships at UC Davis

Taught pathology for years

Set up a gene therapy lab

Had many other discoveries

Came out to the East Coast

Created the technology platform that is now the basis of the company called Inovio

We actually originally founded Inovio

In the United States, this is a post electrical fields

They have one of the DNA vaccines for COVID

Then the planes hit the towers

The investors pulled back and I went to work for a company called Dyne Port Vaccine Company that had the prime systems contract as government speak for all the biodefense products for the Department of Defense for Advanced Development, which is to say clinical trials through licensure

And that's why I kind of transition from being an academic

To focusing on actually making things that work in people

And the big epiphany there was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders that publish in big journals and stuff

But that doesn't really lead to products

And I really wanted to make products that would help people

And so since then, for the last, I guess it's about 20 years

I've been focused on actually doing stuff, regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting the necessary training, et cetera completed a fellowship at Harvard University Medical School

I'm global as a global clinical scholar to round out my CV and I've run, you know, over 100 clinical trials

Mostly in the vaccine space

But also in drug repurposing I've been involved in every major outbreak since AIDS

This is kind of what I do

I've worn literally billions of dollars in federal grants and contracts. I'm often brought in by NIH to serve as a study section chair for awarding, you know, 80 to $120 million contracts in vaccines and biodefense

I've spent countless hours at the CDC at the ACP ACIP meetings

I have multiple friends at the CDC

I work closely with defense Threat Reduction Agency, which is A and it's one of my favorite clients partners teaming partners

And I work with the Kembai defense group

There's other branches

Including the other, this is not the branch that funded the Wuhan Labs

That's another branch of detra

I've got many friends in the intelligence community

So I'm I'm kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government

I'm kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government

I know Tony Fauci

Personally, I've dealt with him my whole career

And then

We had this particular outbreak and I was tip of the spear on bringing the Ebola vaccine forward that we now call the Merc Ebola vaccine

I'm I'm the one that got Merck involved

Joe Rogan

Now when the pandemic broke out previous to that, I mean you're you're kind of thought of as a heretic

Now in some strange way

And yeah, yeah, Pariah is probably a better word

And the fact that you've been banned from Twitter is it's

It's very confusing because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading all the things you've written and

I don't understand how it justifies a ban and I don't know what was the particular tweet

Did did they tell you what the particular tweet was or what the offense was that

Dr. Robert Malone

They never tell

Joe Rogan

You they never told you, they just tell anybody they removed you for not going along with whatever the tech narrative is

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, never

Joe Rogan

'cause tech clearly has a censorship agenda when it comes to COVID in terms of treatment in terms of the whether or not you are promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy

They can ban you for that

They can ban you for in their eyes what they think is a justifiable offense, and they're doing this

And I don't know who these people are that are doing this, but they're doing these

This one of the most important things about you reading out your history like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, thank you for that

I I think that that's so one way that some people put it is in

Of course, since this has happened, I've been contacted by multiple lawyers

That are looking at filing a suit

Just like Alex Berenson has won against Twitter

Come in and the point is made just what you just made

If so, the point that I, I think is kind of succinct on this is

If my voice if it if there's no merit to my voice being in the conversation, whether it's true or not, whether I'm factually correct or not, let's park that just for a minute

Whether or not I'm right in everything I say, and I freely admit no one is perfect

I'm not perfect

It's one of my core points

Is people should think for themselves and I try really hard to give people the information

And help them to think not to tell them what to think

OK

The point is, if if I'm not, if if it's not OK for me to be part of the conversation even though I'm pointing out scientific facts that may be inconvenient

Then who is who can be allowed?

And whether you're in the camp that says I'm a liar and I didn't invent this technology despite the patents

And there's a whole cohort of that

No one can debate that dispute that I played a major role in the creation of this tech and virtually all other voices that have that background

I have conflicts of interest, financial conflicts of interest

I think I'm the only one that doesn't

I'm not getting any

Money out of this

I think that it starts to touch on some fundamental constitutional principles about rights of free speech

I suspect that's kind of where you're going on

Joe Rogan

That well, most certainly, but also

How disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people like you get silenced and silenced in this platform?

Of social media where people are exchanging information they're posting up

Studies and you're you're discussing different parts of this pandemic that are in the news and what what the issues may lie in and where your background and your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained because of the the narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news and to watch you get

Silenced first of all, to watch you get ostracized

I've I've seen that I've seen people distance themselves from you

I've seen people

Call you a crazy person and criticize you, but with no specific thing to point to

It became like A tag they put on you like oh that guy

Like I I brought you up to someone and he goes

Oh that guy is crazy I go how so there was no answer

Yeah, it's like OK, so this is a thing you're going to just say someone is crazy when they say something that's inconvenient or say something that makes you uncomfortable because you've decided to accept a certain narrative

Did Twitter warn you, know, was there any tweets where they said that this is misleading?

Or anything no no

Do you have any idea what the final tweet was or what within context was?

Dr. Robert Malone

I think I do

I think I do, and there's no way to confirm it until the lawyers you know do their lawyering

Now I did have in the case of when I was banned from LinkedIn

Remember this happened

Joe Rogan

I wasn't aware of that

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, I was deep platform from LinkedIn many months ago and it was

There was actually two events of of deep platforming in LinkedIn, and in both cases I was able to get an explanation for what the specific crimes were

They thought crimes

And in the first one it was a tweet

A LinkedIn posting in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board of Thomson Reuters also sits on the board of Pfizer

And and I simply wrote is, does this look like a conflict of interest to you?

OK

And this gets to your core question about tech

It's not tech

It's it's the horizontal integration across all major industries now under the control of common funds

All of these industries, the the harmonization of the tech censorship, the interests of pharma, big media, et cetera and governments all being harmonized in their messaging

Globally, I mean I travel a lot

OK, I see the same and I have physicians coming to me all the time about what they're experiencing

The same playbook is going on every continent

But getting back to LinkedIn so

This is this is the first event and Steve Kirsch intervened

It called up a vice president, LinkedIn and

Joe Rogan

Steve Kirsch is a tech guy

Dr. Robert Malone

Right?

Yeah he is

He's a Silicon Valley entrepreneur who you may or may not recall that I was on the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse Podcast with Steve to kind of lit this whole fire up

Joe Rogan

Months and months, that's right

OK, that's where I first

Saw him OK

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, so so he he has great network connections in Silicon Valley

He invented the optical mouse

And so he he called this vice president LinkedIn

The guy looked into it

Meanwhile, people started dropping off of LinkedIn in protest and there was major press articles all over the world

And then they reinstated me and I actually got a very kind letter

This is unprecedented personal letter from this Vice president apologizing and saying in saying specifically that they didn't have the talent

To Fact Check me

And then therefore they were going to let me go

Now then subsequently I got dropped again

And phone call was made and they got put on

In that case the SYN was that some one of their fact checkers because remember this is Microsoft

One of their fact Checkers had identified the Atlantic Monthly article attack articles written about me and concluded that I was an antivaxxer and therefore I should not be allowed on LinkedIn

Now the context for that that's fascinating is that Atlantic monthly attack article that is often cited by my detractors

And it's a fascinating read

We could go down that rabbit hole, but no reason

It was written a few days after Peter Navarro and I came out with an Op Ed in The Washington Times in which we criticized Biden policy on vaccines and said that they should be reserved for those that need the most and not used universally

And we said some other things about the need of of testing and tools so that people can assess their true risk

It was a political retaliation intended to take me off the map as I was starting to interact more of a public policy sphere

Now with this this Twitter event

My wife and I were have wracked our brains about what was the what is likely to have been the tweet that triggered this, and you know, you never know

The last two that I can think of that went out was one that was on our sub stack in which we referred to a fantastic video that has been put out by the Canadian COVID Care clients group that summarizes all the malfeasance and data manipulation and misinterpretation associated with the Pfizer vaccines

And their clinical trials

It's a super video

And of course, that's I guess that is interpreted as something that would cause people to

Become vaccine hesitant

That's the sin in general

Is saying things that cause people to become vaccine hesitant?

The other thing that I put out immediately before that was a post a link

To a website for the World Economic Forum that lays out their entire strategy for how they manage media, how they're managing COVID-19, and all of their core messaging. It's a fascinating website with links

Those are the only two things I can think of that would meet the criteria

So you know my position all the way through

This comes off of the platform of bioethics and the importance of informed consent

So my position is that people should have the freedom to choice of choice, particularly for their children

And that in order to

To appropriately choose to participate in a medical experiment, they have to be fully informed of the risks

As well as the benefits

And so I've tried really hard to make sure that people have access to the information

About those risks and potential benefits, the true unfiltered academic papers and raw data, et cetera

And the policy that's being implemented is 1 in which no discussion of the risks are allowed

Because by definition they will elicit vaccine hesitancy

So it can't be discussed, but that's the fundamental background

That's the backbone of informed consent so informed consent is not only not happening, it's being actively blocked

That makes

Joe Rogan

Sense it does make sense, and it's unprecedented

I mean, I I can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss

Side effects of medication, whether or not the studies are accurate, whether or not people should universally take these things, or whether it should be done on a person by person basis

This is a

It's a very strange time, and so when someone who's an expert like yourself has

A dissenting opinion and you see that dissenting opinion immediately silenced or or at least immediately criticized

And then these attempts at silencing it

It just it just signifies how confusing and how troubled the times were in our

When COVID first hit when the lockdown started happening in March of 2020, what was your position on all this?

Dr. Robert Malone

So you're kind of asking my origin story with COVID

Joe Rogan

Yes, I mean were you initially?

Do you have?

Have you taken the COVID vaccine?

Dr. Robert Malone

So the answer is yes

I've also been infected twice

Joe Rogan

After you took it

Dr. Robert Malone

Once before I was infected at the end of February because I was attending a MIT Conference on Drug Discovery and artificial intelligence so

Joe Rogan

This is pre lockdown February 20

Dr. Robert Malone

But it goes back further than that

There's a CIA agent that I've Co published with in the past named Michael Callahan

He was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019. He called me from Wuhan on January 4th

I was currently managing a team that was focusing on drug discovery for organophosphate poisoning, ergo nerve agents

For Ditra defense, Threat Reduction agency involving high, high performing computing and bio robot screening, high end stuff, and he told me Robert, you got to get your team spun up because we got a problem with this new virus

I've worked with him through prayer outbreaks

So it was then that I turned my attention to this

Started modeling

A key protein, a protease inhibitor

Of this virus, when the sequence was released on January 11th as the Wuhan seafood market virus

And I've been pretty much going on stop ever since

Up to that point with with drug repurposing

So I'm the one that originally discovered Thermodyne is an agent

Because I was self treating myself after I got infected with agents that we did identified through the computer modeling

Joe Rogan

So February of 2020 you get infected and how bad is your case?

Dr. Robert Malone

Bad I thought I was going to die

Gotta remember, I was up up up on all the latest information from China and everywhere else

I knew all about this virus

I knew, you know I

I've been watching the videos of people dropping in the street

My lungs were burning

Until I took Famotidine in that relieved

Joe Rogan

That and what is?

Dr. Robert Malone

So otherwise known as Pepcid

So just to on this tangent, since I've said it, I've got some good news to announce

First time here. Today. We believe we should have the first patient enrolled in our clinical trials of the combination of modding and celecoxib for treating SARS, Co V2. This is trials being run by the company lighthouse, which is one of my clients

That I've helped design

It's based on my discoveries

They're funded by defense Threat Reduction Agency

So this is another drug combination

Now I work with all these folks like Peter and Peter

That I know you

Know Peter McCollum, yeah?

Joe Rogan

Call on fear Corey

Dr. Robert Malone

But I haven't pushed this drug combination

I've just felt it was inappropriate until we got the trials running, but they're now open and we've passed through the FDA screening process

By the way, we tried to get we had data showing that adding ivorra mekton

Further improve the combination

But the FDA created such enormous roadblocks to us doing an Ivar Mac norm that we had to drop it

And by we, what I'm saying is the FDA created so much grief that the DoD decided it

The juice wasn't worth the squeeze and they just

Dropped that arm

Joe Rogan

Why do you think that is?

What do you think is going on with the the the?

Push back on Ivar Mac 10

Dr. Robert Malone

So it's not just Ivar Mac 10, it's hydroxychloroquine and just to put a marker on that, there's good modeling studies that probably half a million excess deaths have happened in the United States through the intentional blockade

Of early treatment by the US government

That is

Joe Rogan

Half a million

Dr. Robert Malone

Half a million

That is a well documented number

OK, and it's a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and IBM nectin. Now when you ask me why you're asking me to get into somebody's head

What I can say is a scientist is what I observe

The behaviors, the actions, the correspondence, these bizarre things like you know, don't you know it's a horse drug, y'all?

Right, which is amazingly pejorative

I live in Virginia, OK, I can tell you the people around me

I live in a rural county and I raise horses

That was deeply offensive

To use that language in that way

Hum, but there's clearly been an intentional push

And Zelenko, who's a buddy?

The guy that came out with the original protocol was like, oh, protocol and was the one by the way

That wrote the letter

To Trump advocating for hydroxychloroquine

OK, kind of important to put that together

He's put together a great little video clip in which he clearly documents the conspiracy between Janet Woodcock and Rick Bright to make it so that physicians could not administer hydroxychloroquine

Outside of the

Joe Rogan

Hospital and who?

Who is Janet Woodcock and who's Rick Bright?

Dr. Robert Malone

Rick Bright was the head of Barda of Barda, the Biomedical Advanced Research director, which is the group that, for instance, funded the J&J vaccine and Operation, Warp speed, etc

So they're the big ticket funder in Health and Human service of of by defense products

Joe Rogan

And who is she, Jeff?

Dr. Robert Malone

Janet Woodcock was head of Operation Warp speed for drugs and until very recently head of the FDA

She is known as the person who kind of gets the

I'm credit, let's say for the opioid crisis, for her role at the FDA

Joe Rogan

So between the two of them was there was some sort of a concerted effort to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine

Dr. Robert Malone

Rick Brighting in videotaped testimony has explicitly spoken about how they conspired

To cook on a strategy

Using emergency use authorization to make it so that hydroxychloroquine could only be administered in the hospital, which, by the way, is too late for when hydroxy should be used

Joe Rogan

And why do they do?

Dr. Robert Malone

That is, what is the unknown and and there is so many whys and hows behind this

I like to say there's a stack of stuff that doesn't make sense

It's about this high

Now there is. I can't prove I can't get into Rick's head. I know Rick quite well

I don't know what he's currently working for, the Rockefeller

He did a whistleblower case and then he left the government but

All I know is they did this

And Rick admits on it on videotape that he did it

And he states that the reason was is that he believed there was no evidence of hydroxychloroquine being useful

For this virus, now that's false

Hydroxychloroquine was known to be effective against SARS, one

Joe Rogan

That wasn't that regular chloroquine

Dr. Robert Malone

Hydroxy hydroxy hydroxychloroquine are closely related molecules

Joe Rogan

Same thing

Dr. Robert Malone

Hydroxy is slightly less toxic by the way, one of the nice things we had actually filed in during Zika

I did a lot of drug repurposing and I filed patents on the use of hydroxy in Zika

One of the reasons is because hydroxy is one of the few molecules that have antiviral activity

They're safe in pregnancy

And you remember Zika was a pregnancy issue

So hydroxy's been out there for a long time as having viral antiviral effects

And the other part of Avrich story that kind of doesn't make sense that there was no data on efficacy

Is that I was the guy that first acquired because I had Chinese connections

The Chinese Protocol for treating this virus

I got it in late February and I sent it in to my buddies at the CIA and at the ASPOR at the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and response so the government had those documents

When Rick Bright made those determinations, so the assertion that there was no data on hydroxychloroquine at the time when this decision was made is just patently false

It's there, So what is the motivation?

You're right what this none of this makes sense on the only thing you know this is a

This is journalist problem

And you know the classic guidance is full of money

Yeah, and so

It it it is bizarre

That Merck would come out

With these explicit statements about the safety of ivermectin

Both Ivar Mac 10 and hydroxy are on the list of essential medicines they have been administered for millions and millions of doses

They're among the safest medicines we know when administered within the acceptable window pharmaceutical window

They, the Ivar Mac 10, is even safer than hydroxy

So Merc coming out out of the blue and saying I ever met in isn't safe

Is really inexplicable

Now another thing is that I sit on the active Committee for drugs as an observer

What is the active committee?

This is the NIH committee that's guiding the clinical trials for these various repurposed and novel drugs

I saw

Listen to heard

The representative of Merck

That's on the committee because the committee is full of pharmaceutical representatives, even though it's an NIH public committee

Explicitly attack the decision for the federal government to test Iver Mekton

She said there's no reason to do this now

What's happened since then is is active sticks is still testing Iver Mekton and they've had to go to a higher dose because, as we pointed out, essentially their initial trial design was designed to fail

It was a short course with an adequate levels of drug

And so now they've upped it to. I think it's five days and 600 micrograms per kig. That's the current dosing and active 6 but there is clearly a concerted effort on the part of multiple players in the Pharmaceutical industry in concordance with the federal government to kill ivory Mekton as a potential

Alternative early treatment strategy

Joe Rogan

And if you are going to follow the money, the problem is there's not a lot of never mekton because it is a generic drug and any compound pharmacy can make it, and it's fairly cheap

Dr. Robert Malone

It's fairly cheap because it's easy to make in

You know, we you can get ivorra mekton

At you know at in bulk at less than a penny, a dose

Joe Rogan

Wow, so the original SARS was is is it 90% similar to SARS, Co?

Dr. Robert Malone

V2, it's that those terms 90 or 96 or 98, it's those are really not they're they're kind of

You know that you can have something that's 99.9% similar and the difference is all the difference

Joe Rogan

But if chloroquine worked on the original SARS or it showed efficacy and original SARS, is it safe to assume like without adequate tests, that hydroxychloroquine would work on?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's the decision that was made by the Chinese

Government, OK, that's my point

I got the original Chinese protocols

This is what they

Joe Rogan

Were using and they were using it effectively

Yeah yeah, so were they using ivomec known as well?

No no, but other countries have like Japan and India and

Dr. Robert Malone

Judar Pradesh, as you know has crushed COVID

Joe Rogan

Yeah two, could you explain what they did to do that?

Because it's

Kind of fascinated

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's not clear

What are the drugs?

So what they did do what we do know and there there's some back story to this that we could go into if you want to

But the observation is, there was a decision made

The virus was just ripping through it or Pradesh

It has almost the same population in the United States, it's huge, OK, dense, urban

Poor all the characteristics of the stereotypes of the Indian countryside

And the virus is just ripping through there

And causing all kinds of death and disease

And the decision was made out of desperation in that province to deploy early treatments as packages widely throughout the province

And it included a number of agents

The composition has not been formally disclosed

It was done in coordination with the United with WHO?

And whatever was in those packages

Was rumored to include fiber mekton

But there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi

And, uh, a decision was made in the Indian government not to disclose the contents of those packages that were being deployed in Uttar Pradesh, which they're still there and Uttar Pradesh is flatlined right now

The rest of the world is yelling about Omicron and and in hospitalizations while South Africa isn't

But Uttar Pradesh is still flat line in terms of

Joe Rogan

Deaths, so they were visited by someone in the bided administrations at recently

Dr. Robert Malone

Right now there's a meeting between Joe Biden and and Modi

Joe Rogan

And you believe that out of that meeting, they decided?

Dr. Robert Malone

All I know

I don't know what they said

I didn't wasn't invited

All I know is that immediately afterwards there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed into depression

Joe Rogan

It's so crazy to imagine that in the middle of a pandemic, there's one place, one area of India that's extremely successful in combating the virus, and they're not going to say how they did it

I mean, that's that's nuts

Dr. Robert Malone

You know, so that's that's where I kind of

My stance in all of this

Is to say here are the facts

Here are the verifiable data

Draw your own conclusion

Joe Rogan

Now February of 2020, you catch it. What did you take?

Dr. Robert Malone

From auditing

Joe Rogan

From auditing and anything else

Dr. Robert Malone

No, there's nothing else available

Joe Rogan

So this was so early on in the pandemic, how did they did?

Did you wind up being hospitalized?

Dr. Robert Malone

I did have

I did develop long COVID

And people always I always get the why did you take the vaccine?

Well, I took it fairly early on

I took Moderna because that's what the National Guard was deploying in my very rural county in basically central Northern Virginia

Joe Rogan

Isn't there some evidence that the vaccine actually helps people with long COVID?

Dr. Robert Malone

That was the that was the rumor

At the time

That was then that was I took it for two reasons

I had long COVID it was supposed to help with that, and I knew I was going to have to travel internationally to France and Portugal in the near future

Joe Rogan

Now, is there any evidence that the vaccine helps against long COVID?

Or is it totally is there anything?

Dr. Robert Malone

Anecdotally, there was

And I have not seen a peer reviewed solid publication or or preprint

That supports that now, but that was the active rumor at the time

And since then, what we do know?

For sure well documented

If you've got prior COVID and natural immunity, you you have a higher risk of adverse events from the jab

Now the other part of my story that often gets overlooked, so I took two doses of Moderna

With the second dose I developed

Stage 3 hypertension

With systolic blood pressure of up to 2:30, OK, I'm lucky to be alive

You know what it means is I've had a stress test of my aorta and my cerebral vascular system, and I didn't have a stroke and I didn't tear my or old shreds

But it's a good thing I had

I had irregularities of heartbeat

Credible hypertension

Pots syndrome narcolepsy

Restless leg syndrome

These are all known side effects that are associated with the vaccine

They're relatively less frequent than the myocarditis in the children and male children in particular

But they're all known on the list of adverse events, and it's very clear that people that have natural immunity

Have a much higher risk factor

For this whole spectrum of adverse events, but even to get jabbed

Joe Rogan

If they

Even though that's known there's so many people out there telling people who've just recovered from COVID to get vaccinated

Dr. Robert Malone

It is

There is a number of things here

Are not supported by the science. I'll say gently to be less jentzen's gentle since we're on the Joe Rogan show, I can speak freely it's nucking futz

This is just wrong

It's not consistent with the data

Joe Rogan

Well, it's it doesn't make sense either. What we know about natural immunity is that natural immunity, at least according to that study in Israel, which is like what 2.5 million people I think

They said that it's between 6 and 13 times more effective than the vaccine

Dr. Robert Malone

That is 6 or 13 times more effective in hospitalized, preventing hospitalized COVID

It's more like 20 or more fold. Yeah 27 fold better at protecting against developing the disease. Remember infection?

Joe Rogan

27

Dr. Robert Malone

Does not equal disease

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

And that's only one of over 140 studies

That document that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine induced immunity and oh, by the way, as a vaccine knowledge synonym oenologist

I wouldn't expect anything different

Joe Rogan

But the CDC recently disputed this, didn't they?

Dr. Robert Malone

The IT was a fascinating of play, so the CDC, for most of us that are at all objective in the science world, look at what's going on at the CDC aghast mean

The CDC is just compromised

What they did with that was a very small study with intrinsic bias all over the place, much much smaller than the Israeli study that you're citing, much less rigorous, less statistical power, and they pushed that out as as their

Justification for their position concerning natural immunity, but here it is

Joe Rogan

And who funded that?

Who funded that study?

Dr. Robert Malone

CDC would be the

Joe Rogan

Federal government so they funded this study

They did it themselves

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, it's a CD system

Joe Rogan

And do you do you believe they did it with the intent of coming to the conclusion?

Dr. Robert Malone

You're asking me to apply intent, and I've had too much time with lawyers, and I'm not going

To do it good for you

Joe Rogan

So either way, there's many, many, many studies that point to the fact that natural immunity is superior

Absolutely, having recovered from COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

Like over 140

Joe Rogan

And also multiple studies that show that people who have had COVID who get vaccinated after the fact have a higher risk

I think it's between 2:00

And four fold

Dr. Robert Malone

Right here on top of the

Joe Rogan

Data two and four fold risk of adverse side

Effects increased risk

Yeah, it increased risk

So for you you did not know this when you got vaccinated

What was your thoughts?

I mean, since this was a technology that you were a pivotal part of the creation of, and so you're getting this vaccine, you probably were thinking

Look at this

All my hard work come to fruition

It's going to protect me from the virus

Dr. Robert Malone

Actually said to the nurse when I took the first jab, I bragged a little bit

I usually don't

I'm usually, you know, keep it on the down low

I don't like to wear it on my shoulder, but I did say, you know, I I

Invented this tech

She's like, oh, that's really cool

Can I take a selfie?

Joe Rogan

But she asked for it before she shot into you

Dr. Robert Malone

I have that whole aspiration thing

Yeah, I'm sure she did

Yeah, yeah, she's a well trained

Joe Rogan

Nurse when you say that whole aspiration thing

Dr. Robert Malone

8 any skilled medical practitioner when I inject my horses right I I breed Lusitano horses

I've got 20 on the farm

OK I give him drugs all the time

I always aspirate

Joe Rogan

But I saw the shot where Joe Biden got it on TV and they didn't aspirate him

They just

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't know, I don't know

To say

Joe Rogan

I'll tell you what to say

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, so so yeah, and was that really a vaccine?

Joe Rogan

That's not the way to do it

Dr. Robert Malone

And then we go

Down that whole rabbit hole

Joe Rogan

Yes, that's my favorite rabbit hole

'cause the fake set remember?

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, so you know there is there

OK, so you know Joe, you're in media

Joe Rogan

I guess

Dr. Robert Malone

What what?

We're what we're experiencing is a coordinated media warfare, the level of which we have never seen before, and I in my peers who are experienced in multiple outbreaks, have never seen this level of coordinated propaganda

Joe Rogan

This because there's never been an outbreak that coincided with the use of social media, because there really hasn't been

I mean at H1N1 was was it 2009 that that broke out?

Dr. Robert Malone

I was pretty active through Zika

Joe Rogan

But OK, and that was

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't remember the years, but I was on LinkedIn and Twitter all the time

Joe Rogan

The thing about what's going on now, it's there's a heightened aspect in in terms of like it's the influence on society that social media has

That is, it's it's stronger now than it was two years ago

It's stronger two years ago than it was two years before, it's ramping up exponentially in some sort of a strange way that's affecting society

And then the censorship aspect of it, which is kicked in

And as you said that that they're stepping in line with tech doing it with the pharmaceutical companies doing it with the government

They're all sort of on the same page when it comes to the messaging

Dr. Robert Malone

Yes, so now you're now you're going to the next level of you know WTF?

How to how to open that can of worms?

First off, you don't see

You're aware of the trusted news initiative

Joe Rogan

Can you explain it?

To people, yes

Dr. Robert Malone

There the BBC announced to the world last fall

That this organization that they had led the development of which ties together big tech and big media

In service of the government

End was built expressly for the purpose of protecting the democratic voting system that you know, smalti the democracy

And in voting integrity from undue influence from hostile offshore players through media information campaigns

Which you'll recall was the claim that was made against Russia, and so this was the response of the Western nations

To to build this new structure called the Trusted News initiative

That would survey

All information

About elections

And prevent the intrusion of foreign information into the democratic process and creation of undue influence by foreign actors

Shortly after it was created, it was there was an awareness in the Pharmaceutical industry

That this could be used to address a a particular devil challenge that they had, which was the pejorative label anti vaxxers

That's also been deployed against climate skeptics

OK, so anti vaxxers you'll recall is the the label that is used to to basically take anybody out

That is, raising any concerns about vaccine safety

It's it's the pejorative that's applied, and it's makes it really easy for the media to basically take off the table

Anybody that's saying something that is contrary to the interests of the really the vaccine industry

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

So there was a decision that this same toolkit, this same integrated

Media and high tech

Organization led by the BBC would be pivoted to resisting vaccine, misinformation, and disinformation

And they put out a proud press announcement last fall that this was what they were going to do, and they defined these things, misinformation and disinformation as anything which was going to lead to vaccine hesitancy and which was contrary to the official statements

Of the World Health Organization or their respective National Health organizations

So if CDC says the world is flat

Then the world is flat

And there will be no discussion about whether or not the world is flat

I'm using, obviously

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

A simplified silly example

So whatever the CDC or Tony Fauci or Tedros etc says is truth by definition, and any any information or discussion which is contrary to that truth will be suppressed, it will be deleted

And those people will that are expressing these opinions that would lead to vaccine hesitancy, which to some eyes would be informed consent

And and decisions by an individual that they believe the risk benefit ratio doesn't matter doesn't make sense to them that will

That information will not be allowed and those people that are spreading that information will not be allowed to interact in the public sphere in social media

OK, so that's this kind of if you want to

Unpack this whole thing

It starts by understanding the trusted news initiative and we've got great links about that that have been put out explanatory and links

For instance, I put out a sub stack recently that talks about the trusted news initiative in the censorship in which I linked to both the BBC's Trusted News Initiative website. So you can see what they have to say

And a video that describes the trusted news initiative from my point of view, as somebody that's been on the receiving end of the trusted news initiative

Now that's the starting point

But it doesn't explain the global coordination because Tni is mostly Western

And it doesn't cover a lot of the other

You know Latin America, for instance

Or Spain

It's real

The only way that I can understand

How all of this messaging censorship?

You know, deep platforming

You know what?

What it really is is canceling

And Bobby Kennedy makes the point that the 1st

Real example of cancel culture that we can track

Is Tony Fauci cancelling the esteemed virologist Peter Duesberg?

Because he was raising questions about

The origin of HIV and its role in the disease called called AIDS

I remember when that happened, I was

A young man

Joe Rogan

I had Pittsburgh on my podcast a long time ago and it was the first time I ever got like extreme pushback from people that were like

I mean, this is after protease inhibitors had been used, so it didn't even make sense and people were saying, yeah, blood on your hands

People are going to die because of this podcast, and I'm like what are you saying like this is a guy who is a biologist, university University of California, Berkeley?

Well professor, yeah I mean brilliant guy and

Dr. Robert Malone

Recruited yeah, totally one of the best virologists of his generation

Full stop

Joe Rogan

And very controversial opinions. But the only way to find out if someone's controversial opinions are valid is to ask questions and talk to them and let them express themselves. And then I wanted to have someone come on and debate him

I could not find anyone willing to

Dr. Robert Malone

Do it though. It's this is covered in detail in Bobby Kennedy's book about Tony Fauci. It's one of the great case studies

Now we have a more recent example of this cancel culture as it's played by NIH and by Tony

In the emails that came out recently, when you have Cliff Lane, Tony Fauci and the director of the NIH, Francis Collins

Yeah, basically coming out and saying that they're going to ridicule and destroy

Fringe epidemiologists

And what was their sin?

These fringe epidemiologists, that that warranted a concerted effort on the part of the federal government to destroy them

Their sin was raising questions about the effectiveness of vaccine lockdowns

OK, and who were these fringe epidemiologists as stated by Francis Collins?

Who by the way has no background in epidemiology or public health?

OK, he's a sequencing guy

That's his claim to fame as the Human Genome Project and the cystic Fibrosis transmembrane regulatory protein

He has no background in immunology, no background or vaccinology, no training in public health

But who are these three fringe epidemiologists?

Well, they happen to be full professors from obscure universities, Oxford, Harvard, and Stanford

OK

Joe Rogan

And they were warning about lockdowns they

Dr. Robert Malone

Were warning about lockdowns in the Great Barrington Declaration

That's what prompted that list

Joe Rogan

Could you explain the Great Barrington Declaration?

Dr. Robert Malone

So these three esteemed high profile academic epidemiologists came together and said and did an analysis, comprehensive analysis about everything that was known about lockdowns and their impacts during infectious disease outbreaks

And they came out with a specific statement

You can find it in the web

Look up great Barrington Declaration and they came out with a specific statement that these lockdowns were going to cause more harm than help

Which was contrary to the messaging that was being putting put out by Tony

And so Tony decided that they had to be destroyed

And then you had Francis Collins

Recently coming on Fox News, after these emails were foied and brought out into the open

In saying that, if we had followed their advice, millions of people would have died

This is the this is the fall back

Anytime you criticize these guys what they say is oh, you're killing people

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Dr. Robert Malone

I mean they do it to me too

Joe Rogan

If they had just done what Sweden had done and some other countries where they did institute lockdowns and they sort of let people just live their lives and make their own choices

They were saying that millions of people

Dr. Robert Malone

Have died, but so it would be so it

Joe Rogan

Seems but time has shown that Sweden actually had a more effective take

On the virus, I mean it was highly criticized in the beginning

People were really concerned that they weren't taking it seriously enough, and then there was also some

Concerned that it was and you couldn't compare

They weren't comparable because the way Sweden is

It's like small towns and they're separated from each other

It's not a high density situation like New York or Los Angeles or Chicago

But overall, in time we've seen that this vest vest

Respiratory disease spreads, period

No matter what it just, it seems to make its way to people, no matter where you are and what it's done in that country is

It's kind of burned through the population and their mortality rate is lower than most places

Their infection rate is lower than most places

And it didn't do the devastating economic damage and the devastating damage to children that were forced to isolate and not be with their friends and not go to school and not socialize

Dr. Robert Malone

So here's an even more fun one

OK

That's it, just cuts right to it

You know the the pejorative these days is the country's name is actually fizz real?

It's no longer Israel

The Israeli people are very compliant with their government

And the government has a financial deal with Pfizer, obviously

OK, and they only have Pfizer vaccine

And they're now on jab #4

There's a natural experiment that's occurring in the Palestinian territory in the surrounding states

Those surrounding states in the Palestinian territory does not have that level of vaccine uptake at all

The mortality in the surrounding states in the Palestinian Authority is substantially less

From this virus than the mortality in Israel

Joe Rogan

Now is that

Is is it factored by age?

Is it like what is so is there any?

Dr. Robert Malone

What's your?

Joe Rogan

What are the variables?

Dr. Robert Malone

Good question and

And this this is akin to this mystery mystery story of what's going on in central Africa

In the malaria belt

Where you have really low levels of mortality

And what you're what you're hitting on?

Appropriately, you're getting right to the core of the issue is confounding variables, and in general the the Israeli population is a little bit older than the Palestinian territory on average, so that's a lower risk

Neither one of them are associated with high rates of mortality of morbidity

Of obesity

And so that variable seems to be out that maybe one of the major variables in Africa is that in that malaria belt people generally aren't fat

They happen to also be taking over Magdin and hydroxychloroquine for the indigenous parasites that they have to deal with

So a lot of people were saying, well, that must prove that hydroxy and diver mekton protect

Well, not so as you point out, there's a lot of moving parts here, and so This is why you know, I'm glad you didn't ask me

Well, why is that Robert?

Because I would have said I can't say because there's too many confounding variables

However, it is a fascinating observation that we have this intensively vaccinated code

That is happening

Joe Rogan

And that's also something that's happening to people with COVID as

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, correct, I've experienced it myself

OK, when I had when I wasn't sick and not only brain fog

You can remember the broadcaster cummo when he had COVID he was talking about seeing hallucinations

That is, that is a common consequence of primary COVID infection is not just brain fog, but overt hallucinations

Joe Rogan

Now after the vaccines started to be administered, it was a couple months later

I believe that the Salk Institute published their paper on spike proteins

Dr. Robert Malone

Right, and I cited that in the Brett Dark Brett Weinstein Dark Horse Podcast and was immediately attacked by Reuters

For spreading disinformation, because I was speaking that the spike protein was a toxin and there's actually that's one of many papers that have come out since then

Or before

And I didn't say the spike protein on the vaccine

I said the spike protein and Reuters basically took my words, twisted them and then

Attacked me about

Joe Rogan

It is the spike protein in the vaccine different than the spike protein in the virus

Dr. Robert Malone

The answer is yes in a way that matters is the question

So the difference is now we're going to get into molecular virology

I'm sorry, but you asked the question

So Spike kind of you can think of it as having a stem part and a head group

Joe Rogan

Point your tie if you like

Dr. Robert Malone

Uh, yeah, right

There's these things sticking out here but but I wanted to illustrate that it also has this little

It's like catcher's glove that sits on top

That is the receptor binding domain

OK, so it's got these these elements that are really important to understand it

And this

This part of the spike protein that is kind of straight and thin

The stalk

Is responsible for the business part of what Spike does spike causes fusion between the virus and the cell

It's what enables the virus to infect the cell

And it's a complex set of events and it changes its structure as it goes through those

It's fascinating stuff if you're into those, OK

You can lock it into the pre fusion confirmation

You can make it so that it will not trigger cell fusion after binding with two little tiny mutations substituting proline

In the S2 domain

And that'll make it so that it can never trigger fusion, which is one of the things that it can do to bake toxicity that has nothing to do with whether or not it combined ACE two up here

Whether or not that catchers Mitt will grab on days too, by the way, spike exists as a trimmer, like a trouble folk, you know, on a on a fishing lure

So these two mutations are in this S2 domain. That's kind of the stem

And it makes it so that it can't fuse

And that's what's in the vaccine

But the rest of the spike is the natural spike

And yes, it does get cut off and it does go in the circulation

That's all been proven, and So what matters about that is all the things I've been talking about about Spike interacting with ACE two and turning on ACE 2

That can all still happen under that's changed

One of the attacks that's made against my staying

This is Oh no

They engineered spike so that it's non toxic

OK that fails two tests

Number one at the time they did this engineering I've I've carefully reviewed the papers

OK, it's all about making it more immunogenic

There is nothing in there about making it less toxic

OK, and

By definition, it will make it less toxic as a fusion fusion protein, but it won't do anything about it

The other parts of of spike and its activities

Then then there is this fundamental logic flaw

In in clinical development and non clinical development and safety and pharmacology

I like to say the French judicial system applies

What that is, is you're guilty until proven innocent

It's the job of the pharmaceutical companies to prove that their engineered spike is safe

They never did that

And so all of this

Pressure that comes back

You know from folks like me saying, hey, this isn't right

OK, and it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck

It's probably toxic because it's the common variable I get criticized because Oh well, you know

Well, prove that it's not safe

I'm sorry that's not the way it works

It's farmers job to prove that it is safe, not my job

To prove that it's not safe

I'm observing this safety signal

The safety signal is there, it is associated with

Vectors that express spike, whether it's the vaccine, the virus or the adeno virus

You know the M RNA, the virus, the virus itself, or the adenoviral vectored spike

Those toxicities are there

And the common variable is the spike protein, so you know and then then the comp comment

Well, it's not a toxin like I'm kind of in the Forrest Gump School of Toxicity

You know if it causes toxicity, it is right

It is a toxin, by definition it is, you know

The toxin is as a toxin does

You know we can argue about the meaning of toxin just like so much of the rest of our language has been perverted during this, but a simple explanation

You know, the simple definition is, does it cause toxicity in people?

I think the answer is pretty clear now

It does the question

They were all arguing about is how often and how

Joe Rogan

Bad. This is the question

So why do so many people take the vaccine and have no adverse effect at all?

Dr. Robert Malone

Great question, and that is a normal situation in any drug

We talked about Bell curves

There's a response curve

Humans are genetically complex and their phenotypic complex

I am not a judicial judicial, judicial, judicial

Joe Rogan

Choo Choo

Dr. Robert Malone

Champion right?

I am not the same body mass index as I was when I was 25

It seems that

The common factor across many people that get both the vaccine adverse events and the disease, and by the way, is a great paper out

That tried to dissect long COVID

And differentiate it from post vaccination syndrome, which is what we're talking about

And they did statistical analysis

Large cohort of patients

Basically they're indistinguishable

Long COVID and post vaccination syndrome in terms of the spectrum of the syndrome, their incidence kind of stuff

They're indistinguishable

Do the same thing

So why one of the factors that seems to be common?

Is this kind of hyper glycemic index?

People that are not necessarily diabetic, but they may be prediabetic or they have problems with carbohydrate metabolism or their eating

Too many sugars or whatever The thing is so they've got elevated hemoglobin, H1C etc. People that have high glycemic index indices seem to be particularly susceptible to these effects

Now that is a syndrome associated with an inflammatory state in blood vessels

You know this

What you're asking again and again because you are who you are, is in plain language

The big you know picture issues that are sitting out there that haven't been adequately addressed now

Joe Rogan

Not only haven't been adequately addressed, but when you do address them, you get demonized, even if you're just asking questions

As far as like what are the numbers, what is the data?

Where can I see this data?

Dr. Robert Malone

If you're an academic, you get run out

Yeah no, no

We've talked I I don't want to avoid

You talked about some of the other adverse events and you started talking about

The ones that relate to immune response, yes, and that is the the tip of the iceberg that most people are familiar with is the common CDC never talks about it, but it's clearly there in the literature

You know, in places even New England Journal of Medicine

It's clearly there in the various database

Is latent virus reactivation and the most obvious one is shingles

I mean, if you get shingles, I've had shingles

It hurts that you you don't

You don't miss it

When you get it

Epstein Barr virus, other herpes viruses, cytomegalovirus

What are these all in common?

Their DNA latent DNA, viruses OK so So what?

Latent DNA viruses

Well, we have a bunch of DNA viruses that basically hide inside our body

And they are kept suppressed

Matter of fact, there's a whole thread in vaccinology

We talk about immunosenescence, the aging of the immune system

Part of that has to do with the thymus and it's shrinking

That's what educates T cells by the way, that's one of the reasons why children basically shrugged this disease off

'cause they haven't had that fimic in evolution, but one of the things that happens is your T cells become increasingly focused on suppressing the DNA viruses that we've all been parasitized by

Like cytomegalovirus and so you can watch over time the the diversity of T cells in persons body who's infected by CMV over time as they get older and older their T cells get more and more and more focused on just trying to keep CMV in the box and not let it out

OK, so when we see DNA viruses you know Pandora's box is opening and they're jumping out of there

OK, well the thing that's keeps Pandora's box closed is T cell responses

And then we have, you know, I hope someday you get a

Chance to have Ryan Cole on

Pathologist deep understanding of this

As he points out, he's seeing

Referrals from oncologists

Of cancers that are unusual

They're occurring early

They're behaving irregularly

They're behaving very aggressively now

Right now this is still anecdotal

I don't want to get the audience all wound up, all going to die of cancer

Doctor Malone is not saying we're all going to die of cancer, OK, but

This is another of those little OHS

Because the thing that keeps cancer suppressed is T cells

Then we have the laboratory data that we're seeing abnormalities in the key signaling molecules that that T cells used to talk to each other to like receptors

That are associated in particular with the M RNA vaccines

So something is happening

OK that is causing release of T cell suppression

Reactivation of latent DNA viruses, maybe some signals relating to oncology

Some changes in T cell signaling behavior

And then there's this, this increasing awareness that there's some window of time

Not sure how long after vaccination when you're actually more susceptible to infection

And this may have something to do

So not only is the vaccine efficacy waning

But the multiple jab strategy is actually creating more and more windows where people have this period of T cell suppression

So there's a whole lot in this box of immunology, and what are the jabs doing to our immune system and how long does it last?

That is, let's say, gently, a little worrisome to some of us that have a background

Joe Rogan

In these things, this T cell suppression are

Are there any studies on the amount of time?

That it takes before your your system rebalances itself post jab, and seeing is it accumulative?

Like if you're dealing with three shots or four shots?

Dr. Robert Malone

That's this is this is the I'm sorry this is the obscenity

For me of this whole well, we're going to give four shots because we don't really know when we know we need to do something

I like to talk about the metaphor as a father

I don't know if you've had kids, I'm a grandfather

OK, you give a 3 year old a hammer and everything becomes

A nail

Yeah, OK, that's that's kind of a simple way of saying

People that aren't well trained given a powerful technology or tool will abuse it and overuse it

In this case, there's multiple reasons not to do the multiple jabs

The simplest one for everybody to understand is when your son develops seasonal allergies to ragweed pollen or whatever

And it's so bad that he can't go to school

His eyes are running

He can't play in sports whatever you're like, oh we gotta do something about this I'm gonna take him to rheumatologist allergist

And see what they can do

They do a bunch of tests and they say, oh, your son is allergic to ragweed pollen or whatever

The thing is, OK, what do they do?

Well they give him

What are those shots?

They're high doses of antigen

That are administered repeatedly to your child

And what it does is induces something that is immunologist

We call high zone tolerance

Hi, zone tolerance basically amounts to an ability by giving multiple injections at high levels of antigen to shut down T cells

Against in an antigen specific fashion

So there's that

The other thing with the multiple jabs is that these are multiple jabs that are mismatched

OK, they don't fit the current, yeah?

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you for a second before you continue?

So you're saying that by if, like if someone is allergic to things and they go to an allergist and they start getting shots, those shots shut down T cell response, correct?

So those shots by doing so and shutting down T cell response

The idea is that it kicks your immune system in and it's supposed to fight off these things

Does it make you more vulnerable to other diseases?

Dr. Robert Malone

They because they're using that antigen, OK, the ragweed pollen?

Joe Rogan

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's causing deletion or downregulation of the team memory population responsible for responding to ragweed pollen

So what it's doing is selectively shutting down

The T response against that antigen

Joe Rogan

And but what about everything else?

Dr. Robert Malone

No, generally not

Joe Rogan

It won't affect it, no?

Dr. Robert Malone

I won't say it won't affect it, but it the effect on the overall immune response is negligible in that this is done clinically routinely

OK, so there's there's those two things

There's this short term issue we don't know how long it lasts

There's the

The high zone tolerance issue

And then there is with their multiple jabs that are mismatched for the current circulating virus

That's akin to repeatedly taking a flu vaccine from two seasons ago and hoping it's gonna protect against this

Joe Rogan

Flu, well, that's one of the most confusing things about this push for people to get boosted now

With Omicron 'cause they keep saying with Omicron, we need to get, but that's a vaccine escape variant, isn't it?

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, among other things, so that if when you want to open that can of Omicron

Joe Rogan

Well, I want to say what we know so far is at least Peter McCullough said this and I believe several other people have said this as well, that the immunity that you may have had to the alpha variant or the delta variant

It does not seem to work very well against Omicron

That's true

Nor does the immunity imparted by vaccines

Dr. Robert Malone

By the way, since we're we're down, this little rabbit hole

Let me just say one thing Peter called me and he said Robert make sure you talk to Joe

And make it clear that although I spoke clearly and forcefully

About one and done when I was on his show that was before Omicron

Yeah, and so Peter wanted me to make sure that your audience

Knew no yes

Joe Rogan

Oh yes, we we've actually talked about that because I have several friends right now that have tested positive for COVID for a second time and that is post that podcast with him

He was pretty sure that if you got delta you would never get it again, but I know people that have had not I

Honestly I don't know anybody who had delta, which was the last

Phase I know people who had the original version of COVID who have now gotten Omicron

Dr. Robert Malone

In my case, I had the original Wuhan strain and I got infected with Delta and I had disease for about 3 days and that's after taking to the two jabs wow

So so yeah

Joe Rogan

And then how far after taking the two jobs, was it?

Dr. Robert Malone

About four months

Joe Rogan

Four months, yeah, four months

So that's still inside the window of efficacy

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, that window of efficacy seems to keep shrinking

Joe Rogan

Yeah, well

Dr. Robert Malone

So that's another thing

Joe Rogan

You say you're infected by COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, like nine months like yeah

Joe Rogan

Early on February, nine months, OK, but you still had a horrible reaction

Dr. Robert Malone

To it totally

Joe Rogan

And then even that

This is pure speculation

The waning efficacy of the vaccine

Does that have an effect on your natural immunity?

The natural immunity that you've had?

Dr. Robert Malone

So you're now opening up the big big

Can a whip pass?

Joe Rogan

Is that a D?

Dr. Robert Malone

80 So that's a whole another rabbit hole, and I like to call it vaccine enhanced infection or disease because 80 is just one subset

Of that

OK, but there is signs in some data

And we were

We were talking about this just before the broadcast

From Denmark, among other places

Of negative efficacy

Against omicron

As a function of the number of vaccinations up to three

Negative efficacy, positive efficacy means it protects you

Negative efficacy means your probability of being infected is higher

If you've taken the vaccine

And it's compared to unvaccinated

It seems to be somewhat higher

If you've had one jab, even worse, even more likely to get infected if you've had two jabs even more infect likely to get infected

If you had three jobs now, don't jump straight

To 80 E

Because the problem

Just to illustrate this confounding variable problem, which is what all the statisticians argue about endlessly

Is that?

There's all kinds of things that can complicate this interpretation

I'm going to give you the simple one

If somebody feels that they're fully Vaxxed and they're living, you know their young person in Denmark or whatever in Europe, they're more likely to go engage in risky behaviors

Such as maybe they go out clubbing

Whereas before they may have said no, I'm not going to go out clubbing you crazy

Now they feel like they're Superman

They've got

A shield right?

And so they engage in more risky behaviors, and so there's an example of a confounding variable, one of many

So that's the that's the I want to caution that I'm not saying that this shows that we're having vaccine

Enhanced infection, I'm saying that this is a risk which the FDA knew about

Explicitly identified told the vaccine manufacturers they should set up studies to detect whether or not it's happening

But didn't force them to do it

This is another one of the huge FDA fails here

They had the right and responsibility to ensure that we had good data about this and they took a pass

They said vaccine manufacturer

We think you should do this, but you know it's optional and so they never did it

No surprise

It's like first rule of clinical development

When you're in Big Pharma, you never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to

Unless you're absolutely forced to do it

That's why the FDA is supposed to do its job, but in this case with enhanced disease, a known risk of all prior coronavirus vaccine development efforts, including veterinary

Chronic complication with those efforts

The reason why I focused on drug repurposing?

We're going to need drugs

Best way we can get drugs is drug repurposing, yay

And then I got my team to focus on that

That's why we did that

FDA is known that this is a risk

Although vaccine ologists notes a risk, it's in the literature

We've all been kind of watching carefully, so I have is this risk and a manifest

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you for a?

Second, when you're saying statistically

It seems that one jab makes you more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated 2 jabs, even more so

Three jobs more so

Where is this date?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's coming

It's a series of analysis

There's a really active group of biostatisticians worldwide in right now that are picking apart the primary data that's coming out

There was a paper that was published from the Netherlands, as I recall

That had or or it was a publication from official publication by the government

That had the primary data and then this primary data has been analyzed re analyzed

Discuss on sub stack blah blah blah torn apart and rebuild

Now we put out a sub stack statement that summarizes some of this that you can easily find from us, but it's an ongoing debate, but the

The effect size is now now what the statisticians are arguing about is well, whether or not they had the right number for the denominator of total cases

This gets back to my point that the databases are all contaminated because the incidence of the virus in the population

Is a function of testing

In other words, you don't look for it

You don't see it, then you assume you're not having it right

And in the Netherlands they have one of the best testing systems, so they have rigorously testing everybody for whether or not they get in the virus, and so those numbers are a little

You know?

Sketchy, and that's what everybody is arguing about is is should we be looking at only the 12 and above cohort?

You know it's all this is, but the effect size is so large

That it's we can

We can argue about these confounding variables until the cows come home, but it's a big effect

It's going to be hard to account for otherwise

It is not in peer reviewed publications

This kind of stuff is wicked hard to publish these days and it takes months

Joe Rogan

So would the assumption be that there's something that's happening to people that are vaccinated where it makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of COVID?

Because this particular strain of COVID this omicron?

Is a vaccine escape variant, meaning that it's sort of tried to find its way around the protection of the vaccine so

Dr. Robert Malone

Now you're

Joe Rogan

And it's selected for

Dr. Robert Malone

That so now you're trying to impose a high

What you're doing is generating hypothesis, yeah?

Which is good

And one of many possible hypotheses, and so in a world a proper world where we are allowed to debate these things and do these kinds of studies and examine these kinds of variables without being right in social media, we would have a very active discussion about this hypothesis and many others

No, that's my my way of not answering your question

Joe Rogan

I understand well

Is there a mechanism that would point to one of two things, whether it is a a decrease in an immune response of a person who's been vaccinated, or some opportunity?

Dr. Robert Malone

So so let me throw out so you just hit

Let me go down the rabbit hole of that first comment

You made

OK, So what we're doing is with with administering a mismatched vaccine

Is we're driving the effector and memory cells

B&T

Towards a population that is focused on a virus that no longer exists

So it's not in in immune response

You don't get everything

End with what I think you know you didn't ask me the question, but I'm going to answer it anyhow

What is your hypothesis for the poor durability of the vaccines?

My answer is it looks to me like original antigenic sin

Well, that's kind of a cool

Terminology what that means?

Let's unpack original antigenic sin and I think what could be happening with these data as your

Just following your hypothesis, you just shared consistent with that

Is that we're driving the immune response towards responding to an antigen

The receptor binding domain, a spike that no longer exists with Omicron

It it is, become clear it was initially denied, but it's become clear that all of us have a background immune response against beta coronaviruses. These are naturally circulating cold corona viruses that have significant immunologic cross reactivity with SARS, Co V2

And the problem with that

In original antigenic sin, is that those existing memory cells will dominate the immune response when you get infected and when you get vaccinated?

Now let me unpack that in a way that kind of makes sense for the common person we all know

That well in war

The the homily is we're always best prepared for the last war

OK, in your life you're the sum of your prior life experiences, biases, how you respond to I mean in in your martial arts you must know this

Right, deeply what you've experienced in the past in prior fights is going to bias how you respond to a new opponent

OK, same happens with your immune system does that

Make sense, yes?

OK, super OK, you now understand original antigenic sin

OK, because the prior exposure of your immune system to an antigen that is closely related to a new antigen, you know if you are are are having martial art

With a person of a certain ethnic background or or physical characteristics or whatever, and they have certain strategies that they use, the next time you encounter somebody that looks like that and seems to move like that, you're going to say, oh, they're going to use the same kind of strategies your immune system acts the same way

With viruses

And it could be that they've they've got a whole different toolkit and you're busy fighting this war, and they come in and boom, you're dead, right?

Same kind of thing

OK, so we've got a new pathogen, but it's got a series of of overlaps with the old ones that we've seen before and our immune system is biased to respond

As if it's the old one now

To make matters worse, we're taking the spike protein

Only one of the proteins, the dominant

Immunologically dominant protein

And we're japon everybody multiple times

And driving memory cells and effector cells

That are two a virus that is not the one we're encountering

So it could very well be that as you're taking more jabs

You're further skewing your immune response in a way that's dysfunctional for infection too

Omicron, compared to somebody that is immunologically naive, they only have

Presumably they've either recovered from an earlier 'cause we gotta remember the baseline group, the non vaccinated group is actually complicated because it's got those that haven't had the virus

Before, but they've had beta coronaviruses

And those that have had prior infection are naturally immune

So that's you can appreciate that looking at these things kind of get squirrely

There's a lot of moving parts, but when you see a signal this strong

It's saying something is going on

You ought to pay attention to it

Joe Rogan

In my opinion, what is the difference between the spike protein that's generated from the injection of the vaccine versus?

All of the variables that your body encounters when it's been infected by COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

That is another brilliant question

I'm not saying this to butter you up

And thank you for asking it

That's, uh, that was a very broad question, and this is a peel

The onions, onion layers situation

I mean, you said what are the differences?

Let's start at a high level

When you get infected where I get infected

It's typically nasal or pharynx

It's coming in through the mucosal membranes of your

OK, and by the way, that's one of the other things that's kind of cool

About omicron

In a good way

Is that the prior strains infect mostly deep lung and there's really fascinating data from Hong Kong suggesting that Omicron is infecting upper airway more

That is a characteristic of less pathogenic influenza viruses

And hopefully what we know about Omicron is, even though it's more infectious

And replicates the higher levels

It's less pathogenic as a paradox, well that could explain it

OK, so there may be some good news at Nongkrong, but getting back to your question, when you take the jab

You get a

I don't know how to say a spike of spike

You get a bolus, a peak fairly rapidly

Of this viral protein

And it's in your body

In it circulating in your blood, we know that there's a Harvard study Brigham and Women's nurses spike protein circulation after vaccination

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you?

One one second I like when you test for kovid you go in through the nose

If someone is getting Omicron

Or are they less likely to test positive?

Because you're swabbing their nose, no

Dr. Robert Malone

More, all of these are initially coming in here

Joe Rogan

So it still would exist in the nose even though it's affecting the back of the throat

Dr. Robert Malone

It seems to be well, it's it's clearly producing equal or higher levels

Delta was significantly higher in the nose

By PCR with all of the caveats about the problems with that cycle number and Omicron seems to be even higher, significantly higher

OK

OK, so hit your nose and then it goes

Joe Rogan

Down, OK, and it's affecting the throat

For some reason

Dr. Robert Malone

It it is

Joe Rogan

A lot of the people that I know that got Omicron had a throat ache

Throat a soreness of the throat before

Dr. Robert Malone

That is, paradoxically, really good news

By the way, that's called primary data anecdotal primary data, but it beats modeling data from the CDC, which is what the New York Times has been reporting that we all have

By this point, we're all supposed to have 70 or 80% of all the virus in the United States is supposed to be omicron, that is based on what is now known to be erroneous modeling

And all of us that were inside when we saw this come out, we knew the group in the UK that did the modeling and we were like, oh, these guys have overpromised

They have basically put out scare modeling all the way through this outbreak and we should take this with a grain of salt

And now the press is all backpedaling and the CDC is backpedaling, saying oh

But I think we got it wrong and there's still a lot of delta in the population

But you know your buddies

If it's circulating here in in Austin and you're hearing people that are having more the sore throat and runny nose and less of the my chest is burning and I've lost taste and smell

Right?

Joe Rogan

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, that's just to kind of open that up a little bit

With H1N1 influenza just to take one example

We have high pathogenicity and low pathogenicity versions of H1N1. What that means is some will kill you and some won't

More or less

The difference seems to be the virus

The receptor, the nuances of the receptor that the virus is hitting and using to initially infect cells

And the low pathogenicity H1N ones infect the upper airway

And the high pathogenicity H1N ones infect the deep lung

The prior SARS, Kobe ones have been hit in deep lung

This report that you're giving me from your buddies

That you think is probably Omicron

Is consistent with the Hong Kong data

And it all fits into a box, and we know from South Africa for sure

That omicron in where you know the WHL made the statement

There are no known deaths associated with Omicron in the in the world

Now there may be a couple somewhere

Joe Rogan

I thought it was just the United States

I didn't know they were saying for the world because there there was a we

We just read something that said there were several that were associated

Dr. Robert Malone

Now there's there's as I said

Over time there will be deaths associated

Remember, we talked about the difference between causal and association

Joe Rogan

Right, yeah? And also the fact that 95% of the people who have died from COVID had an average of four comorbidities here

Dr. Robert Malone

OK and

You're on it, yeah so

And and now it's been documented at least two cases when there were reported deaths

From Omicron and people actually went back, they got picked up in the legacy media and circulated as Oh my God, it's going to kill us again

More fear ****

Then people went again like they did with the Ivy Mekton story

Remember about the hospital, it was all full of ivory mekton toxicity and then someone bothered to call the hospital

Same story, sorry Nope, those weren't omicron deaths

Just something that got reported and amplified in the legacy media, so regardless the mortality of Omicron is remarkably low

I think we can all agree on that

That's the list of symptoms from Omicron published in Nature, I think

Recently are pretty much 100% overlap with common cold

Joe Rogan

And there are coronaviruses that are common colds

Dr. Robert Malone

That's the beta coronaviruses that I was talking about when I was talking about

Original antigenic sin

Joe Rogan

So if you test positive for the common cold, do you test positive for a corona virus?

Like if you take a COVID test?

Dr. Robert Malone

The common cold is a is a

In general that's not

Tested for it

No, it's it's a it's a grab

Bag of stuff

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, it's rhinoviruses, it's coronaviruses

It's influenza

You know it's a lot of things

There's a lot of respiratory viruses that are floating around

But getting back on on track with Omicron

It is absolutely looking like Omicron is a mild variant

It is absolutely

Able to escape prior vaccination

The control of prior vaccination

Typically with mismatched vaccine

It seems to be also able to infect a subset of people that are naturally immune

Probably less than the subset that get infected with vaccination

But in this is a kind of a key message to your audience

The reproductive coefficient that's more fancy language

The reproductive coefficient

But many of your audience is going to know that that's the are not

The R nought of the original strain will hunt

Strain was about two to three

That means that if I'm infected on average without any other interventions, I'll infect 2 to three other people

OK, and for delta the R nought was more in the range of five to six if I'm infected

No vaccination, no social distancing, no masking, blah blah blah

The average rate of transmission would be, I would infect five or six people

In the case of Omicron

The arnaout, the rebase reproduction coefficient is in the range of seven to 10

OK, that is a wicked high

That is measles

What that means I'm going to translate that into simple language

We are all going to get infected

Whether you use masks or not, use social distancing or not unless you're going to go live on the Mir trail and not talk to anybody when you pass them

You're going to get infected

So this gets to the key point

You know, find a doc that'll administer early treatments

And you know what they are and you just had the expert on Peter McCullough

Joe Rogan

But it's incredibly difficult to get this stuff now, that's what's incredible

Monocle and runs

That was the next thing I was going to ask you about

Why would they do that?

When well, what is the percentage of delta versus Omicron out there, and how do?

Dr. Robert Malone

We know, so here that's I just alluded to that a minute ago, and this is another fascinating story, and it's kind of being covered up

It's starting to be covered by the press, but they're not going back to the cause

OK, remember I said that there was a group in the UK

Imperial College didn't give the specifics before, but it's a group in the UK that does modeling

And they came out with some modeling projections that basically the entire UK hospital system was going to be inundated with

And a lot of us looked at that and went

Yeah, those are the same guys that have predicted that we're going to have, you know, millions and millions and millions of dead and and they're going to be body stacked up

And, you know, coolers in the UK

And it sure looks like they may have overshot

Again, the CDC seems to have taken those modeling

Projections in those models

And they put out a member in mid December right before Christmas. Merry Christmas. Oh, you're all going to get infected by COVID and and it's going to sweep through and we're going to have 80% of COVID by this time of this month

Joe Rogan

How about that ridiculous press release from the White House?

That said, we're the winner of the unvaccinated death

You know, experience a winner of death, and the overwhelming hospitalizations

Dr. Robert Malone

All I can say is that the political genius behind that should be taken out in the behind in the woodshed and given a good weapon because that was just horrible political messaging

Joe Rogan

So horrible and in the terms in terms of Omicron, so inaccurate, yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

I contrasted

Yeah, but it doesn't matter, and that's that's that's the core thing

Of of this, chronic angst of of what the heck is going on?

This doesn't make any sense at all

You know, I don't want to get too off your topic, but

Our government is out of control

On this and they are lawless

They completely disregard bioethics

They completely disregard the federal common rule

They have broken all the rules that I know of that I've been trained on for years and years and years

These mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly

Illegal, they are explicitly inconsistent with the Nuremberg Code

They're explicitly inconsistent with the Belmont report

They are flat out illegal and they don't care

And the only thing standing between us

And it's too late for many of our colleagues, including my

You know, the unfortunate colleagues in the DoD

Hopefully we're going to be able to stop them before they take our kids

Joe Rogan

What's wrong?

What do you mean by the?

Dr. Robert Malone

DoD, the mandated vaccines for all the

Joe Rogan

They're mandated for everyone in the DoD

Dr. Robert Malone

Personnel forever, yeah

You know what's going on in the White House is a whole another hours talk

Joe Rogan

I'm sure it is back to Omicron and Delta

How do we know like what are the when you get tested?

Like when I was tested and I came out positive for COVID

I have no idea what I got

I assume it was delta 'cause that's what I heard was going around, but when they release these numbers, where are they getting that data?

Dr. Robert Malone

So in terms of this specific one, I'm sorry I got off track, so I was talking about Imperial College modeling, and the CDC seemed have picked up on

No worries

Dr. Robert Malone

That yeah

And the last data they had, it's actually Peter that sent me the data

We did a podcast about it

So he sent me the the modeling data

And and he sent me the documentation that the modeling data that the CDC was putting out in the New York Times and the Presinal amplified

You know when we all said oh we're going to have 70 or 80% omicron in the population by this time of this year?

The only actual data they had was up to about December 4th as I recall, and it showed only a tiny fraction of omicron in the population, but then they applied their mathematical models that they apparently got from Imperial College, and they said, oh, the curve is going to look like this, and therefore that's where we're going to be at this point in time, and therefore we're going to have 70% infection

And the press all picked it up and they just assumed that that was based on real data, not modeled data

What I'm hearing from docs in the field again and again, and you know, I had a bunch of people call me before I came on your show

Everybody was like Robert say this to Joe, but you know you're so important that everybody wants to get their angle in

What I'm hearing in the field is that delta is still dominant

And these are hospitalists and and people treating disease, and so they're seeing a skewed population

But it's important to remember that when the CDC says those kinds of numbers, they're talking about incidents, that is, that is the moment you know how many have actually been infected at that slice of time, but

What you see in the hospitals and this is something the press misses all the time

So they do like you're hearing all this fear **** about how the hospitals have filled up in New York City and blah blah blah

Blah blah OK

Omicron causes a short term limited illness

Delta is wicked bad, and it puts you in the hospital when it puts you in the hospital

You can be there for a month to two months

OK

What you're seeing in hospitalized cases right now appears to be dominantly delta

Because the CDC overestimated the fraction of the population that was getting they overestimated how aggressively omicron was going to move into the US population

Maybe that means our social distancing and masking is working

I don't know, but it's not moving in as fast as they had been projecting, and the bulk of the disease that the docs that I'm talking to are seeing in hospitals appears to be delta

Joe Rogan

But wouldn't that be because the people that are catching delta are the ones that need to be hospitalized versus the people that are catching omicron?

Dr. Robert Malone

Precisely OK

Joe Rogan

They don't need it

Dr. Robert Malone

But here's the rub and you I'm looping back now to your antibody point

Is the geniuses in our public health system said, Oh no Omicron, based on this modeling data?

Is going to be moving into the population is going to dominate things

We need to pull the monoclonals that are delta specific and only administer only allow people to use the monoclonals that are Omicron specific because it's going to drive further evolution otherwise

I guess that's their logic

Joe Rogan

But I haven't heard that logic at all

I've heard that is that the monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against Omicron, but I've never seen ivol

Dr. Robert Malone

That's that's you're saying you're saying the same

Joe Rogan

Thing I've also, but I've never seen any data that the

Monoclonal any letters

Dr. Robert Malone

There are data

There are data that the that it's in

Joe Rogan

Where's that at?

Dr. Robert Malone

Peer reviewed literature

Now there's

Joe Rogan

That it's ineffective against Omicron

Dr. Robert Malone

I wouldn't say ineffective, less effective based on laboratory neutralization assays

Joe Rogan

So in vitro correct OK

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, so you know Joe lab lapidot

Certain general

In the state of Florida

Has put out public statements now on I think his Twitter, among other things, saying decrying what the federal government has done of pulling all of the regular monoclonals

What I'm hearing from frontline docs is those those you know, older, Regeneron, monoclonals, et cetera

Are still very effective in their hospitalized population, presumably because it's still predominantly delta and yet they're no longer able to

Joe Rogan

Get it so the government has literally stopped the distribution of medicine

True effective medicine for a disease that exists currently

When has that ever happened before?

Dr. Robert Malone

Uh, hydroxychloroquine and

Joe Rogan

Yeah, but in this level where like hydroxychloroquine and ivory mekton were off label uses, this is something that has emergency use authorization

Dr. Robert Malone

The unlabeled unlabeled yeah

Joe Rogan

This is wild

Dr. Robert Malone

It is, uh, are they brain dead?

Joe Rogan

Are they trying to just encourage vaccine vaccination?

Dr. Robert Malone

Are they trying?

To kill

Joe Rogan

Is that what all it is?

Is this a money grab?

Dr. Robert Malone

So here's another

Joe Rogan

OK, what is that so?

Dr. Robert Malone

Version, I mean there's that when you see this kind of

Of public policy from logic

Then it causes thinking people like yourself to say what the hell is going?

On here, right?

And then we go down the rabbit hole

Is it this that or the other thing one of the things in that spectrum of what's going on?

The emergencies authorizations are predicated on

Policy determinations that were in a state of emergency

Those are now two years old

They're expiring

There there is

I'm not saying this is what's going on in their head

But there is another perverse incentive here

To amplify the fear ****

Into amplify

If you buy into the hypothesis

That for some reason

There are incentives for the government

To maintain the state of emergency

That is 1 explanation given that those declarations are expiring and will have to be re implemented if 'cause if they're not

Then all of this emergency use authorization vanishes, like dust

Joe Rogan

So are you saying?

Or are you implying that perhaps one of the reasons why they were moving monoclonal antibodies is to?

Enhance the amount of people that are

Dr. Robert Malone

Sick, I'm saying it is in the spectrum of the range of possible, just the same as the withholding of early treatments is inexplicable

Joe Rogan

And this is inexplicable in that we know that they're very effective

I, I've personal evidence that they're very effective

They work, they work great on me

The fact that there are moving this and that you would even consider

That the reason why they're doing it is to extend the emergency use authorization for political reasons is that's insane

That's terrifying

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's hard for me to reconcile

The behavior of the government

In its public health decisions with the data

And I'm I'm it's it's you

It's like there's two bins

Is it incompetence or is it maleficence maleficence?

Or are they is it is?

Is there some ulterior political motive?

Or they just

Dumb stupid

Joe Rogan

If if there's some political motive, if that's written anywhere, someone is going to jail

I mean, if that if that comes out, if that's somehow another gets leaked Jesus ******* Christ, that's scary

Dr. Robert Malone

That that, well, there's, there's you know

So I wish it was so

Joe Rogan

I wish it was so too

I'm saying that and I might be completely wrong

I made me totally naive

Dr. Robert Malone

Of what the lab leak?

Yeah, the the the you know the for me?

The disclosure of emails that Cliff Lane

Tony Fauci and Francis Collins actively conspired to destroy any discussion of the appropriateness of lockdown strategies and in the mainstream press hardly covers it

And there are no

There are no consequences

The document trail having to do with the gain of function research

And the implication of NIH

And by the way, dechra in that

Having absolutely no consequences for anybody

We're in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible

They this is modern media management and warfare

The truth is what the those that are managing

The Trusted News initiative say it is

Joe Rogan

That is wild

And for me personally, it's so confusing that I find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you want, because I don't know where else this is gonna get out

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't so so

Thank you

On behalf of, you know, in my case I'm the President of

The International Alliance of Physicians and Scientists. We are over 16,000 people from all over the world. Physicians and scientists

And you can find our website at WWW

Dot globalcovidsummit.org

We are gobsmacked about what's going on

And we are shut down, censored, demeaned

Fill in the blank

All over the world

Joe Rogan

And over a period of two years, the world is completely changed in

That regard

Dr. Robert Malone

And they're taking our licenses

And license to practice medicine

Because we are speaking about these matters and you can label me however you want to label me

I don't care. I've done what I've done in my career. I'm at a stage at 62 years old

I've got a farm

It's almost paid off

I raise horses

I love my wife

You know

I've been married a long time

My kids are both married

I got grandkids

You know, I don't need this

I'm there's this claim I'm doing all this because I seek attention

Trust me, this is not a fun thing to be doing

At this stage

Physicians at FLCC

In senior positions highly like

Peter McCullough, people at the at the culmination of exceptional careers

Paul Merrick

An exceptional physician by any standards

Run out of his hospital, demeaned, destroyed, actively attacked, trying to take his license

This is this medicine is being destroyed

Globally, people are losing faith in the whole system

They're losing faith in the scientific enterprise

They're losing faith in our government

They're losing faith in the vaccine enterprise

I mean what is going to be the long term consequences of public health when you have a large fraction of the population who wasn't anti vaxxer that perjorative before that are now saying Oh my God?

If this is how these people make decisions, I don't want anything to do with it

I certainly don't want it jabbed into

My kid

Joe Rogan

Well, that's one of the more disturbing things that the opposite of that is one of the more disturbing things about this pandemic is how people have just decided because they're scared and because they want a solution that the pharmaceutical companies

Have their best interests at heart and that they're not these

Machines that are designed to make money

And they they sell drugs and the drugs are often beneficial, but their main goal is to make money

And if they can fudge the data if they can move the numbers around

If they can delete negative consequences

Dr. Robert Malone

Pfizer is one of the most criminal pharmaceutical

Organizations in the world based on their past legal history

In fines

What are those fines include bribing physicians?

It is a cost benefit analysis in the Pharmaceutical industry about misbehavior

They are not grounded in the ethical principles that you and I as average people believe in

They don't live in that world as you appropriately point out

They are about profit return on investment

And furthermore

The Overlords that own them

BlackRock Vanguard State Street, et cetera

These large, massive funds that are completely decoupled from nation states have no moral core

They have no moral purpose

Their only purpose is return on investment

And that is the core problem here

That, and the fact that we as a society have become grossly fragmented through social media, electronic appliances, the stress of what we've experienced

And this leads into this whole issue of mass formation psychosis that Matias Desmond

The University of Ghent has promoted

That for many of us, when Matthias, you know, psychologist and statistician interesting combination, came made public

A lot of us as we listen to Matthias, we said oh that makes sense, that that was like the brain, that what happened when I encountered the trusted news initiative, I said, oh, you know, I don't know if you saw the Brett Weinstein podcast with me and Steve Kirsch

Where that lit this whole fire all over the world, Bret ends with the with the basically the question if you listen to the long version

What's how does this happen?

How how do we have this emergent phenomena?

The how question right?

And you know behind the how question is the why question?

That the

The the how question of a third of the population basically being hypnotized

In totally wrapped up in whatever Tony Fauci in the mainstream media feeds them whatever CNN tells them is true

Let me illustrate that the other day I was looking through New York Times recent articles about Omicron and Pediatrics in preparation for this, and for making some slideshows

And I saw this headline in the New York Times

Epidemiologist in a vaccine ologist in the in the title was

How you should think about children and omicron?

It was, it was blatantly saying this is how you should think we're going to tell you how to think

OK, people kind of gotta get that in their head

That's the world we're in right now

Now, what Matthias Desmond has has shared with us

Brilliant Insight is another one of those aahe

Now that

Part makes sense

Which is that?

This comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened in Germany

In the 20s and 30s, you know very intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad

And how did that happen?

The answer is mass formation psychosis

When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other

And has free floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense

We can't understand it

And then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis

They literally become hypnotized and can be LED anywhere

And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders

The ones typically that come in and say you have this pain and I can solve it for you

I and I alone

OK, I can fix this problem for you

OK then they will lead

They will follow that person through hell

It doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever

The data are irrelevant, and furthermore anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked

They are the other

This is central to mass formation psychosis and this is what has happened. We had all those conditions. If you remember back before 2019, everybody was complaining. The world doesn't make sense

Blah blah blah

And we're all isolated from each other

We're all on our little tools

We're not connected socially anymore except through social media

And then this thing happened and everybody focused on it

That is how mass formation psychosis happens

And that is what's happened here

Now there's ways to get out of it

Matias recommendation is you've got to get people to realize that what we've got is a situation of

Global totalitarianism

In his experience in Europe

Making people realize there's a bigger threat than the virus

Can cause a separation psychologically

In this fusion this hypnosis that has happened

The problem is then you're just substituting a bigger boogeyman from the current one

And somebody else can come in and manipulate that the real problem, and it gets back to your core point

We're sick as a society and we have to heal ourselves

And one of the things we have to do

Is come together

We have to recreate our social bonds

We have to

Buy into integrity

The importance of human dignity

And the importance of community

That's how we get out of this

And I think that this inside of Matias Desmond

Is really central to kind of making sense out of all of this crazy

We got a world in which the press is incentivized

To push a storyline because they're all controlled by the same large funds

That Pfizer is and so is tech

I don't know how we're going to get out of it, but it's got to start with us

All of us finding common ground

Joe Rogan

I think one way we're going to get out of it is by realizing what it is

And by the way you just explained it in the way Peter McCullough explained it when he was on the podcast

As well, this mass formation psychosis that we're currently experiencing

Most people are unaware that's even happening

All these events take place and it's this perfect storm

Of the social media aspect of it, the the fact that we are disconnected the the COVID, the separation, the isolation from society, the lockdowns

Also coming off of the four years of Trump where we're so polarized politically and this

It's become

Not just common but accepted to other people to to point at those the others

Whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats or the independents

Whatever you choose, whatever you choose to make, or the unvaccinated that was going to get to, yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

Or the OR the?

Joe Rogan

And that's one of the things that

I find very bizarre about the tribal aspect of this is that people want me to get vaccinated and like my friends who've been vaccinated, want me to join the team like go ahead, get the tattoo like what are you saying?

And I'm like I've gone through the virus

I have immunity

I also have antibodies

I just checked them last week like I could show you the test

A matter of fact, I have it right here

There it is

Dr. Robert Malone

And I had to be tested when I came in the front door at

Your shop here

Joe Rogan

Yeah, we test everybody, but the point being is it doesn't make any sense for me to get vaccinated

But they want me to join

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's worse than that

It puts you at higher risk

Yes, OK, they're asking you to take more risk

For your health

In order to join their club

Joe Rogan

That's what it is, and that's what it is, and it's a it's a tribal formation

It's people who don't have personal sovereignty and people who aren't confident with standing by their own thoughts and objectively analyzing things outside of, uh, an ideology outside of the tribe

Those people are very susceptible right now, and those are more common than not

Dr. Robert Malone

So Joe again, this is not me buttering you up

This is, This is why you're providing such a service to your country and to humanity

Because you're one of the few voices

That has a an audience

That is not Democrat or Republican or black or white, or vaccinated or unvaccinated

All these dipoles that we create artificially

And you are trying to speak to that persuadable middle

In and do so with with an open heart

In an open mind

And in a world in which all of the information is being so carefully manipulated

And so pervasively distorted

And and I, I'm grateful sincerely

My colleagues are grateful

And and I think the world should be grateful for your leadership

Joe Rogan

Well, I'm very grateful that there's courageous people like yourself that do put your reputations and your careers on the line by speaking out against this stuff when it is very difficult

And when you do get deep platform for doing that, they know that by censoring you, they're not

Just censoring you

They're also making others like you

Self censor

Dr. Robert Malone

Absolutely absolutely

I've been self censoring for months

I mean every morning when we post on Twitter, my wife and I, Jill Glasspool Malone, PhD, right?

I have this active

Can we post this?

Not you know how do we say this?

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

So we're not going to get deep platformed blah blah blah blah blah

We're constantly self censoring

Joe Rogan

And it's crazy because you're self censoring about your area of expertise

Which is insane because the people who are censoring you don't have any education in it

Dr. Robert Malone

It yes, I agree it's insane

It's the world we're in

Joe Rogan

I'm just hoping that that clip where you explained this mass formation psychosis makes the rounds and I think everything you've laid out today is about as clear and as rational and as well documented as

I could have hoped and more so thank you very much for being here

Thank you very much for everything that you've done and Jesus Christ Twitter

Put the ******* guy back on

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's OK, you know so

So you do martial arts

And so you get the idea of using your opponent's energy against

Joe Rogan

Him yes, OK?

Dr. Robert Malone

I was immediately contacted by multiple lawyers

I'm sure this this could be an excellent exemplar case

Joe Rogan

I think it is between you and Alex Berenson

Dr. Robert Malone

Who's already filed one?

Yes, OK, I've I've been through the legal grind

I don't want to sue anybody frankly, but it is

It just sucks the blood out of you

Not to mention your financial resources

I mean it's just a ugly process

I hate it

There's two hills that are willing

I'm willing to die on

One is stopping the jabs and the children

And one is

You know, resisting

The erosion of free speech

Which is the fundamental principle on which our democracy and our society civilized Western culture is built on?

I like to say when I give rallies do you remember back a couple of years ago when you felt sorry for the people in the People's Republic of China?

Their Internet was filtered

They weren't allowed free speech

Their government told them what to do and think

OK

Now here we are

OK, and the next thing that we all feel sorry about social credit system

OK

Wake up folks

Joe Rogan

Wake up it's coming

If we give into this and we give into vaccine passports and having an app on your phone that shows everything you're doing in in terms of your medical history, and they've even offered people extra credit, there was a article on Yahoo about having access to your browser history and they they framed it in this very positive way that having access to your browser in history may

Allow you to receive extra credit

So you would be available you would you

You would have credit available to buy a home or a

Dr. Robert Malone

Car so bingo OK we already know what social credit systems feel like

We call it a credit rating agencies, OK?

And you know what?

Those guys do

It doesn't matter whether or not if it's on, your record doesn't matter whether or not you did it or what the extenuating circumstances were, it's in their algorithm and you will get your score and your score basically will determine the tax on your access to credit in the form of the interest that you pay on the money that

They have been given by the federal government

OK, that's the way this ecosystem works

They get that money at a huge discount and then they decide how worthy you are to receive it

If you want to have credit

And so if you want to understand a little tiny version of the social credit system, it's right there in your credit score

Joe Rogan

I think the only thing that helps us here is that this may be the one subject where

Everyone loses people on the left

People on the right, people in the center, everyone loses if they impart a social credit system

If there is some sort of social credit app that you have to carry around on your phone that determines where you're allowed to go, what you're allowed to do, we're all gonna lose, no

Dr. Robert Malone

No, I disagree

The oligarchs win

Joe Rogan

A very small percentage of the population wins

Yes, right?

But I mean the the general public, the people, the people that are divided about COVID the people that are now othering each other and you know you losers who got the jab and look at you

Unvaccinated playgrounds

This nonsense is going on

Maybe this will be the one thing that unites us 'cause we realize that this

Is tyranny, or if it won't come?

Dr. Robert Malone

Welcome to the new boss

You know

Welcome to the new Overlords guys

And it's your choice I'm I'm gonna be dead

You know I'm I'm 62

It's it's my thanks, you're kind

Joe Rogan

You got some years in you bro

Dr. Robert Malone

That it's our children

Joe Rogan

Settle in it's

I mean, they're

There's they're challenged uniquely already because they are growing up with social media

They're growing up with Tik T.O.K and these invasive apps that are tracking all their movement and everything they do and buy and see and what they look up and they cross platform

They they share this data across platform

It's very sketchy stuff and that the fact that it's happened and it happened so quickly and that our data which seemed to be nothing became one of the most valuable commodities in the world

And that and that data is used to manipulate

All the people on the planet

Dr. Robert Malone

So we're touching on some deep stuff about the kids and I'm forgive me for an unabashed

For the Unity project, which I serve as chief medical and regulatory officer for so that's

Unity project online

Com or org it's com

We're totally focused on the kids

And if you go on that site

You'll see a podcast that I did with a pediatric

Psychiatrist out of LA

And a pediatric

Cardiologist who's also a pH

D in vascular inflammation, Kurt milhoan

And I got those two guys on to talk about what's happening to our children

In particular

The psychological damage

Of these lockdowns this mask use

The school policies

The bullying of children who are unvaccinated

The psychological damage is huge

We're having a worldwide epidemic of suicide in children

We are having a huge surge of drug abuse in adolescents

We're having demonstrable drops in IQ and fundamental developmental milestones

In the very young

Like 20 IQ points

OK, children have to see faces to learn how to speak and to interact socially

You're talking about social intelligence, which you're deep in

And connectedness we're raising a generation of children in that have been blocked from their ability because their brains are developing extremely rapidly at this age

The ability for their brains to assimilate the information necessary for them to become functional citizens

And parents

We're destroying it without a second thought

And the damage is going to last for generations and

Is if that's not bad enough, we're allowing the state to insert itself into the family

And make decisions by mandating vaccination

OK, This is why this these childhood vaccines mandates are obscene

We're setting up a situation in which children are going to see peers who have been vaccine damaged as a consequence of the policies that their teachers and their government have forced on them

The the damage here

Is going to be with us for generations

I'm not being chicken little here

This is deep, profound stuff

It's way beyond myocarditis

In no one seems to care

No one talks to children

There was a big breakthrough

We all celebrated a week ago, Face the Nation

What on the on the annual Roundup of of stories that have been underreported?

One of the speakers got up journalists and and said to the other group, I think one of the most underreported stories has been the damage that's happened to our children

Joe Rogan

I saw that

Dr. Robert Malone

And did you see what happened with the other journalists?

Nobody said a word

They moved on

It was hardly covered in media

Joe Rogan

Well, she even glossed over the damage by the vaccines

Dr. Robert Malone

Agreed, how she?

How could she speak about the vaccines?

I suspect she may lose her job

She's not gonna be invited back on that program again

I doubt

I mean, how could she speak about the damage of the vaccines?

It is already

Joe Rogan

She did she really just briefly touched

Dr. Robert Malone

On this and she

Yeah, so so

Probably 'cause it's dangerous, insanely dangerous to speak truth to power right now

Joe Rogan

Before we wrap this up, why is the vaccine uniquely dangerous to children?

Dr. Robert Malone

Good question that the and I'm not completely so

The data

Here's the problem with the myocarditis bias in children in

The data set, particularly boys

One of the things there is clearly an androgen component to the risk of both the vaccine and the disease of the the virus

And that's why anti androgens, by the way Pierre Corey shout out to him for a champion of anti androgens, androgens being added to his math plus protocol

OK, particularly for men

Why are boys there?

There's probably a component of that that has to do with an artifact in the data

That being that, when a sold coudures in general, is a population have a much higher risk of cardiac events, and so if there's a heart attack in in one of us

It's really hard to say

Is it just because we're old?

Or is it a vaccine related?

OK, so then the vaccine if there are vaccine related events buried in that

We're not going to see him statistically

It's really hard to pull it out, whereas kids don't have heart attacks and they don't have strokes, so you can see those things really clearly against the background of virtually nothing, so that's it may be partially an artifact of reporting and bias because of confounding variables, and it may be there

Other effects

In terms of your broader question, moving outside of the myocarditis, why are children more susceptible to these adverse events?

I think they're not

I think the problem is that we're seeing it in the kids, but it's present in the adult population also

I think there is a significant reporting bias going on against reporting adult vaccine injury

I think that we have more in in how why would I say that?

Oh, because I'm a vaccine denier

I'm a bad guy and I have some perverse incentive to have that media hit me know we have these reports from hospitalists and nurses, the ones that often it's the nurses

They're able to speak for some reason

The nurses are disclosing things that they're seeing in their hospitals, and the physicians are all shutting up

Is it because they have financial incentives or because they're all owned because they have such debt burdens?

I don't know

But the nurses are speaking out and they're saying, hey, we're seeing strokes and heart attacks in these other types of problems that are known to be associated with the jabs

Well, it's hard to say

Because we got the virus in the in

The vaccines overlapping, you know, is it chicken or egg?

We know that they're happening

We know that the deaths are happening

That's like the the

Excuses that are made about the sudden deaths in high performing athletes

That are being observed all over the world, particularly in footballers

That where they're just suddenly dropping, is it because they've been infected or they because they've been jabbed?

In and I think it's a mixture of both

But if it's from the vaccines, the thing about the vaccines is that's in, you know we have this principle we used to

Of do no harm

In in

If a if a virus naturally infects you and you have a damage from it, I haven't caused that damage as a physician

If I'm recommending that you take a drug

An intervention they didn't need to have

You may or may not have gotten infected, and it causes damage

Well, I got to kind of own that

As a physician, as a representative of the medical industrial complex and a participant in it

And so

For whatever reason, there's an underreporting bias

Clearly, in the adult population

And I think that people be me a little more sensitive to adverse events and deaths in their children

Joe Rogan

Robert, thank you for everything

I really appreciate you

I appreciate you being here

If people want to read more of your work now that you've been banned from Twitter, where are you?

Where are you?

Are you still on LinkedIn or you gone?

Dr. Robert Malone

From LinkedIn

Still on LinkedIn I'm I'm really cautious on LinkedIn

I'm like I'm on getter

Joe Rogan

Sub stack

Dr. Robert Malone

And I'm on sub stack, so that's RW Malone, MD

And who knows?

Joe Rogan

Sub stacks probably the best place though, right?

The least censored

Dr. Robert Malone

It's the the problem with sub stack

Yeah, it is least censored and and I would love more sub stack subscriptions, but I have a financial conflict of interest there so I don't want to pump it

But that is I try to use sub stack for more in depth intellectual pieces

Thought pieces, not just I mean Alex bless his heart

He blasts everything out as if sub stack is Twitter

It's not my style, right?

So I'm going to be using getter for that thread getter

What is that?

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, that's a that's a Twitter alternative

We don't know about getter

Yeah, no, it's it's

Joe Rogan

Been waiting for one though

Dr. Robert Malone

Yep, so I'm using getter and and again at at RW Malone, MD

Joe Rogan

So is it?

Is it spelled like?

GTR GT GTR

Do you want it, Jamie, no GTR

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, so getter is is branded as the Twitter killer

It is explicitly a Twitter alternative

Joe Rogan

Is it all right wing crazy people?

Dr. Robert Malone

No, it's it's a lot

It's a lot of people that have been, it's yeah

Joe Rogan

That a lot of people that kicked

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it started off

It's yeah, it's it's

It's weird, you know

They are committed to not censoring beautiful

Joe Rogan

Well, I support that entirely

I mean, I just did

There's a problem with some of these that they do get infected by people that were shitposters

You know, with shitposters are people just yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

I mean, I've I've been on social media a

Long time

I'm sure I used to be on Yahoo stock chat boards

Joe Rogan

You have

Dr. Robert Malone

That's kind of where I cut my teeth

Joe Rogan

Well, Robert, thank you very much

Just thank you for everything and I hope this

I hope this helps

Dr. Robert Malone

Thank you, thanks

Joe Rogan

We really do

Dr. Robert Malone

So seriously

Thank you for your service

To your nation and to the world

Mr Rogan

Joe Rogan

My pleasure, thank you. Thanks for everything. Bye everybody. So folks we we actually went outside and talked and Robert realized that he had forgotten to tell everybody about this rally. And then I picked up Snoop who's with me now. So there is a rally January 23rd

Where is it you wanna give us the?

Details why shouldn't?

Dr. Robert Malone

Motion in DC between the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial. So this is the defeat the mandates an American homecoming rally and thanks a lot for letting me put the plug in. The website is www.defeatthemandatesdc.com

So this is not about being anti vaccines, it's about being anti mandates and our hope is that we bring people together

I know that's one of your core messages

People from every walk of life, every party, every religion, every ethnic background

Democrat Republican vaccinated unvaccinated the thing that we can agree on is personal liberty and the right of people to make their own choice

And that's what this rally is about, is to resist these mandates of the vaccine

Whether you believe in it or don't believe in it

I hope that you believe in the integrity and freedom of your fellow man and woman to make their own bodily choices

So this is going to be part of a same day worldwide rally for freedom that's going to come across the entire world

This is in Australia, in Europe, in UK

And in the United States, for the first time

So we ask that you join us, we're we're asking our our objective is to end the vaccine mandates and also no vaccine passports

No vaccination for healthy children, no to censorship, no to limits on reasonable debate

In this censorship and and propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with, we believe in the power of natural immunity

We believe and insist on informed consent, and we insist on allowing doctors and patients making decisions without interference together

So, Joe thank you for allowing me to correct my grievous

Error here

Joe Rogan

No worries, we realized it. So one more time with the website itsdefeatthemandates.com

Dr. Robert Malone

No, it's

Feet the mandates D c.com and you can find all the information. January 23rd. It's a Sunday join not just with people in the United States, but from all over the world for our common good

Joe Rogan

Beautiful thank you

Thanks again everyone bye

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, that must prove that hydroxy and diver mekton protect well

Well, not so

As you point out, there's a lot of moving parts here, and so This is why you know, I'm glad you didn't ask me

Well, why is that Robert?

Because I would have said I can't say because there's too many confounding variables

However, it is a fascinating observation

That we have this intensively vaccinated cohort in Israel, and in much, much less vaccinated cohorts in the surrounding states

And you can look it up on worldometers

You don't have to believe me, you know your audience is smart enough

They can go on

Roadometer and look it up and look at the mortality and morbidity in these different countries and figure it out for

Joe Rogan

Themselves is the rate of infection comparable?

Dr. Robert Malone

Hart, you know, rate of infection is a really hard variable because it's a function of the density of testing

And so you know, this is one of those situations

The more you look for it

The more

You find, which is why you really can't use that as a denominator

Is the incidence of infection because the incidence of infection is totally contaminated by the frequency of testing and the density of testing?

So you have to rely on things

That's the only really the only thing close to a decent outcome indicator that isn't subject to all of this bias

That's all over in the system except in a few states

The Scandinavian states generally have relatively clean data

The UK to some extent has cleaner data

It's now clear that the Israeli data set is contaminated by all kinds of monkey business in terms of which it's deleted, but the only thing that seems close to a reasonable outcome variable is all 'cause mortality

So because people get kind of wrapped up around this and they say, well, you know that that these vaccine these deaths that were

I mean, this is the

Everybody argues both sides of the coin with their system

Oh, that means nothing and then Oh well, in the CDC uses it, it means everything, right?

And and it's OK for them to use it in the numerator, but it's not OK for anybody else

To use it

Joe Rogan

And for people don't know we're talking about, we're talking about the vaccine adverse event reporting system that's fares

Dr. Robert Malone

Which which the FDA explicitly said in the licensure packet for commodity is inadequate detect rare to detect rare adverse events

That's why they forced

If if they ever market commodity in the United States are going to have to do a bunch of clinical trials, which I think is one reason why they're not doing it because the FDA has told him that VAERS is basically junk

But it's the best we got

OK, so you know when you when you look at these ratios you the argument as well

Just because somebody died within X number of days of receipt of vaccine, it doesn't mean their death is vaccine caused it's vaccine correlated, that's fair

But it's the only variable we have and it's consistent in that we've had that variable in that outcome measure for decades

OK, so then we can look at trends, but what we see is this explosion of vaccine associated deaths

And you and to kind of pick that apart

People say you know well, if you had a car accident or a bullet to the head

And you went to the hospital and they tested you with a PCR test that's non specific and they rented up to 42 cycles and they said, oh look, there's the virus by the way, they have a financial incentive to do that

That results in a false positive death, true

But the other side of the coin is that if somebody is having brain fog or they have a stroke while they're driving a car

And they crash and die

And they've had it within, you know, 48 hours of when they took the jab, and we know the jabs cause blood clotting and strokes. Well then it could well be that an auto accident is vaccine related

Catch my point so

So all of these kind of things you can't sort out what what's what

You just kind of have to take the aggregate value and hope that you have a large enough sample size that it contracts corrects for all that stuff

All that noise that's inherent in the system

Joe Rogan

Now you just glossed over the financial incentive to report a COVID death

What is that?

What is the financial incentive?

'cause there's all these rumors that you would hear about what a hospital gets paid for COVID death and that the government gives them money and that they're incentivized to make something

Dr. Robert Malone

So there's

Joe Rogan

Mark it down, it's not

Rumors it's not rumors but

Dr. Robert Malone

Now I don't have the specific numbers at the top of my head

I'm not a hospitalist

I'm not a hospital administrator

But the the numbers are quite large. There's something like a $3000 basically death benefit to a hospital if it can be claimed to be COVID, there's a financial incentive to call somebody COVID positive

The CDC made a determination in year one

This is why all of our baseline data is junk

Joe Rogan

What is the financial incentive to say that they're COVID positive?

That's why the PCR cycles are ramped up so high

Dr. Robert Malone

I I I again, you're asking causation I I can tell you that there the hospitals receive a bonus from the government

I think it's like 3000 bucks

If someone is hospitalized and able to be declared COVID positive

They also receive a bonus

I think the total is something like 30,000 in incentive. If somebody gets put on the event

Then they get a bonus if somebody is declared dead with COVID

COVID OK, so they have an incentive at the front end to declare somebody COVID a COVID case

The CDC made the determination that they they were going to make a core assumption if PCR positive

And you die

That is death due to COVID

And so the the extreme example, just to to show the absurdity

If the patient comes in with a bullet hole of the head

And they do a nose swab and they come up PCR positive

They're determined to have died from COVID, when in fact they died from lead poisoning, yeah?

Joe Rogan

Is that real? That's real

That's real, yeah

So they've really done that with gunshot victims car accident victims

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't know about

Yeah yeah, for for sure

Trauma and other things

Joe Rogan

I've seen that said

But I've always thought that's ridiculous there's

No way of hospital would do that

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's not

It's not the, it's not a question of what hospital would do, it's a question of Med codes

Joe Rogan

So the code is set that if you swab that person and you are, you're supposed to swab them

Dr. Robert Malone

And and you

Get a positive signal

And the person

Joe Rogan

Are you obligated to swap them no matter who they are?

If they come in with an injury?

So that it really is true that if someone has a gunshot wound and they're dying of that gunshot wound and you checked them for COVID, and if they're COVID positive and they die, they marked it off as a COVID death

Dr. Robert Malone

That is, uh, that is by definition from the CDC

That was a decision that was made early on

There is that there is

That's why so many of us are so much in arms

Up in arms and and really pretty aggravated about what's going on

All the way through this, the information let me put it this way

Joe part of the reason I know you're somebody who is really committed to to bringing everybody together

And the idea that we're really one America

We're one people

We shouldn't be divided like this

Joe Rogan

I'd like that for the whole world

Dr. Robert Malone

Amen yeah Amen

OK, we're aligned

We're just humans

Thank you

OK, but but we've been divided in this way in and it's all been politicized

And the data have been so thoroughly manipulated

That it's hard for any of us to make sense out of it, and all the way through

Our government, at least

I can't speak to Great Britain or the Germany, but our government has had a series of checkpoints where they have a job to do and I know this because is what I do for a living

Right, I do regulatory affairs and clinical development

We wouldn't be having all of this conflict about what is truth if the FDA had done its job

What the FDA didn't do was force the pharmaceutical manufacturers to do their job

Now we can

We can wrap around, you know

Well, maybe it was just they were all in a rush

We were all panicked, blah blah blah blah blah, but the bottom line was they didn't do their job

And they didn't force pharma to do its job

And they didn't employ the standard requirements for testing and verification that pharma was doing its job

That I would expect to experience as a clinical researcher on one of my studies

OK, what's going on with Pfizer?

If the whistleblower comments hold true

And for instance, the Madita Gary case, this young woman who is listed as having a stomach ache that participated in the Pfizer trials, when in fact what she had was a seizure

And she's now we'll bond wheelchair bound with a nasal gastric tube

One of 1000 subjects

Joe Rogan

This is a 13 year old girl, right

That was a part of the study and they wrote it down as what?

Dr. Robert Malone

Gastric distress

Joe Rogan

That's that's literally what it says in terms of the adverse effect

Gastric distress, like what?

What is gastric distress?

Stomach ache, that's it

But what?

How do they account for all the other injuries?

They don't

They don't

Dr. Robert Malone

They take her off of the study

They they take

Joe Rogan

How is?

Her possible

That that's totally unethical, right?

Dr. Robert Malone

It is it is, it is

Joe Rogan

So who's signing off on that?

How do they?

How are they?

Allowed to do that

Dr. Robert Malone

So the way the rules work in regulatory affairs, so this is law, right?

This is regulatory affairs law in common practice at the FDA, and globally there's all kinds of

Treaties and things that regulate how these things are supposed to be done

The rule is used to be that a pharmaceutical company could kind of offload all the liability for bad stuff that might happen in a clinical trial and be mismanaged, etc onto the performer or the subcontractor used to be that pharma actually did the trials themselves, and then they found it was cheaper, more efficient, and they could push off their liability

If they engaged companies like I've been working for for decades, contract research organizations, clinical contract research organizations

And so that was done for a while, and if anything bad went bad in the trial

Then the farmer could say, oh, it wasn't us

It was those guys

Over the last few years, the FDA got wise to that, and they made policy that the responsibility vests with the sponsor

That's fancy regulatory speak for its pharma

Owns it

OK, so you asked the question

Whose responsibility is it to ensure that the data isn't contaminated and manipulated?

The answer is Pfizer

Joe Rogan

So they're responsible for the data they're allowed to say that this was just some sort of a gastric distress

Dr. Robert Malone

And the job of the FDA always

Is to ferret out monkey business which happens all the time

Whether intentional or unintentional

And there's all kinds of ways you can craft clinical trials

And craft clinical trial study reports, final study reports to hide the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff

Joe Rogan

So in this clinical trial that this young lady was involved in, how many children were involved in this study?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's 2000, approximately, but they're split into placebo and experimental groups, and so she was in the treatment

Joe Rogan

Group now one of the things that people have said in response to the vaccine injuries, is that it's

Approximately 1 in 1000 that are getting these significant injuries like myocarditis and

Dr. Robert Malone

So you think there's there's a well?

Joe Rogan

It's warm

Dr. Robert Malone

It's important when we talk about these things

To make a distinction between an event that is clinically significant

And might result in hospitalization

Versus something that might be undetected

Unless you did a laboratory test

Or you know, maybe like for instance myself, when I started to experience those things that I experienced after Moderna

I was confused it was not listed as among the side effects

I thought I'd just suddenly developed rampant hypertension

Until the data started coming out and I, you know, fortunately I had an astute cardiologist that got me under control and got me under medical management

And then I looked into it

Oh, this is one of the known side effects

And then time went by and it became more and more clear

So the point is that what gets reported in a study?

Is often biased by how the study is structured

Because one lists when you when you write the study protocol, you list expected adverse events

And so people, if those things happen, oftentimes they get checked

But I guarantee one of the expected adverse events was not seizure and paralysis

OK, now what?

They did?

One of the things there's all kinds of tricks you can play with the data if you if you're so inclined

And that's why it's so important

People like me that do clinical research for a living

We get drummed into our head bioethics on a regular basis

It's obligatory training and we have to be retrained all the time

So that 'cause this long history of physicians doing bad stuff, monkey business, and the most notable, of course in

Common knowledge is the Tuskegee experiments, but

So it happens

There's all kinds of financial incentives to make bad stuff go away and highlight good stuff

Makes the sponsor happy

And then you get another contract

These are not little contracts

You know a modest clinical trial is $20 million

A big one is 100,000,000 or more

OK, so these are big money deals

You want to keep that money flowing and you want to keep your sponsor happy

So that's what's come out with the whistleblower with Pfizer

Appears to have manipulated data in a variety of ways

And and this is done at the level of of checking the data and reconciling the data and deciding which things go into the database and which things don't go into the database and whether or not, well, if somebody had an adverse event after shot one and then they're dropped because they won't take shot two, you know, do we drop them out of this?

Overall study analysis

That's why there's there's we have all this specific language that we use in our business

The intent to treat

Cohort the PER protocol cohort

These are separate analysis

They describe these differences in how?

Because it's known that you can manipulate the data in these different ways, and it's clear now and basically this was the subject by the way, just to bring it back around to our first topic

This is the subject of that

On presentation

That the Canadians put out

That I put in that Twitter post was all the different ways that the Pfizer data was manipulated

Joe Rogan

It's it's just it blows my mind that that's the number one platform for distributing information right now, and that things like that are happening there

'cause it is

I mean, it's it's essentially a number one that would end Facebook

I don't know which one is bigger, but for distributing information

Dr. Robert Malone

So what's recently taken place so?

So remember, looping back

I talked about the interconnectedness at the board level between Pfizer and Thomson Reuters

Yes, OK, Thomson Reuters has become the does

The fact checker of choice for determining you know I quote fact checker right, and we know we so we can go into the

To the Facebook lawsuit that recently broke that whole story open, but Thomson Reuters is tide to Pfizer

They have common corporate ownership

And they are the fact checker of Twitter

Now they're integrated

OK, so it's it's Thomson Reuters is making the decision

Which has connections to Pfizer?

About what information will be allowed to be discussed on Twitter?

Joe Rogan

That is crazy

It is so crazy to even hear

I I and I don't know how we ever pull out of this mess. I mean I think we are at a 45 degree downward angle headed into a mountain

I really do

It's it's so strange to me that no one is up in arms about this other than the few people that have been censored and few people that have these opposing viewpoints that are, you know, deemed to be

Something that can't be discussed

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, it's it's Joe

It's even deeper than that

OK, then there's the hunting of physicians

So I myself, you know, Peter McCullough is the textbook example of hunting physicians, right? The guy is 150 hundred 50,000 in debt right now in the hole. In trying to defend his medical license

This is one of the most highly published authors

In the world

He's an exceptional researcher

You know, and and apparently a pretty good podcast or two based on

Joe Rogan

Great, I mean, the guy's published more in his field than any other physician in history

Dr. Robert Malone

And Baylor is trying to take him out, and it's not only Baylor, it's some entity outside of Baylor that's come in and is financing the attacks on him

But just to bring it home in a really not to make it all about me, but to be able to speak in the first person

OK so I went to Maui with a bunch of physicians a few months ago and we gave talks and did training about early treatments

We didn't talk about vaccines

There's only one hospital on Maui in the island of Maui

It's owned by a It's A P cyclea Kaiser Permanente satellite

Joe Rogan

OK

Dr. Robert Malone

So we went there

We gave that talk

That hospital and the hospital is associated with it, are actively involved, and have kicked out Kirk Milhoan

Because he's giving early treatment with the horse drug I ever met him

OK now who is Kurt Milltown?

You know why is he?

Why is he in this hospital?

What is he qualified?

OK, he's an MD pH D pediatric cardiologist with his pH D training at UC San Diego in vascular inflammation

He is among the most qualified individuals in the world for managing

COVID and commenting on cardio myocarditis in children

And they've kicked him out of

The hospital

Joe Rogan

Just for prescribing ivory

Dr. Robert Malone

For early treatment

OK, he also happens to be a pastor at a local congregation

He runs a food bank, he's whole life

He has traveled to emerging economies to provide free treatment

This is the kind of exemplar person that you know we all

We all should be in in the best of all possible worlds

Joe Rogan

And did they give an excuse for this?

Are they saying that his prescription of early treatment promotes vaccine hesitancy?

Like, is there anything?

Dr. Robert Malone

He's he's prescribing

Ineffective drugs and putting people's lives at risk. But here's the point

I'm not even there yet

OK, we're just winding up on this one

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

So the other day, right before Christmas, three days before Christmas, I get a package

From my licensing agency, which I'm licensed through the state of Maryland, so the state of Maryland Medical Board sends me a package

And it is a complaint that's been filed against me

I have six days to respond

Basically I end up having to respond in Christmas Day

OK or or earlier?

To this attack, claiming that I should lose my medical license and the citations are that I didn't actually invent M RNA vaccines

The a copy of the Atlantic Monthly attack article on me

Claims that I'm licensed in Virginia, which I'm not

Claims that I didn't graduate from Harvard Medical School, which I did

OK so I have to respond to all this stuff now

In going through it

And and it's just false, false, false, false

All coming in and pulled a bunch of stuff off of Twitter

And LinkedIn and sent it in and saying, well, this is the reason why this guy should lose his license

OK, because he is responsible for millions of deaths

He said it straight out

OK, I'm responsible for millions of deaths because of what I've said on social media

Now, who is it that's filing this?

It turns out it's the director

Of recruitment in external affairs

Of this hospital in Maui

This guy felt that it was necessary to to send this little package of happiness right before Christmas to my licensing board to try to get my license taken away

That what we're seeing across the United States and across the world

Is it's the hospitals and the hospitals?

Littles in the hospitalists

That are attacking outside physicians

That are attacking outside physicians

Joe Rogan

Do you have any knowledge as to why they're doing this?

Other than speculation

Dr. Robert Malone

If I was to follow the money, I'm going to put it that way

OK again, I can't get into their heads

Joe Rogan

Yeah, of course

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't know what's making them do this

It's crazy OK, never been done before

Right?

It's happening, you know

We went and did a presentation in Alaska and the same thing was being done for the physicians that came out and spoke about early treatment in Alaska and the

Fortunately, the Alaska Licensing Board put out a very terse statement that they don't want to get involved in politics in this kind of *** for tat, and that this is outside of of their role medical licensing boards for this kind of stuff are usually involved in making determinations about somebody suitability because of drug abuse

Or sexual activity or other things which are outside or malpractice

Overt malpractice OK, this kind of political weaponization of medical licensing boards is new now

Here's the here's the the observation that I can make if we follow the money

Is that hospitals are incentivized to treat COVID patients

The thing that ties all this little part of this story together, including the suppression through the government

Of early treatment, hospitals are incentivized financially to treat COVID patients

If COVID patients are being treated outside of the hospital and prevented from going to the hospital

Such is the case in the Imperial Valley

Where Brian Tyson?

George Fareed have saved thousands and thousands of lives of indigenous Latinos that are coming across the border and working the fields

I mean, they're they're breaking their backs to save the poor amazing story there with early treatments

And I guess they're left alone because they're in the Imperial Valley

Nobody cares

They're all poor, but in these?

Urban environments there are all these incentives for hospitals

To treat COVID patients, and if people are giving treatments that are keeping those people out of hospitals, then they're not getting that revenue

Joe Rogan

So your speculation, if I just

Could unpack this that doctor in Maui who was giving

Early treatment

You you think that the reason why he was targeted because he was directly costing the hospital money because people weren't going in?

Dr. Robert Malone

I'm not saying I, I'm saying that the observation is that early treatment keeps people out of the hospital and that hospitals have financial incentives

I mean for COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

Including death incentives. Financial incentives

Joe Rogan

To discourage early treatment

Dr. Robert Malone

And the other data point is these that are doing the attacking

Are almost universally, hospital administrators and hospitalists

Joe Rogan

So they're these aren't physicians these

Dr. Robert Malone

Aren't by hospitals I mean hospital based physicians?

Joe Rogan

OK, what does that mean then?

What why are they doing?

Dr. Robert Malone

It 'cause they're part of that system of that hospital system

Joe Rogan

And it the administrators, they would be doing that because

Dr. Robert Malone

They're making they're making, so again, I don't want to make accusations

I'm observing facts, right?

Joe Rogan

I want to bring this back to something we were talking about earlier, but we kind of moved past it

We were talking about the one in

1000 statistic

Dr. Robert Malone

Right, so a recent paper out of Hong Kong comprehensive analysis cardiac myocarditis in boys hospitalized

OK, that makes sense

That's that's word string

So that's the data analysis

So that's that's saying the myocarditis was so bad after vaccination and these are all verified post vaccination

The myocarditis was so bad that you went to the hospital. Incidence rate is 1 in 2700

Now there's all kinds of hand waving

That, Oh my carditis is mild and they recover from it, OK?

Those statements aren't, let's say, gently based in fact

Historic incidence of death post myocarditis is about 27%

Now the assertion is, well, this is a different kind of myocarditis and therefore it's not going to kill these kids

Or young adults?

OK, but that's being said in the absence of data, it's pure speculation

Joe Rogan

Right and why are they doing that?

Because they keep saying that the the instances of myocarditis are mild

I keep hearing that that it's mild myocarditis and that it eventually goes away, but not citing any studies

And I don't think there are any long term studies of children that have been vaccinated

Dr. Robert Malone

No, there can't be

Joe Rogan

That can't be

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

By definition, right right?

Joe Rogan

By definition

Dr. Robert Malone

Because because we haven't done what we have always done

OK, so let me say this, people ask me, Robert, you're the inventor of this tech

Urovac cynologist

Why are you speaking out?

This was the whole topic of the Atlantic Monthly or attack article

You know

Why is?

This person become a vaccine skeptic the the the

Joe Rogan

Did they talk to you?

Dr. Robert Malone

Extensively in the three days before this thing came out, the journalist who's it's a fascinating a young man he previously publishes basically unwoke issues in the Chronicle of Higher Education

This is his first big article

OK, he was clearly hired and they explicitly say the article was funded

By the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Zuckerberg Chan Nishat if

OK, Robert Wood Johnson is made the major shareholder in J&J and Zuckerberg. Chan of course, is Facebook

OK, so Facebook and Ekeberg Chen had funded this attack article by this guy that normally writes about wokeness in the Journal of Higher Education

And he was totally obsessed over this question, Robert, why are you saying these things?

You must have some financial incentive

There must be some reason why you're doing this

Joe Rogan

Did you meet with?

Dr. Robert Malone

And I

This man in person, no

Just over the phone OK, and I told him repeatedly because it's the right thing to do

I get this, you know this consternation

But see The thing is, I think I'm maybe the only one that has been involved deeply in the development of this tech

That doesn't have a financial stake in it, right?

So for me, the reason is because what's happening is not right, it's destroying my profession

It's destroying the practice of medicine worldwide

It's destroying public health and medicine

I am a vaccine ologist

I've spent 30 years developing vaccine, a stupid amount of education

Learning how to do it and what the rules are and for me I'm personally offended

By watching my discipline

Get destroyed

For no good reason at all, except apparently financial incentives and and I don't know political ask covering

Joe Rogan

Now back to this number, because we keep going past it and going off on tangents

You know the the number that keeps getting cited is 1 in 1000 people have adverse events and including myocarditis

If myocarditis that requires hospitalization is 1 in 2700

Dr. Robert Malone

In boys

Joe Rogan

In boys, but there's also issues of people that have

Something like fatigue that has lasted post vaccination, but I mean there's a lot of those

Dr. Robert Malone

Those are the

Those are the little ones

Like there's a huge number of dysmenorrhea and manometry Raja

What are those?

This is alterations in menses in women

Joe Rogan

So there is

There's a huge issue, there's

Dr. Robert Malone

And and they deny it

Joe Rogan

Menses menstrual cycles

Some women go into menopause very young, like I know, a girl who's 36 who got the vaccine hasn't had her

Period in eight months

Dr. Robert Malone

And then there is the women who are postmenopausal, that suddenly start bleeding

Yeah, so here's the thing about this, Joe

That kind of ties this together

I'm I'm I'm in the business

It's basically the part of what I do is like a detective

Figuring out 'cause I'm trained in pathology

Why is this happening?

What are the things that connect these things?

OK, So what is it that drives menstruation?

The answer is the ovary

The ovary is the controller

OK, through hormones

OK, what did we learn early on from the Pfizer data package, which by the way, when that was disclosed by Byron Bridal from Japan and sent to me was the first thing that really lit me up and let me know that something here was rotten

OK, and when I got that I picked out as Byron had done

I was given the task of independently evaluating it and then I took that package and I gave it to a more senior regulatory professional that I respect and I said these are the things I see

This looks really bad

He looked at it and he said, oh, you missed this thing that the other thing

OK

These these missing things include reproductive toxicology

Evaluations of teratogenicity. Birth defects

Standard stuff that's always done, genotoxicity not done

What was done was a cobbled together group of data that didn't even involve the vaccine

And used other miRNAs

In non GLP that's fancy talk for not done with rigour

Studies not done according to the rules

All cobbled together and sent into the regulatory agencies of the world to justify going ahead and giving jabs to everybody under emergency use authorization

That's the truth of it

That's the short version that's, you know, using common language

One of the studies they did do was administer these lipid RNA complexes

2 rodents

And showed the distribution of the synthetic lipid component

That's the fats that package the RNA that let it slip into your cells

It's a it's a synthetic chemical

Positively charged molecule

It's a fat with a charge on the end

It goes to the ovary

At a very high rate, like 11%

Of the lipids now, this wasn't supposed to happen

It was supposed to stay in the arm where it got jabbed, but it doesn't

It goes all over the body

And when it goes to two places that are really kind of anomalous bone marrow and ovaries, now the ovarian signal is really clear because it doesn't happen in testes

Now, so now you've got a molecule synthetic molecule

Going to an organ

The ovary

That controls menstruation

In a nonclinical model at rodent

And subsequently it's deployed widely in humans and you have this phenomena

Of alteration in menstrual cycle

Now, one of the things that was fascinating

I was asked to testify to the Hasidic Jew rabbinical court in New York

A lot of interesting things happen with that

It's like sitting around with 15 different candles

It's one of those bucket list things I guess

I'm talking to him

It turns out that the rabbis in the Hasidic Jew community carefully monitor

We don't need to go into how the menstrual cycle of the fertile women in their congregations

Closely monitor it because there is strict guidance about cleanliness and intercourse

And they had a major problem

Because they these these, you know these are all 60 plus up to 80 longbeards right here that had exquisite understanding about the menstrual cycle

In all the women in their congregations

And they all knew that these menstrual cycles were being disrupted all the time

And for them, this was a major crisis, because it meant that if you're if you're in the Hasidic community

Increasing the size of the population of acidic Jews is kind of important to you

It's centrally important to them, and this was a major threat to reproductive health in their communities

Now they they took all this testimony

They thought about it and they came out with a clear statement that children should not be vaccinated

This has the power of law in this Community should not be vaccinated in adults

It's strongly discouraged and part of the reason is because of these alterations in reproduction

And again, the point

And again, the point

What's the common variable is the ovary

This is why I say in my little statement that's gone all over the world

This is why I say in my little statement that's gone all over the world

This little 4 minute clip

That's kind of gone viral and triggered governments to attack me now like Israel in Spain and Italy

In in the same systematic pattern of you know

On trying to demean me and delegitimize me

That's why I say in that that

That think twice about giving these jabs to your kids

Among other things, your your girls are born with all the eggs they will ever have

And these lipids are going to the ovaries, and they appear to be affecting

Menstruation in some way

But menstruation is just one of these adverse events

You picked out some of the other ones

The fatigue brain fog, all kinds of things

Joe Rogan

I mean, to be fair, people get that from COVID as

Dr. Robert Malone

Well true, absolutely true, and that's another fascinating variable is we have COVID

We have M RNA genetic vaccines and we have DNA virus administered genetic vaccines. That's the J&J here in the United States and no virus, OK?

And they all have these symptoms of clotting, brain fog and other things OK

And so, as you know, this is basically does it walk like a duck, and quacks like a duck?

What is the common variable between those three very different systems?

Natural viral infection, M RNA, genetic vaccines?

And DNA genetic vaccines

Now we don't see these problems, by the way

Adenoviral vectored vaccines have been in development for

My entire life 30 years

Their licensed adenoviral vector vaccines

They don't have these problems

OK, so it's something that's not intrinsic to the platform

What is it?

The common variable is spike?

Just to cut to the chase protein, yeah

Joe Rogan

And so the spike protein is probably causing all these problems with people who have caught COVID and also

People who are getting the vaccine, but then the Lipo

What is it?

Lipo nanoparticle particles

Dr. Robert Malone

That's fine, that's

A good term how?

Do you say Idlib? I call them lip. Lexus lipid nanoparticles is another term

Joe Rogan

Living there nanoparticles

So so these are the ones that are affecting the ovaries

Dr. Robert Malone

No, it's the

It's the lipid part of it in particular that goes to the ovaries, not the RNA

Joe Rogan

And that that aspect of it is not affecting men, but with many of a higher incidence of myocarditis?

And why is that?

Dr. Robert Malone

Good question

What is driving the myocarditis so there's a couple there?

A variety of hypothesis about this

What we do know is that both the virus and these vaccines are associated with

Here's another fancy medical term micro coagulation or micro Coagulopathy

The latter 1 being a disease of micro coagulation, small blood clots OK

The latter 1 being a disease of micro coagulation, small blood clots OK

There are multiple ways in which that can happen

It's clear that Spike is associated with a variety of of mechanisms that caught the trigger coagulation, including an autoimmune 1

OK, so there's something about this

This protein spike

Is whether it's in the vaccine or not

It binds to the surface of key cells through a key regulatory protein called ACE

Two ace two is involved in controlling blood pressure vessel blood vessel tone, all kinds of stuff

If you activate ACE 2 on the little

Tiny smooth muscle cells that wrap around your capillary's

That control your vascular tone?

That's that's your blood pressure locally

OK, the ability of blood to go through those tubes

OK, that's controlled

Basically, you've got these little muscles

Souls cellular muscles

That control the contraction

It's kind of like peristalsis

If you know what that is, the the kind of process that can move something down a tube, like in our gut

You know the way we move food and waste material through our gut

And eventually excrete it

That's peristalsis

The thing that brings it down through our esophagus

Same thing happens with your blood vessels, and when ACE 2 fires off, it gets activated

It causes contraction of parasites and blocks

These micro vessels and if you get stagnant blood in blood vessels

It clots like that

That's what it does

OK

It's a normal homeostatic mechanisms, so there's that

There's the whole cast, so there's there's the effects on the local tissue, and there is direct effects triggering coagulation through a number of pathways

Now what can cause myocarditis pericarditis, a number of things, autoimmune processes which we also know are involved in some of the coagulation problems?

And this kind of process of clamping down on blood vessels

Which we know is happening

Joe Rogan

In the autoimmune response, is this also in response to spike protein?

Like what is what is causing the auto immune response?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's observed that it is happening and it's happening with these

RNA vaccines, it's happening with the adenoviral vectored vaccines

I don't know

I don't recall literature that it's happening with the virus itself, but it may very well

Joe Rogan

Be I know quite a few people that have had viral outbreaks post like things like shingles

Herpes outbreaks

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, now that's another one

OK, so now you're opening the pot

The compartment before we were talking about cardiac and blood vessels

Yes, and we talked a little bit about the brain

We didn't talk about the strokes

We talked about the brain fog and it's known that spike will open the the blood brain barrier is this

Kind of concept

It's a little loose, but it has to do with the structure of the cells that line the blood vessels in your brain and what it allows to go through and doesn't go through

Spike causes that to become more like an open sieve so things can go into your brain

That shouldn't go into your brain, so that can trigger brain inflammation and that

Is one of the that is the risk that people like Luc Montagnier are concerned about with neurofibrillary tangles, which and that's why they talk about prions or Alzheimer's like symptoms

That's part of what happens when brain gets inflammation because it's got stuff going on in there that's not supposed to have

Joe Rogan

So hence the brain fog

Dr. Robert Malone

The brain fog could be due to microvascular blockade

It could be due to this clamping of blood vessels that I was talking about

It could be due to leaky blood vessels

That's the blood brain barrier breaching hard to say multifactorial

All we know is

That is happening

Joe Rogan

And that's also something that's happening to people with COVID as

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, correct, I've experienced it myself

OK, when I had when I wasn't sick and not only brain fog

You can remember the broadcaster cummo when he had COVID he was talking about seeing hallucinations

That is, that is a common consequence of primary COVID infection is not just brain fog, but overt hallucinations

Joe Rogan

Now after the vaccines started to be administered, it was a couple months later

I believe that the Salk Institute published their paper on spike proteins

Dr. Robert Malone

Right, and I cited that in the Brett Dark Brett Weinstein Dark Horse Podcast and was immediately attacked by Reuters

For spreading disinformation, because I was speaking that the spike protein was a toxin and there's actually that's one of many papers that have come out since then

Or before

And I didn't say the spike protein on the vaccine

I said the spike protein and Reuters basically took my words, twisted them and then

Attacked me about

Joe Rogan

It is the spike protein in the vaccine different than the spike protein in the virus

Dr. Robert Malone

The answer is yes in a way that matters is the question

So the difference is now we're going to get into molecular virology

I'm sorry, but you asked the question

So Spike kind of you can think of it as having a stem part and a head group

Joe Rogan

Point your tie if you like

Dr. Robert Malone

Uh, yeah, right

There's these things sticking out here but but I wanted to illustrate that it also has this little

It's like catcher's glove that sits on top

That is the receptor binding domain

OK, so it's got these these elements that are really important to understand it

And this

This part of the spike protein that is kind of straight and thin

The stalk

Is responsible for the business part of what Spike does spike causes fusion between the virus and the cell

It's what enables the virus to infect the cell

And it's a complex set of events and it changes its structure as it goes through those

It's fascinating stuff if you're into those, OK

You can lock it into the pre fusion confirmation

You can make it so that it will not trigger cell fusion after binding with two little tiny mutations substituting proline

In the S2 domain

And that'll make it so that it can never trigger fusion, which is one of the things that it can do to bake toxicity that has nothing to do with whether or not it combined ACE two up here

Whether or not that catchers Mitt will grab on days too, by the way, spike exists as a trimmer, like a trouble folk, you know, on a on a fishing lure

So these two mutations are in this S2 domain. That's kind of the stem

And it makes it so that it can't fuse

And that's what's in the vaccine

But the rest of the spike is the natural spike

And yes, it does get cut off and it does go in the circulation

That's all been proven, and So what matters about that is all the things I've been talking about about Spike interacting with ACE two and turning on ACE 2

That can all still happen under that's changed

One of the attacks that's made against my staying

This is Oh no

They engineered spike so that it's non toxic

OK that fails two tests

Number one at the time they did this engineering I've I've carefully reviewed the papers

OK, it's all about making it more immunogenic

There is nothing in there about making it less toxic

OK, and

By definition, it will make it less toxic as a fusion fusion protein, but it won't do anything about it

The other parts of of spike and its activities

Then then there is this fundamental logic flaw

In in clinical development and non clinical development and safety and pharmacology

I like to say the French judicial system applies

What that is, is you're guilty until proven innocent

It's the job of the pharmaceutical companies to prove that their engineered spike is safe

They never did that

And so all of this

Pressure that comes back

You know from folks like me saying, hey, this isn't right

OK, and it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck

It's probably toxic because it's the common variable I get criticized because Oh well, you know

Well, prove that it's not safe

I'm sorry that's not the way it works

It's farmers job to prove that it is safe, not my job

To prove that it's not safe

I'm observing this safety signal

The safety signal is there, it is associated with

Vectors that express spike, whether it's the vaccine, the virus or the adeno virus

You know the M RNA, the virus, the virus itself, or the adenoviral vectored spike

Those toxicities are there

And the common variable is the spike protein, so you know and then then the comp comment

Well, it's not a toxin like I'm kind of in the Forrest Gump School of Toxicity

You know if it causes toxicity, it is right

It is a toxin, by definition it is, you know

The toxin is as a toxin does

You know we can argue about the meaning of toxin just like so much of the rest of our language has been perverted during this, but a simple explanation

You know, the simple definition is, does it cause toxicity in people?

I think the answer is pretty clear now

It does the question

They were all arguing about is how often and how

Joe Rogan

Bad. This is the question

So why do so many people take the vaccine and have no adverse effect at all?

Dr. Robert Malone

Great question, and that is a normal situation in any drug

We talked about Bell curves

There's a response curve

Humans are genetically complex and their phenotypic complex

I am not a judicial judicial, judicial, judicial

Joe Rogan

Choo Choo

Dr. Robert Malone

Champion right?

I am not the same body mass index as I was when I was 25

It seems that

The common factor across many people that get both the vaccine adverse events and the disease, and by the way, is a great paper out

That tried to dissect long COVID

And differentiate it from post vaccination syndrome, which is what we're talking about

And they did statistical analysis

Large cohort of patients

Basically they're indistinguishable

Long COVID and post vaccination syndrome in terms of the spectrum of the syndrome, their incidence kind of stuff

They're indistinguishable

Do the same thing

So why one of the factors that seems to be common?

Is this kind of hyper glycemic index?

People that are not necessarily diabetic, but they may be prediabetic or they have problems with carbohydrate metabolism or their eating

Too many sugars or whatever The thing is so they've got elevated hemoglobin, H1C etc. People that have high glycemic index indices seem to be particularly susceptible to these effects

Now that is a syndrome associated with an inflammatory state in blood vessels

You know this

What you're asking again and again because you are who you are, is in plain language

The big you know picture issues that are sitting out there that haven't been adequately addressed now

Joe Rogan

Not only haven't been adequately addressed, but when you do address them, you get demonized, even if you're just asking questions

As far as like what are the numbers, what is the data?

Where can I see this data?

Dr. Robert Malone

If you're an academic, you get run out

Yeah no, no

We've talked I I don't want to avoid

You talked about some of the other adverse events and you started talking about

The ones that relate to immune response, yes, and that is the the tip of the iceberg that most people are familiar with is the common CDC never talks about it, but it's clearly there in the literature

You know, in places even New England Journal of Medicine

It's clearly there in the various database

Is latent virus reactivation and the most obvious one is shingles

I mean, if you get shingles, I've had shingles

It hurts that you you don't

You don't miss it

When you get it

Epstein Barr virus, other herpes viruses, cytomegalovirus

What are these all in common?

Their DNA latent DNA, viruses OK so So what?

Latent DNA viruses

Well, we have a bunch of DNA viruses that basically hide inside our body

And they are kept suppressed

Matter of fact, there's a whole thread in vaccinology

We talk about immunosenescence, the aging of the immune system

Part of that has to do with the thymus and it's shrinking

That's what educates T cells by the way, that's one of the reasons why children basically shrugged this disease off

'cause they haven't had that fimic in evolution, but one of the things that happens is your T cells become increasingly focused on suppressing the DNA viruses that we've all been parasitized by

Like cytomegalovirus and so you can watch over time the the diversity of T cells in persons body who's infected by CMV over time as they get older and older their T cells get more and more and more focused on just trying to keep CMV in the box and not let it out

OK, so when we see DNA viruses you know Pandora's box is opening and they're jumping out of there

OK, well the thing that's keeps Pandora's box closed is T cell responses

And then we have, you know, I hope someday you get a

Chance to have Ryan Cole on

Pathologist deep understanding of this

As he points out, he's seeing

Referrals from oncologists

Of cancers that are unusual

They're occurring early

They're behaving irregularly

They're behaving very aggressively now

Right now this is still anecdotal

I don't want to get the audience all wound up, all going to die of cancer

Doctor Malone is not saying we're all going to die of cancer, OK, but

This is another of those little OHS

Because the thing that keeps cancer suppressed is T cells

Then we have the laboratory data that we're seeing abnormalities in the key signaling molecules that that T cells used to talk to each other to like receptors

That are associated in particular with the M RNA vaccines

So something is happening

OK that is causing release of T cell suppression

Reactivation of latent DNA viruses, maybe some signals relating to oncology

Some changes in T cell signaling behavior

And then there's this, this increasing awareness that there's some window of time

Not sure how long after vaccination when you're actually more susceptible to infection

And this may have something to do

So not only is the vaccine efficacy waning

But the multiple jab strategy is actually creating more and more windows where people have this period of T cell suppression

So there's a whole lot in this box of immunology, and what are the jabs doing to our immune system and how long does it last?

That is, let's say, gently, a little worrisome to some of us that have a background

Joe Rogan

In these things, this T cell suppression are

Are there any studies on the amount of time?

That it takes before your your system rebalances itself post jab, and seeing is it accumulative?

Like if you're dealing with three shots or four shots?

Dr. Robert Malone

That's this is this is the I'm sorry this is the obscenity

For me of this whole well, we're going to give four shots because we don't really know when we know we need to do something

I like to talk about the metaphor as a father

I don't know if you've had kids, I'm a grandfather

OK, you give a 3 year old a hammer and everything becomes

A nail

Yeah, OK, that's that's kind of a simple way of saying

People that aren't well trained given a powerful technology or tool will abuse it and overuse it

In this case, there's multiple reasons not to do the multiple jabs

The simplest one for everybody to understand is when your son develops seasonal allergies to ragweed pollen or whatever

And it's so bad that he can't go to school

His eyes are running

He can't play in sports whatever you're like, oh we gotta do something about this I'm gonna take him to rheumatologist allergist

And see what they can do

They do a bunch of tests and they say, oh, your son is allergic to ragweed pollen or whatever

The thing is, OK, what do they do?

Well they give him

What are those shots?

They're high doses of antigen

That are administered repeatedly to your child

And what it does is induces something that is immunologist

We call high zone tolerance

Hi, zone tolerance basically amounts to an ability by giving multiple injections at high levels of antigen to shut down T cells

Against in an antigen specific fashion

So there's that

The other thing with the multiple jabs is that these are multiple jabs that are mismatched

OK, they don't fit the current, yeah?

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you for a second before you continue?

So you're saying that by if, like if someone is allergic to things and they go to an allergist and they start getting shots, those shots shut down T cell response, correct?

So those shots by doing so and shutting down T cell response

The idea is that it kicks your immune system in and it's supposed to fight off these things

Does it make you more vulnerable to other diseases?

Dr. Robert Malone

They because they're using that antigen, OK, the ragweed pollen?

Joe Rogan

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's causing deletion or downregulation of the team memory population responsible for responding to ragweed pollen

So what it's doing is selectively shutting down

The T response against that antigen

Joe Rogan

And but what about everything else?

Dr. Robert Malone

No, generally not

Joe Rogan

It won't affect it, no?

Dr. Robert Malone

I won't say it won't affect it, but it the effect on the overall immune response is negligible in that this is done clinically routinely

OK, so there's there's those two things

There's this short term issue we don't know how long it lasts

There's the

The high zone tolerance issue

And then there is with their multiple jabs that are mismatched for the current circulating virus

That's akin to repeatedly taking a flu vaccine from two seasons ago and hoping it's gonna protect against this

Joe Rogan

Flu, well, that's one of the most confusing things about this push for people to get boosted now

With Omicron 'cause they keep saying with Omicron, we need to get, but that's a vaccine escape variant, isn't it?

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, among other things, so that if when you want to open that can of Omicron

Joe Rogan

Well, I want to say what we know so far is at least Peter McCullough said this and I believe several other people have said this as well, that the immunity that you may have had to the alpha variant or the delta variant

It does not seem to work very well against Omicron

That's true

Nor does the immunity imparted by vaccines

Dr. Robert Malone

By the way, since we're we're down, this little rabbit hole

Let me just say one thing Peter called me and he said Robert make sure you talk to Joe

And make it clear that although I spoke clearly and forcefully

About one and done when I was on his show that was before Omicron

Yeah, and so Peter wanted me to make sure that your audience

Knew no yes

Joe Rogan

Oh yes, we we've actually talked about that because I have several friends right now that have tested positive for COVID for a second time and that is post that podcast with him

He was pretty sure that if you got delta you would never get it again, but I know people that have had not I

Honestly I don't know anybody who had delta, which was the last

Phase I know people who had the original version of COVID who have now gotten Omicron

Dr. Robert Malone

In my case, I had the original Wuhan strain and I got infected with Delta and I had disease for about 3 days and that's after taking to the two jabs wow

So so yeah

Joe Rogan

And then how far after taking the two jobs, was it?

Dr. Robert Malone

About four months

Joe Rogan

Four months, yeah, four months

So that's still inside the window of efficacy

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, that window of efficacy seems to keep shrinking

Joe Rogan

Yeah, well

Dr. Robert Malone

So that's another thing

Joe Rogan

You say you're infected by COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, like nine months like yeah

Joe Rogan

Early on February, nine months, OK, but you still had a horrible reaction

Dr. Robert Malone

To it totally

Joe Rogan

And then even that

This is pure speculation

The waning efficacy of the vaccine

Does that have an effect on your natural immunity?

The natural immunity that you've had?

Dr. Robert Malone

So you're now opening up the big big

Can a whip pass?

Joe Rogan

Is that a D?

Dr. Robert Malone

80 So that's a whole another rabbit hole, and I like to call it vaccine enhanced infection or disease because 80 is just one subset

Of that

OK, but there is signs in some data

And we were

We were talking about this just before the broadcast

From Denmark, among other places

Of negative efficacy

Against omicron

As a function of the number of vaccinations up to three

Negative efficacy, positive efficacy means it protects you

Negative efficacy means your probability of being infected is higher

If you've taken the vaccine

And it's compared to unvaccinated

It seems to be somewhat higher

If you've had one jab, even worse, even more likely to get infected if you've had two jabs even more infect likely to get infected

If you had three jobs now, don't jump straight

To 80 E

Because the problem

Just to illustrate this confounding variable problem, which is what all the statisticians argue about endlessly

Is that?

There's all kinds of things that can complicate this interpretation

I'm going to give you the simple one

If somebody feels that they're fully Vaxxed and they're living, you know their young person in Denmark or whatever in Europe, they're more likely to go engage in risky behaviors

Such as maybe they go out clubbing

Whereas before they may have said no, I'm not going to go out clubbing you crazy

Now they feel like they're Superman

They've got

A shield right?

And so they engage in more risky behaviors, and so there's an example of a confounding variable, one of many

So that's the that's the I want to caution that I'm not saying that this shows that we're having vaccine

Enhanced infection, I'm saying that this is a risk which the FDA knew about

Explicitly identified told the vaccine manufacturers they should set up studies to detect whether or not it's happening

But didn't force them to do it

This is another one of the huge FDA fails here

They had the right and responsibility to ensure that we had good data about this and they took a pass

They said vaccine manufacturer

We think you should do this, but you know it's optional and so they never did it

No surprise

It's like first rule of clinical development

When you're in Big Pharma, you never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to

Unless you're absolutely forced to do it

That's why the FDA is supposed to do its job, but in this case with enhanced disease, a known risk of all prior coronavirus vaccine development efforts, including veterinary

Chronic complication with those efforts

The reason why I focused on drug repurposing?

We're going to need drugs

Best way we can get drugs is drug repurposing, yay

And then I got my team to focus on that

That's why we did that

FDA is known that this is a risk

Although vaccine ologists notes a risk, it's in the literature

We've all been kind of watching carefully, so I have is this risk and a manifest

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you for a?

Second, when you're saying statistically

It seems that one jab makes you more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated 2 jabs, even more so

Three jobs more so

Where is this date?

Dr. Robert Malone

It's coming

It's a series of analysis

There's a really active group of biostatisticians worldwide in right now that are picking apart the primary data that's coming out

There was a paper that was published from the Netherlands, as I recall

That had or or it was a publication from official publication by the government

That had the primary data and then this primary data has been analyzed re analyzed

Discuss on sub stack blah blah blah torn apart and rebuild

Now we put out a sub stack statement that summarizes some of this that you can easily find from us, but it's an ongoing debate, but the

The effect size is now now what the statisticians are arguing about is well, whether or not they had the right number for the denominator of total cases

This gets back to my point that the databases are all contaminated because the incidence of the virus in the population

Is a function of testing

In other words, you don't look for it

You don't see it, then you assume you're not having it right

And in the Netherlands they have one of the best testing systems, so they have rigorously testing everybody for whether or not they get in the virus, and so those numbers are a little

You know?

Sketchy, and that's what everybody is arguing about is is should we be looking at only the 12 and above cohort?

You know it's all this is, but the effect size is so large

That it's we can

We can argue about these confounding variables until the cows come home, but it's a big effect

It's going to be hard to account for otherwise

It is not in peer reviewed publications

This kind of stuff is wicked hard to publish these days and it takes months

Joe Rogan

So would the assumption be that there's something that's happening to people that are vaccinated where it makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of COVID?

Because this particular strain of COVID this omicron?

Is a vaccine escape variant, meaning that it's sort of tried to find its way around the protection of the vaccine so

Dr. Robert Malone

Now you're

Joe Rogan

And it's selected for

Dr. Robert Malone

That so now you're trying to impose a high

What you're doing is generating hypothesis, yeah?

Which is good

And one of many possible hypotheses, and so in a world a proper world where we are allowed to debate these things and do these kinds of studies and examine these kinds of variables without being right in social media, we would have a very active discussion about this hypothesis and many others

No, that's my my way of not answering your question

Joe Rogan

I understand well

Is there a mechanism that would point to one of two things, whether it is a a decrease in an immune response of a person who's been vaccinated, or some opportunity?

Dr. Robert Malone

So so let me throw out so you just hit

Let me go down the rabbit hole of that first comment

You made

OK, So what we're doing is with with administering a mismatched vaccine

Is we're driving the effector and memory cells

B&T

Towards a population that is focused on a virus that no longer exists

So it's not in in immune response

You don't get everything

End with what I think you know you didn't ask me the question, but I'm going to answer it anyhow

What is your hypothesis for the poor durability of the vaccines?

My answer is it looks to me like original antigenic sin

Well, that's kind of a cool

Terminology what that means?

Let's unpack original antigenic sin and I think what could be happening with these data as your

Just following your hypothesis, you just shared consistent with that

Is that we're driving the immune response towards responding to an antigen

The receptor binding domain, a spike that no longer exists with Omicron

It it is, become clear it was initially denied, but it's become clear that all of us have a background immune response against beta coronaviruses. These are naturally circulating cold corona viruses that have significant immunologic cross reactivity with SARS, Co V2

And the problem with that

In original antigenic sin, is that those existing memory cells will dominate the immune response when you get infected and when you get vaccinated?

Now let me unpack that in a way that kind of makes sense for the common person we all know

That well in war

The the homily is we're always best prepared for the last war

OK, in your life you're the sum of your prior life experiences, biases, how you respond to I mean in in your martial arts you must know this

Right, deeply what you've experienced in the past in prior fights is going to bias how you respond to a new opponent

OK, same happens with your immune system does that

Make sense, yes?

OK, super OK, you now understand original antigenic sin

OK, because the prior exposure of your immune system to an antigen that is closely related to a new antigen, you know if you are are are having martial art

With a person of a certain ethnic background or or physical characteristics or whatever, and they have certain strategies that they use, the next time you encounter somebody that looks like that and seems to move like that, you're going to say, oh, they're going to use the same kind of strategies your immune system acts the same way

With viruses

And it could be that they've they've got a whole different toolkit and you're busy fighting this war, and they come in and boom, you're dead, right?

Same kind of thing

OK, so we've got a new pathogen, but it's got a series of of overlaps with the old ones that we've seen before and our immune system is biased to respond

As if it's the old one now

To make matters worse, we're taking the spike protein

Only one of the proteins, the dominant

Immunologically dominant protein

And we're japon everybody multiple times

And driving memory cells and effector cells

That are two a virus that is not the one we're encountering

So it could very well be that as you're taking more jabs

You're further skewing your immune response in a way that's dysfunctional for infection too

Omicron, compared to somebody that is immunologically naive, they only have

Presumably they've either recovered from an earlier 'cause we gotta remember the baseline group, the non vaccinated group is actually complicated because it's got those that haven't had the virus

Before, but they've had beta coronaviruses

And those that have had prior infection are naturally immune

So that's you can appreciate that looking at these things kind of get squirrely

There's a lot of moving parts, but when you see a signal this strong

It's saying something is going on

You ought to pay attention to it

Joe Rogan

In my opinion, what is the difference between the spike protein that's generated from the injection of the vaccine versus?

All of the variables that your body encounters when it's been infected by COVID

Dr. Robert Malone

That is another brilliant question

I'm not saying this to butter you up

And thank you for asking it

That's, uh, that was a very broad question, and this is a peel

The onions, onion layers situation

I mean, you said what are the differences?

Let's start at a high level

When you get infected where I get infected

It's typically nasal or pharynx

It's coming in through the mucosal membranes of your

OK, and by the way, that's one of the other things that's kind of cool

About omicron

In a good way

Is that the prior strains infect mostly deep lung and there's really fascinating data from Hong Kong suggesting that Omicron is infecting upper airway more

That is a characteristic of less pathogenic influenza viruses

And hopefully what we know about Omicron is, even though it's more infectious

And replicates the higher levels

It's less pathogenic as a paradox, well that could explain it

OK, so there may be some good news at Nongkrong, but getting back to your question, when you take the jab

You get a

I don't know how to say a spike of spike

You get a bolus, a peak fairly rapidly

Of this viral protein

And it's in your body

In it circulating in your blood, we know that there's a Harvard study Brigham and Women's nurses spike protein circulation after vaccination

Joe Rogan

Can I pause you?

One one second I like when you test for kovid you go in through the nose

If someone is getting Omicron

Or are they less likely to test positive?

Because you're swabbing their nose, no

Dr. Robert Malone

More, all of these are initially coming in here

Joe Rogan

So it still would exist in the nose even though it's affecting the back of the throat

Dr. Robert Malone

It seems to be well, it's it's clearly producing equal or higher levels

Delta was significantly higher in the nose

By PCR with all of the caveats about the problems with that cycle number and Omicron seems to be even higher, significantly higher

OK

OK, so hit your nose and then it goes

Joe Rogan

Down, OK, and it's affecting the throat

For some reason

Dr. Robert Malone

It it is

Joe Rogan

A lot of the people that I know that got Omicron had a throat ache

Throat a soreness of the throat before

Dr. Robert Malone

That is, paradoxically, really good news

By the way, that's called primary data anecdotal primary data, but it beats modeling data from the CDC, which is what the New York Times has been reporting that we all have

By this point, we're all supposed to have 70 or 80% of all the virus in the United States is supposed to be omicron, that is based on what is now known to be erroneous modeling

And all of us that were inside when we saw this come out, we knew the group in the UK that did the modeling and we were like, oh, these guys have overpromised

They have basically put out scare modeling all the way through this outbreak and we should take this with a grain of salt

And now the press is all backpedaling and the CDC is backpedaling, saying oh

But I think we got it wrong and there's still a lot of delta in the population

But you know your buddies

If it's circulating here in in Austin and you're hearing people that are having more the sore throat and runny nose and less of the my chest is burning and I've lost taste and smell

Right?

Joe Rogan

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, that's just to kind of open that up a little bit

With H1N1 influenza just to take one example

We have high pathogenicity and low pathogenicity versions of H1N1. What that means is some will kill you and some won't

More or less

The difference seems to be the virus

The receptor, the nuances of the receptor that the virus is hitting and using to initially infect cells

And the low pathogenicity H1N ones infect the upper airway

And the high pathogenicity H1N ones infect the deep lung

The prior SARS, Kobe ones have been hit in deep lung

This report that you're giving me from your buddies

That you think is probably Omicron

Is consistent with the Hong Kong data

And it all fits into a box, and we know from South Africa for sure

That omicron in where you know the WHL made the statement

There are no known deaths associated with Omicron in the in the world

Now there may be a couple somewhere

Joe Rogan

I thought it was just the United States

I didn't know they were saying for the world because there there was a we

We just read something that said there were several that were associated

Dr. Robert Malone

Now there's there's as I said

Over time there will be deaths associated

Remember, we talked about the difference between causal and association

Joe Rogan

Right, yeah? And also the fact that 95% of the people who have died from COVID had an average of four comorbidities here

Dr. Robert Malone

OK and

You're on it, yeah so

And and now it's been documented at least two cases when there were reported deaths

From Omicron and people actually went back, they got picked up in the legacy media and circulated as Oh my God, it's going to kill us again

More fear ****

Then people went again like they did with the Ivy Mekton story

Remember about the hospital, it was all full of ivory mekton toxicity and then someone bothered to call the hospital

Same story, sorry Nope, those weren't omicron deaths

Just something that got reported and amplified in the legacy media, so regardless the mortality of Omicron is remarkably low

I think we can all agree on that

That's the list of symptoms from Omicron published in Nature, I think

Recently are pretty much 100% overlap with common cold

Joe Rogan

And there are coronaviruses that are common colds

Dr. Robert Malone

That's the beta coronaviruses that I was talking about when I was talking about

Original antigenic sin

Joe Rogan

So if you test positive for the common cold, do you test positive for a corona virus?

Like if you take a COVID test?

Dr. Robert Malone

The common cold is a is a

In general that's not

Tested for it

No, it's it's a it's a grab

Bag of stuff

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, it's rhinoviruses, it's coronaviruses

It's influenza

You know it's a lot of things

There's a lot of respiratory viruses that are floating around

But getting back on on track with Omicron

It is absolutely looking like Omicron is a mild variant

It is absolutely

Able to escape prior vaccination

The control of prior vaccination

Typically with mismatched vaccine

It seems to be also able to infect a subset of people that are naturally immune

Probably less than the subset that get infected with vaccination

But in this is a kind of a key message to your audience

The reproductive coefficient that's more fancy language

The reproductive coefficient

But many of your audience is going to know that that's the are not

The R nought of the original strain will hunt

Strain was about two to three

That means that if I'm infected on average without any other interventions, I'll infect 2 to three other people

OK, and for delta the R nought was more in the range of five to six if I'm infected

No vaccination, no social distancing, no masking, blah blah blah

The average rate of transmission would be, I would infect five or six people

In the case of Omicron

The arnaout, the rebase reproduction coefficient is in the range of seven to 10

OK, that is a wicked high

That is measles

What that means I'm going to translate that into simple language

We are all going to get infected

Whether you use masks or not, use social distancing or not unless you're going to go live on the Mir trail and not talk to anybody when you pass them

You're going to get infected

So this gets to the key point

You know, find a doc that'll administer early treatments

And you know what they are and you just had the expert on Peter McCullough

Joe Rogan

But it's incredibly difficult to get this stuff now, that's what's incredible

Monocle and runs

That was the next thing I was going to ask you about

Why would they do that?

When well, what is the percentage of delta versus Omicron out there, and how do?

Dr. Robert Malone

We know, so here that's I just alluded to that a minute ago, and this is another fascinating story, and it's kind of being covered up

It's starting to be covered by the press, but they're not going back to the cause

OK, remember I said that there was a group in the UK

Imperial College didn't give the specifics before, but it's a group in the UK that does modeling

And they came out with some modeling projections that basically the entire UK hospital system was going to be inundated with

And a lot of us looked at that and went

Yeah, those are the same guys that have predicted that we're going to have, you know, millions and millions and millions of dead and and they're going to be body stacked up

And, you know, coolers in the UK

And it sure looks like they may have overshot

Again, the CDC seems to have taken those modeling

Projections in those models

And they put out a member in mid December right before Christmas. Merry Christmas. Oh, you're all going to get infected by COVID and and it's going to sweep through and we're going to have 80% of COVID by this time of this month

Joe Rogan

How about that ridiculous press release from the White House?

That said, we're the winner of the unvaccinated death

You know, experience a winner of death, and the overwhelming hospitalizations

Dr. Robert Malone

All I can say is that the political genius behind that should be taken out in the behind in the woodshed and given a good weapon because that was just horrible political messaging

Joe Rogan

So horrible and in the terms in terms of Omicron, so inaccurate, yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

I contrasted

Yeah, but it doesn't matter, and that's that's that's the core thing

Of of this, chronic angst of of what the heck is going on?

This doesn't make any sense at all

You know, I don't want to get too off your topic, but

Our government is out of control

On this and they are lawless

They completely disregard bioethics

They completely disregard the federal common rule

They have broken all the rules that I know of that I've been trained on for years and years and years

These mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly

Illegal, they are explicitly inconsistent with the Nuremberg Code

They're explicitly inconsistent with the Belmont report

They are flat out illegal and they don't care

And the only thing standing between us

And it's too late for many of our colleagues, including my

You know, the unfortunate colleagues in the DoD

Hopefully we're going to be able to stop them before they take our kids

Joe Rogan

What's wrong?

What do you mean by the?

Dr. Robert Malone

DoD, the mandated vaccines for all the

Joe Rogan

They're mandated for everyone in the DoD

Dr. Robert Malone

Personnel forever, yeah

You know what's going on in the White House is a whole another hours talk

Joe Rogan

I'm sure it is back to Omicron and Delta

How do we know like what are the when you get tested?

Like when I was tested and I came out positive for COVID

I have no idea what I got

I assume it was delta 'cause that's what I heard was going around, but when they release these numbers, where are they getting that data?

Dr. Robert Malone

So in terms of this specific one, I'm sorry I got off track, so I was talking about Imperial College modeling, and the CDC seemed have picked up on

No worries

Dr. Robert Malone

That yeah

And the last data they had, it's actually Peter that sent me the data

We did a podcast about it

So he sent me the the modeling data

And and he sent me the documentation that the modeling data that the CDC was putting out in the New York Times and the Presinal amplified

You know when we all said oh we're going to have 70 or 80% omicron in the population by this time of this year?

The only actual data they had was up to about December 4th as I recall, and it showed only a tiny fraction of omicron in the population, but then they applied their mathematical models that they apparently got from Imperial College, and they said, oh, the curve is going to look like this, and therefore that's where we're going to be at this point in time, and therefore we're going to have 70% infection

And the press all picked it up and they just assumed that that was based on real data, not modeled data

What I'm hearing from docs in the field again and again, and you know, I had a bunch of people call me before I came on your show

Everybody was like Robert say this to Joe, but you know you're so important that everybody wants to get their angle in

What I'm hearing in the field is that delta is still dominant

And these are hospitalists and and people treating disease, and so they're seeing a skewed population

But it's important to remember that when the CDC says those kinds of numbers, they're talking about incidents, that is, that is the moment you know how many have actually been infected at that slice of time, but

What you see in the hospitals and this is something the press misses all the time

So they do like you're hearing all this fear **** about how the hospitals have filled up in New York City and blah blah blah

Blah blah OK

Omicron causes a short term limited illness

Delta is wicked bad, and it puts you in the hospital when it puts you in the hospital

You can be there for a month to two months

OK

What you're seeing in hospitalized cases right now appears to be dominantly delta

Because the CDC overestimated the fraction of the population that was getting they overestimated how aggressively omicron was going to move into the US population

Maybe that means our social distancing and masking is working

I don't know, but it's not moving in as fast as they had been projecting, and the bulk of the disease that the docs that I'm talking to are seeing in hospitals appears to be delta

Joe Rogan

But wouldn't that be because the people that are catching delta are the ones that need to be hospitalized versus the people that are catching omicron?

Dr. Robert Malone

Precisely OK

Joe Rogan

They don't need it

Dr. Robert Malone

But here's the rub and you I'm looping back now to your antibody point

Is the geniuses in our public health system said, Oh no Omicron, based on this modeling data?

Is going to be moving into the population is going to dominate things

We need to pull the monoclonals that are delta specific and only administer only allow people to use the monoclonals that are Omicron specific because it's going to drive further evolution otherwise

I guess that's their logic

Joe Rogan

But I haven't heard that logic at all

I've heard that is that the monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against Omicron, but I've never seen ivol

Dr. Robert Malone

That's that's you're saying you're saying the same

Joe Rogan

Thing I've also, but I've never seen any data that the

Monoclonal any letters

Dr. Robert Malone

There are data

There are data that the that it's in

Joe Rogan

Where's that at?

Dr. Robert Malone

Peer reviewed literature

Now there's

Joe Rogan

That it's ineffective against Omicron

Dr. Robert Malone

I wouldn't say ineffective, less effective based on laboratory neutralization assays

Joe Rogan

So in vitro correct OK

Dr. Robert Malone

OK, so you know Joe lab lapidot

Certain general

In the state of Florida

Has put out public statements now on I think his Twitter, among other things, saying decrying what the federal government has done of pulling all of the regular monoclonals

What I'm hearing from frontline docs is those those you know, older, Regeneron, monoclonals, et cetera

Are still very effective in their hospitalized population, presumably because it's still predominantly delta and yet they're no longer able to

Joe Rogan

Get it so the government has literally stopped the distribution of medicine

True effective medicine for a disease that exists currently

When has that ever happened before?

Dr. Robert Malone

Uh, hydroxychloroquine and

Joe Rogan

Yeah, but in this level where like hydroxychloroquine and ivory mekton were off label uses, this is something that has emergency use authorization

Dr. Robert Malone

The unlabeled unlabeled yeah

Joe Rogan

This is wild

Dr. Robert Malone

It is, uh, are they brain dead?

Joe Rogan

Are they trying to just encourage vaccine vaccination?

Dr. Robert Malone

Are they trying?

To kill

Joe Rogan

Is that what all it is?

Is this a money grab?

Dr. Robert Malone

So here's another

Joe Rogan

OK, what is that so?

Dr. Robert Malone

Version, I mean there's that when you see this kind of

Of public policy from logic

Then it causes thinking people like yourself to say what the hell is going?

On here, right?

And then we go down the rabbit hole

Is it this that or the other thing one of the things in that spectrum of what's going on?

The emergencies authorizations are predicated on

Policy determinations that were in a state of emergency

Those are now two years old

They're expiring

There there is

I'm not saying this is what's going on in their head

But there is another perverse incentive here

To amplify the fear ****

Into amplify

If you buy into the hypothesis

That for some reason

There are incentives for the government

To maintain the state of emergency

That is 1 explanation given that those declarations are expiring and will have to be re implemented if 'cause if they're not

Then all of this emergency use authorization vanishes, like dust

Joe Rogan

So are you saying?

Or are you implying that perhaps one of the reasons why they were moving monoclonal antibodies is to?

Enhance the amount of people that are

Dr. Robert Malone

Sick, I'm saying it is in the spectrum of the range of possible, just the same as the withholding of early treatments is inexplicable

Joe Rogan

And this is inexplicable in that we know that they're very effective

I, I've personal evidence that they're very effective

They work, they work great on me

The fact that there are moving this and that you would even consider

That the reason why they're doing it is to extend the emergency use authorization for political reasons is that's insane

That's terrifying

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's hard for me to reconcile

The behavior of the government

In its public health decisions with the data

And I'm I'm it's it's you

It's like there's two bins

Is it incompetence or is it maleficence maleficence?

Or are they is it is?

Is there some ulterior political motive?

Or they just

Dumb stupid

Joe Rogan

If if there's some political motive, if that's written anywhere, someone is going to jail

I mean, if that if that comes out, if that's somehow another gets leaked Jesus ******* Christ, that's scary

Dr. Robert Malone

That that, well, there's, there's you know

So I wish it was so

Joe Rogan

I wish it was so too

I'm saying that and I might be completely wrong

I made me totally naive

Dr. Robert Malone

Of what the lab leak?

Yeah, the the the you know the for me?

The disclosure of emails that Cliff Lane

Tony Fauci and Francis Collins actively conspired to destroy any discussion of the appropriateness of lockdown strategies and in the mainstream press hardly covers it

And there are no

There are no consequences

The document trail having to do with the gain of function research

And the implication of NIH

And by the way, dechra in that

Having absolutely no consequences for anybody

We're in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible

They this is modern media management and warfare

The truth is what the those that are managing

The Trusted News initiative say it is

Joe Rogan

That is wild

And for me personally, it's so confusing that I find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you want, because I don't know where else this is gonna get out

Dr. Robert Malone

I don't so so

Thank you

On behalf of, you know, in my case I'm the President of

The International Alliance of Physicians and Scientists. We are over 16,000 people from all over the world. Physicians and scientists

And you can find our website at WWW

Dot globalcovidsummit.org

We are gobsmacked about what's going on

And we are shut down, censored, demeaned

Fill in the blank

All over the world

Joe Rogan

And over a period of two years, the world is completely changed in

That regard

Dr. Robert Malone

And they're taking our licenses

And license to practice medicine

Because we are speaking about these matters and you can label me however you want to label me

I don't care. I've done what I've done in my career. I'm at a stage at 62 years old

I've got a farm

It's almost paid off

I raise horses

I love my wife

You know

I've been married a long time

My kids are both married

I got grandkids

You know, I don't need this

I'm there's this claim I'm doing all this because I seek attention

Trust me, this is not a fun thing to be doing

At this stage

Physicians at FLCC

In senior positions highly like

Peter McCullough, people at the at the culmination of exceptional careers

Paul Merrick

An exceptional physician by any standards

Run out of his hospital, demeaned, destroyed, actively attacked, trying to take his license

This is this medicine is being destroyed

Globally, people are losing faith in the whole system

They're losing faith in the scientific enterprise

They're losing faith in our government

They're losing faith in the vaccine enterprise

I mean what is going to be the long term consequences of public health when you have a large fraction of the population who wasn't anti vaxxer that perjorative before that are now saying Oh my God?

If this is how these people make decisions, I don't want anything to do with it

I certainly don't want it jabbed into

My kid

Joe Rogan

Well, that's one of the more disturbing things that the opposite of that is one of the more disturbing things about this pandemic is how people have just decided because they're scared and because they want a solution that the pharmaceutical companies

Have their best interests at heart and that they're not these

Machines that are designed to make money

And they they sell drugs and the drugs are often beneficial, but their main goal is to make money

And if they can fudge the data if they can move the numbers around

If they can delete negative consequences

Dr. Robert Malone

Pfizer is one of the most criminal pharmaceutical

Organizations in the world based on their past legal history

In fines

What are those fines include bribing physicians?

It is a cost benefit analysis in the Pharmaceutical industry about misbehavior

They are not grounded in the ethical principles that you and I as average people believe in

They don't live in that world as you appropriately point out

They are about profit return on investment

And furthermore

The Overlords that own them

BlackRock Vanguard State Street, et cetera

These large, massive funds that are completely decoupled from nation states have no moral core

They have no moral purpose

Their only purpose is return on investment

And that is the core problem here

That, and the fact that we as a society have become grossly fragmented through social media, electronic appliances, the stress of what we've experienced

And this leads into this whole issue of mass formation psychosis that Matias Desmond

The University of Ghent has promoted

That for many of us, when Matthias, you know, psychologist and statistician interesting combination, came made public

A lot of us as we listen to Matthias, we said oh that makes sense, that that was like the brain, that what happened when I encountered the trusted news initiative, I said, oh, you know, I don't know if you saw the Brett Weinstein podcast with me and Steve Kirsch

Where that lit this whole fire all over the world, Bret ends with the with the basically the question if you listen to the long version

What's how does this happen?

How how do we have this emergent phenomena?

The how question right?

And you know behind the how question is the why question?

That the

The the how question of a third of the population basically being hypnotized

In totally wrapped up in whatever Tony Fauci in the mainstream media feeds them whatever CNN tells them is true

Let me illustrate that the other day I was looking through New York Times recent articles about Omicron and Pediatrics in preparation for this, and for making some slideshows

And I saw this headline in the New York Times

Epidemiologist in a vaccine ologist in the in the title was

How you should think about children and omicron?

It was, it was blatantly saying this is how you should think we're going to tell you how to think

OK, people kind of gotta get that in their head

That's the world we're in right now

Now, what Matthias Desmond has has shared with us

Brilliant Insight is another one of those aahe

Now that

Part makes sense

Which is that?

This comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened in Germany

In the 20s and 30s, you know very intelligent, highly educated population and they went barking mad

And how did that happen?

The answer is mass formation psychosis

When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other

And has free floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense

We can't understand it

And then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis

They literally become hypnotized and can be LED anywhere

And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders

The ones typically that come in and say you have this pain and I can solve it for you

I and I alone

OK, I can fix this problem for you

OK then they will lead

They will follow that person through hell

It doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever

The data are irrelevant, and furthermore anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked

They are the other

This is central to mass formation psychosis and this is what has happened. We had all those conditions. If you remember back before 2019, everybody was complaining. The world doesn't make sense

Blah blah blah

And we're all isolated from each other

We're all on our little tools

We're not connected socially anymore except through social media

And then this thing happened and everybody focused on it

That is how mass formation psychosis happens

And that is what's happened here

Now there's ways to get out of it

Matias recommendation is you've got to get people to realize that what we've got is a situation of

Global totalitarianism

In his experience in Europe

Making people realize there's a bigger threat than the virus

Can cause a separation psychologically

In this fusion this hypnosis that has happened

The problem is then you're just substituting a bigger boogeyman from the current one

And somebody else can come in and manipulate that the real problem, and it gets back to your core point

We're sick as a society and we have to heal ourselves

And one of the things we have to do

Is come together

We have to recreate our social bonds

We have to

Buy into integrity

The importance of human dignity

And the importance of community

That's how we get out of this

And I think that this inside of Matias Desmond

Is really central to kind of making sense out of all of this crazy

We got a world in which the press is incentivized

To push a storyline because they're all controlled by the same large funds

That Pfizer is and so is tech

I don't know how we're going to get out of it, but it's got to start with us

All of us finding common ground

Joe Rogan

I think one way we're going to get out of it is by realizing what it is

And by the way you just explained it in the way Peter McCullough explained it when he was on the podcast

As well, this mass formation psychosis that we're currently experiencing

Most people are unaware that's even happening

All these events take place and it's this perfect storm

Of the social media aspect of it, the the fact that we are disconnected the the COVID, the separation, the isolation from society, the lockdowns

Also coming off of the four years of Trump where we're so polarized politically and this

It's become

Not just common but accepted to other people to to point at those the others

Whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats or the independents

Whatever you choose, whatever you choose to make, or the unvaccinated that was going to get to, yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

Or the OR the?

Joe Rogan

And that's one of the things that

I find very bizarre about the tribal aspect of this is that people want me to get vaccinated and like my friends who've been vaccinated, want me to join the team like go ahead, get the tattoo like what are you saying?

And I'm like I've gone through the virus

I have immunity

I also have antibodies

I just checked them last week like I could show you the test

A matter of fact, I have it right here

There it is

Dr. Robert Malone

And I had to be tested when I came in the front door at

Your shop here

Joe Rogan

Yeah, we test everybody, but the point being is it doesn't make any sense for me to get vaccinated

But they want me to join

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's worse than that

It puts you at higher risk

Yes, OK, they're asking you to take more risk

For your health

In order to join their club

Joe Rogan

That's what it is, and that's what it is, and it's a it's a tribal formation

It's people who don't have personal sovereignty and people who aren't confident with standing by their own thoughts and objectively analyzing things outside of, uh, an ideology outside of the tribe

Those people are very susceptible right now, and those are more common than not

Dr. Robert Malone

So Joe again, this is not me buttering you up

This is, This is why you're providing such a service to your country and to humanity

Because you're one of the few voices

That has a an audience

That is not Democrat or Republican or black or white, or vaccinated or unvaccinated

All these dipoles that we create artificially

And you are trying to speak to that persuadable middle

In and do so with with an open heart

In an open mind

And in a world in which all of the information is being so carefully manipulated

And so pervasively distorted

And and I, I'm grateful sincerely

My colleagues are grateful

And and I think the world should be grateful for your leadership

Joe Rogan

Well, I'm very grateful that there's courageous people like yourself that do put your reputations and your careers on the line by speaking out against this stuff when it is very difficult

And when you do get deep platform for doing that, they know that by censoring you, they're not

Just censoring you

They're also making others like you

Self censor

Dr. Robert Malone

Absolutely absolutely

I've been self censoring for months

I mean every morning when we post on Twitter, my wife and I, Jill Glasspool Malone, PhD, right?

I have this active

Can we post this?

Not you know how do we say this?

Right?

Dr. Robert Malone

So we're not going to get deep platformed blah blah blah blah blah

We're constantly self censoring

Joe Rogan

And it's crazy because you're self censoring about your area of expertise

Which is insane because the people who are censoring you don't have any education in it

Dr. Robert Malone

It yes, I agree it's insane

It's the world we're in

Joe Rogan

I'm just hoping that that clip where you explained this mass formation psychosis makes the rounds and I think everything you've laid out today is about as clear and as rational and as well documented as

I could have hoped and more so thank you very much for being here

Thank you very much for everything that you've done and Jesus Christ Twitter

Put the ******* guy back on

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it's OK, you know so

So you do martial arts

And so you get the idea of using your opponent's energy against

Joe Rogan

Him yes, OK?

Dr. Robert Malone

I was immediately contacted by multiple lawyers

I'm sure this this could be an excellent exemplar case

Joe Rogan

I think it is between you and Alex Berenson

Dr. Robert Malone

Who's already filed one?

Yes, OK, I've I've been through the legal grind

I don't want to sue anybody frankly, but it is

It just sucks the blood out of you

Not to mention your financial resources

I mean it's just a ugly process

I hate it

There's two hills that are willing

I'm willing to die on

One is stopping the jabs and the children

And one is

You know, resisting

The erosion of free speech

Which is the fundamental principle on which our democracy and our society civilized Western culture is built on?

I like to say when I give rallies do you remember back a couple of years ago when you felt sorry for the people in the People's Republic of China?

Their Internet was filtered

They weren't allowed free speech

Their government told them what to do and think

OK

Now here we are

OK, and the next thing that we all feel sorry about social credit system

OK

Wake up folks

Joe Rogan

Wake up it's coming

If we give into this and we give into vaccine passports and having an app on your phone that shows everything you're doing in in terms of your medical history, and they've even offered people extra credit, there was a article on Yahoo about having access to your browser history and they they framed it in this very positive way that having access to your browser in history may

Allow you to receive extra credit

So you would be available you would you

You would have credit available to buy a home or a

Dr. Robert Malone

Car so bingo OK we already know what social credit systems feel like

We call it a credit rating agencies, OK?

And you know what?

Those guys do

It doesn't matter whether or not if it's on, your record doesn't matter whether or not you did it or what the extenuating circumstances were, it's in their algorithm and you will get your score and your score basically will determine the tax on your access to credit in the form of the interest that you pay on the money that

They have been given by the federal government

OK, that's the way this ecosystem works

They get that money at a huge discount and then they decide how worthy you are to receive it

If you want to have credit

And so if you want to understand a little tiny version of the social credit system, it's right there in your credit score

Joe Rogan

I think the only thing that helps us here is that this may be the one subject where

Everyone loses people on the left

People on the right, people in the center, everyone loses if they impart a social credit system

If there is some sort of social credit app that you have to carry around on your phone that determines where you're allowed to go, what you're allowed to do, we're all gonna lose, no

Dr. Robert Malone

No, I disagree

The oligarchs win

Joe Rogan

A very small percentage of the population wins

Yes, right?

But I mean the the general public, the people, the people that are divided about COVID the people that are now othering each other and you know you losers who got the jab and look at you

Unvaccinated playgrounds

This nonsense is going on

Maybe this will be the one thing that unites us 'cause we realize that this

Is tyranny, or if it won't come?

Dr. Robert Malone

Welcome to the new boss

You know

Welcome to the new Overlords guys

And it's your choice I'm I'm gonna be dead

You know I'm I'm 62

It's it's my thanks, you're kind

Joe Rogan

You got some years in you bro

Dr. Robert Malone

That it's our children

Joe Rogan

Settle in it's

I mean, they're

There's they're challenged uniquely already because they are growing up with social media

They're growing up with Tik T.O.K and these invasive apps that are tracking all their movement and everything they do and buy and see and what they look up and they cross platform

They they share this data across platform

It's very sketchy stuff and that the fact that it's happened and it happened so quickly and that our data which seemed to be nothing became one of the most valuable commodities in the world

And that and that data is used to manipulate

All the people on the planet

Dr. Robert Malone

So we're touching on some deep stuff about the kids and I'm forgive me for an unabashed

For the Unity project, which I serve as chief medical and regulatory officer for so that's

Unity project online

Com or org it's com

We're totally focused on the kids

And if you go on that site

You'll see a podcast that I did with a pediatric

Psychiatrist out of LA

And a pediatric

Cardiologist who's also a pH

D in vascular inflammation, Kurt milhoan

And I got those two guys on to talk about what's happening to our children

In particular

The psychological damage

Of these lockdowns this mask use

The school policies

The bullying of children who are unvaccinated

The psychological damage is huge

We're having a worldwide epidemic of suicide in children

We are having a huge surge of drug abuse in adolescents

We're having demonstrable drops in IQ and fundamental developmental milestones

In the very young

Like 20 IQ points

OK, children have to see faces to learn how to speak and to interact socially

You're talking about social intelligence, which you're deep in

And connectedness we're raising a generation of children in that have been blocked from their ability because their brains are developing extremely rapidly at this age

The ability for their brains to assimilate the information necessary for them to become functional citizens

And parents

We're destroying it without a second thought

And the damage is going to last for generations and

Is if that's not bad enough, we're allowing the state to insert itself into the family

And make decisions by mandating vaccination

OK, This is why this these childhood vaccines mandates are obscene

We're setting up a situation in which children are going to see peers who have been vaccine damaged as a consequence of the policies that their teachers and their government have forced on them

The the damage here

Is going to be with us for generations

I'm not being chicken little here

This is deep, profound stuff

It's way beyond myocarditis

In no one seems to care

No one talks to children

There was a big breakthrough

We all celebrated a week ago, Face the Nation

What on the on the annual Roundup of of stories that have been underreported?

One of the speakers got up journalists and and said to the other group, I think one of the most underreported stories has been the damage that's happened to our children

Joe Rogan

I saw that

Dr. Robert Malone

And did you see what happened with the other journalists?

Nobody said a word

They moved on

It was hardly covered in media

Joe Rogan

Well, she even glossed over the damage by the vaccines

Dr. Robert Malone

Agreed, how she?

How could she speak about the vaccines?

I suspect she may lose her job

She's not gonna be invited back on that program again

I doubt

I mean, how could she speak about the damage of the vaccines?

It is already

Joe Rogan

She did she really just briefly touched

Dr. Robert Malone

On this and she

Yeah, so so

Probably 'cause it's dangerous, insanely dangerous to speak truth to power right now

Joe Rogan

Before we wrap this up, why is the vaccine uniquely dangerous to children?

Dr. Robert Malone

Good question that the and I'm not completely so

The data

Here's the problem with the myocarditis bias in children in

The data set, particularly boys

One of the things there is clearly an androgen component to the risk of both the vaccine and the disease of the the virus

And that's why anti androgens, by the way Pierre Corey shout out to him for a champion of anti androgens, androgens being added to his math plus protocol

OK, particularly for men

Why are boys there?

There's probably a component of that that has to do with an artifact in the data

That being that, when a sold coudures in general, is a population have a much higher risk of cardiac events, and so if there's a heart attack in in one of us

It's really hard to say

Is it just because we're old?

Or is it a vaccine related?

OK, so then the vaccine if there are vaccine related events buried in that

We're not going to see him statistically

It's really hard to pull it out, whereas kids don't have heart attacks and they don't have strokes, so you can see those things really clearly against the background of virtually nothing, so that's it may be partially an artifact of reporting and bias because of confounding variables, and it may be there

Other effects

In terms of your broader question, moving outside of the myocarditis, why are children more susceptible to these adverse events?

I think they're not

I think the problem is that we're seeing it in the kids, but it's present in the adult population also

I think there is a significant reporting bias going on against reporting adult vaccine injury

I think that we have more in in how why would I say that?

Oh, because I'm a vaccine denier

I'm a bad guy and I have some perverse incentive to have that media hit me know we have these reports from hospitalists and nurses, the ones that often it's the nurses

They're able to speak for some reason

The nurses are disclosing things that they're seeing in their hospitals, and the physicians are all shutting up

Is it because they have financial incentives or because they're all owned because they have such debt burdens?

I don't know

But the nurses are speaking out and they're saying, hey, we're seeing strokes and heart attacks in these other types of problems that are known to be associated with the jabs

Well, it's hard to say

Because we got the virus in the in

The vaccines overlapping, you know, is it chicken or egg?

We know that they're happening

We know that the deaths are happening

That's like the the

Excuses that are made about the sudden deaths in high performing athletes

That are being observed all over the world, particularly in footballers

That where they're just suddenly dropping, is it because they've been infected or they because they've been jabbed?

In and I think it's a mixture of both

But if it's from the vaccines, the thing about the vaccines is that's in, you know we have this principle we used to

Of do no harm

In in

If a if a virus naturally infects you and you have a damage from it, I haven't caused that damage as a physician

If I'm recommending that you take a drug

An intervention they didn't need to have

You may or may not have gotten infected, and it causes damage

Well, I got to kind of own that

As a physician, as a representative of the medical industrial complex and a participant in it

And so

For whatever reason, there's an underreporting bias

Clearly, in the adult population

And I think that people be me a little more sensitive to adverse events and deaths in their children

Joe Rogan

Robert, thank you for everything

I really appreciate you

I appreciate you being here

If people want to read more of your work now that you've been banned from Twitter, where are you?

Where are you?

Are you still on LinkedIn or you gone?

Dr. Robert Malone

From LinkedIn

Still on LinkedIn I'm I'm really cautious on LinkedIn

I'm like I'm on getter

Joe Rogan

Sub stack

Dr. Robert Malone

And I'm on sub stack, so that's RW Malone, MD

And who knows?

Joe Rogan

Sub stacks probably the best place though, right?

The least censored

Dr. Robert Malone

It's the the problem with sub stack

Yeah, it is least censored and and I would love more sub stack subscriptions, but I have a financial conflict of interest there so I don't want to pump it

But that is I try to use sub stack for more in depth intellectual pieces

Thought pieces, not just I mean Alex bless his heart

He blasts everything out as if sub stack is Twitter

It's not my style, right?

So I'm going to be using getter for that thread getter

What is that?

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, that's a that's a Twitter alternative

We don't know about getter

Yeah, no, it's it's

Joe Rogan

Been waiting for one though

Dr. Robert Malone

Yep, so I'm using getter and and again at at RW Malone, MD

Joe Rogan

So is it?

Is it spelled like?

GTR GT GTR

Do you want it, Jamie, no GTR

Dr. Robert Malone

Yeah, so getter is is branded as the Twitter killer

It is explicitly a Twitter alternative

Joe Rogan

Is it all right wing crazy people?

Dr. Robert Malone

No, it's it's a lot

It's a lot of people that have been, it's yeah

Joe Rogan

That a lot of people that kicked

Dr. Robert Malone

It's it started off

It's yeah, it's it's

It's weird, you know

They are committed to not censoring beautiful

Joe Rogan

Well, I support that entirely

I mean, I just did

There's a problem with some of these that they do get infected by people that were shitposters

You know, with shitposters are people just yeah

Dr. Robert Malone

I mean, I've I've been on social media a

Long time

I'm sure I used to be on Yahoo stock chat boards

Joe Rogan

You have

Dr. Robert Malone

That's kind of where I cut my teeth

Joe Rogan

Well, Robert, thank you very much

Just thank you for everything and I hope this

I hope this helps

Dr. Robert Malone

Thank you, thanks

Joe Rogan

We really do

Dr. Robert Malone

So seriously

Thank you for your service

To your nation and to the world

Mr Rogan

Joe Rogan

My pleasure, thank you. Thanks for everything. Bye everybody. So folks we we actually went outside and talked and Robert realized that he had forgotten to tell everybody about this rally. And then I picked up Snoop who's with me now. So there is a rally January 23rd

Where is it you wanna give us the?

Details why shouldn't?

Dr. Robert Malone

Motion in DC between the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial. So this is the defeat the mandates an American homecoming rally and thanks a lot for letting me put the plug in. The website is www.defeatthemandatesdc.com

So this is not about being anti vaccines, it's about being anti mandates and our hope is that we bring people together

I know that's one of your core messages

People from every walk of life, every party, every religion, every ethnic background

Democrat Republican vaccinated unvaccinated the thing that we can agree on is personal liberty and the right of people to make their own choice

And that's what this rally is about, is to resist these mandates of the vaccine

Whether you believe in it or don't believe in it

I hope that you believe in the integrity and freedom of your fellow man and woman to make their own bodily choices

So this is going to be part of a same day worldwide rally for freedom that's going to come across the entire world

This is in Australia, in Europe, in UK

And in the United States, for the first time

So we ask that you join us, we're we're asking our our objective is to end the vaccine mandates and also no vaccine passports

No vaccination for healthy children, no to censorship, no to limits on reasonable debate

In this censorship and and propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with, we believe in the power of natural immunity

We believe and insist on informed consent, and we insist on allowing doctors and patients making decisions without interference together

So, Joe thank you for allowing me to correct my grievous

Error here

Joe Rogan

No worries, we realized it. So one more time with the website itsdefeatthemandates.com

Dr. Robert Malone

No, it's

Feet the mandates D c.com and you can find all the information. January 23rd. It's a Sunday join not just with people in the United States, but from all over the world for our common good

Joe Rogan

Beautiful thank you

Thanks again everyone bye

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