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What drove you to this?
You know, like I I I think that there was like a point in my life to where I kind of just
You know, kind of put it all together like wanting to help people you know, like the way forward. There's always a way forward. You know my my life's been such a shitshow so many ways
And obviously Rob has to
That was one thing we could relate on
Is like you know, we both came from two different places, did two different things, but like there's always a way forward and you know, focusing
On what matters was there a time in your life where you?
Didn't think there was a way forward where you
Yeah, yeah, I mean I, I wrote about that in my first book about, you know, a time that
I just didn't know if there was a way forward, but you know what would I?
What I learned was, is like you know, when you don't see a way forward, it's because your purpose is yourself and it's not other things, right?
People that people that are lost or I feel like when I'm lost is when I'm too busy focusing on things for me and my
My purpose is me and it's not like the things that are around me
The things that matter
Like I went, what do you mean?
You know, like my kids, like my friends, my circle, right?
Like doing something bigger than me like focusing on something that's that's bigger than than just, you know, trying to survive like?
OK, well I'm going to go pay my bills, so that's not really a great purpose, right?
But but finding something bigger that you could believe in
Like you know, being a firefighter or being a good dad or you know just the trying to have goals of fitness or start a company or all those things, right?
So did you feel like that at one point in time where?
You were only thinking about yourself and you didn't see there was any point to at
All is that what you?
Yeah, yeah, I mean I got other marine core and
You know I got out and it was all about me, right?
It's like, oh, you know I, I served this country
This country owes me now
You know 'cause look when you're in the military, you're
The whole time you're told you're a hero, yeah, you know, I mean like oh everybody, just they're they're you're just you're just greater people you know or all these things you sacrifice for this country this country owes you and I hate that word owes
Right like oh, the only thing we owe is the bank
You know that that was where I was at and I was walking around blaming all my problems on, you know, well, you know, I mean, you know I'm drinking all the time
Wasn't alcoholic, but just drinking all the time trying to, you know, overcome the pain of you know the stuff that I've seen
The things that didn't make sense and and then you know when you would try to question me or hold me accountable be like, well, you didn't go through what I went through
Right, and so how you gonna argue it?
You know, when I was surrounded by that I was that was the victim I made myself the victim of of life
And you know at that point was where I got the lowest, right?
Like I, I just, couldn't you know?'cause at some point like people were going to, they're going to try to help you like that's the great thing about the world
Is people going to help you?
People want to help?
But they can only help you so far, like they're not gonna drown with you, especially when you're not choosing to to get better
And that was where I was at, you know, like just drinking all the time
You know, being I was, I was an ******* like
I mean, I'm still an asset, but just a different way
I was an ******* and just
You know blaming, blaming the world for my problems when really I was the problem
You know, I just didn't have anything bigger than me and I would surround myself by people who would who wanted to coddle me, right?
Like all Dakota, you know what you've gone through?
You know you you deserve, you know you're it's it's OK this is normal for what you've gone through and it's like no, no, no like
That's what America is about
Is the comeback story right?
Like everybody is going to go through their problems
Everybody is going to have their lumps, but America, they they want the comeback story
You know what was it that made you turn around like, did you have a moment did did?
Is it something you read, is it?
Something you learned
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No, I am, you know. So I was living at my dad's house. I was living with my dad. My dad is just an incredible man
And one night I was out drinking somewhere and I was driving home on this road and I just seen like the pain I was causing the people around me right like
My dad was never gonna kick me out of the house, but I I mean
I just seen, like the disappointment, right?
Like the disappointment in people that I was that I was bringing and I was driving down the road one night and
I just say look, this is it like I'm done
I pulled over at my buddy shop
He had a welding shop and I 'cause I knew that I didn't want to inconvenience anybody to have to
Well, where's he at this huge search? I knew he would be in at 866 to 8:00 in the morning. He comes in every day
I pulled over and
Parked right in front of the Bay door and
Pulled my gun out and I stuck it to my head and squeeze the trigger
And like somebody had unloaded that gun, I'd shot it that day
Actually, I'd shot this Glock 40 that day
And it was the loudest click I've ever heard my life and probably the quickest sobering thing that I've ever seen
And so I sat there and
I just told myself that if I'm going to continue to live life like I am and waste it
Then I know how to load this gun
I need to just track it back
And get it over with
But I just made this deal with myself that if I'm gonna put put the car in drive and go home
That, like this is not an option ever again
You know God gave me a different, had a different, different different outcome for me and I drove home and ever since then I mean, I mean, you know, look, I think we all
I think we all
Go through moments where we don't know like there's always these moments where we don't know if we can get out of it right?
Like that's normal, yeah
But for that to stay that way
Is not normal
That was, you know, I
I like slowed up on drinking
I didn't stop
Obviously, I didn't really slow up as where I needed to be until I had my child
But I got a lot better, right?
I started surrounding myself with different people
People who weren't going to buy in and support
Moment when the gun went click
Like in your mind, is there like a clear change between before that moment and after that moment?
Was there like a?
I mean, was it, uh, there was
There, uh, was
It like a realization was, it was just like you felt like you got a second chance at
Life like yeah, I mean look I've
Yeah, I mean I've been in so many situations where I was supposed to die, or I thought I'd like
At least five or six situations where it wasn't that I thought I was going to die
It was that I knew I was going to die
In combat situations
The combat situations, right?
It's totally different experience though
You know this one was like
As I get like like why?
Like you know, and I think at
That moment I realized
That I was only feeling sorry for myself because if my teammates like if losing my teammates
You know, I mean, it sucks like it still sucks
Like I, I sometimes I don't even know if I have even
Came to the realization that I'll never see my guys again
And I don't know why
It's kind of weird, but you know, I don't know why
I think that like I just realized that I need to live a life if I don't want to do it for myself, then I need to live a life that's worthy of their sacrifices
Right, like how stupid is it?
How selfish of
It of me
Someone who has seen what the cost of freedom is or someone who has seen the sacrifices that people have gave who don't get it, don't get it
Tomorrow they gave there today so that we can have it tomorrow and how selfish of it is for me to walk around and and and, you know, be a drunk ******* And that's the representation that I'm going to represent
Their sacrifices like it's, it's just
It's such a
It's just not right, and that was at that moment that all that started to come together
No, no, I just feel sorry for myself, not them
They don't feel anything
So I'm feeling sorry for myself and as I'm doing that, I'm wasting days that that they I guarantee they wish they had
It's such a common problem with veterans
I mean, I believe at one point in time I don't know what the the status is now, but at one point in time more veterans had died by suicide in Afghanistan then had died from combat
Yeah, I mean I've lost
Since being home to suicide than I ever lost in combat
Let's see what the number is, so if you can find
There I think just just Google more veterans die from suicide than combat, 'cause I think that was
What they were trying to drill into people is that asking people to go over there and fight and to see the horrors that they see and to to see friends die and loved ones die and then ask them to come back and have life just be normal
Look at this four times as many troops
And vets have died by suicide as in combat
Yeah, holy **** yeah
So this is not a an uncommon problem
It's a it's a giant problem
Yeah, it's I mean
It's a huge problem, they don't
I don't mean I don't know what kind of training they give you when you're about to leave the military military
Or when they're when you're returning from combat
But do they try to give you any sort of an understanding of how to cope with this?
Kind of stuff
Yeah, I mean you know it's it's obviously gotten a lot better, right?
I mean, it was more the tough love
I mean, it's more the more that mental health is accepted
I mean, I mean you look, I mean to be honest
I mean as men10-15 years ago it wasn't something it was looked at as weak, right?
You didn't hear a lot about it
It seems like somewhere along the line
I mean, I don't know what the statistics show, but it seems like somewhere along the line it became way more common to know people to kill themselves
Yeah yeah, I mean and I I didn't understand
I didn't know about it until obviously the military right?
I mean, I went in at 17
But no, there wasn't a lot of talk about it and
You know, the more, the more we were in combat, the more you started to
See it right and we
Yeah, I mean this thing of PTSD, but I mean PTSD is something that that the world suffers from
It's not something that's only to veterans, right?
Don't you think that veterans have it in a larger experience?
If you experience combat, I mean the amount that they have
I mean so many guys that I know
Like yourself for
My other friends that are veterans they just have
Memories that they can't shake
I think that you want to talk about the group of people that have it the worst
Is our first responders
Cops klimts yeah yeah
Cops, firefighters, EMTs like like
The stuff that I've seen as being a firefighter
Sometimes, like combat was, it's no comparison
Really yeah, I mean and so
You know, in in over there the mind like the, you know the mindsets, different right like like I mean most of the people that we were part of
Like we were there to fight, right?
So it's it's like it's it's almost like you know watching someone in the Octagon fight versus watching someone on a street fight, you know, get jumped right
It's a different ball game and
Everybody suffering right?
I mean, and so I think that like the mental health aspect, yeah, I mean, it's a huge huge thing
But I also think that
That the mindset
The approach that we take on it is important as well, right?
Like like I don't need to
I don't need to
I don't need to be coddled right like OK, I have
I have PTSD check
But that doesn't give me like a card to blame
Well why I'm an alcoholic or why I'm not getting help or or why I hit my wife or why I'm in fight so you know I mean like, well, let's get help like like let's get help and let's want to get better
You know there's just a fine line of
Of using it as an excuse versus as what's what's real on it right?
And no one can identify that, but it's like at some point you have to look in the mirror and want
I mean look Jocko talks about extreme ownership, right?
You have to look in the mirror and at the point that you can take responsibility for your actions, you can then change them
So when you think about PTSD and you think about the effect
That it has on you
Being a firefight, does it compound all of the the PTSD that you experience as a combat veteran?
I mean does it, is it?
Yeah, I don't know like how was that this was a conversation I was having this morning
I I don't know like
For me, I've changed my mindset for me
Yeah, I mean there are some stuff that bothers me
I mean, obviously I look every time it changes you
Or for me it does and
But now I look at it like when I come in and and and I'm with
I'm there when somebody you know passes away
I I look at it as an honor
Right like I I got to share that moment with them and as long as I can do, I'm doing whatever I can to make that moment
Better for them
Then that's all I can do right, and I'll do whatever it takes to make that moment better
But at some point
We have we really have no control of anything in life
We have some control, right?
But yeah, those kind of experiences like the experience of seeing someone die
For a lot of people it it doesn't just change you, but it it makes you
I don't know
What the best way to say it is?
But you're just devastated by it and every time it happens, it becomes compounded
It's more and more and more
And is there like one of the things that I've thought about a lot with police officers 'cause I feel like
Like there's bad cops
We all know there's bad cops just like there's bad everything else in life
But I think that most cops are
The experiences that they have in situations where their life is threatened
Situation where they pull people over
They have no idea if this person has a gun
If this person is a criminal, they they
They just don't know there's so many moments in their life where they
They've I'm sure they've seen all the YouTube videos
That I've seen
You know where cops get shot at and cops get killed and run over by cars and all that crazy ****
Yeah, like that that has got to be always chipping at your mental well being
Yeah, I mean well you're, I mean, you're always living in that that that sense of of that fight right that?
Fight or flight
And yeah I mean look I
The respect I have for cops is just
It's astronomical, right?
Like you know, being on scenes and and seeing like look, we're we're as firefighter
We're kind of like the way the way I would describe it is is cops are kind of like the dad
Of of of
The country, when they show up like nobody is happy like there's never a time that people are like
You know, like somebody is going to be mad, right? Somebody is mad when the firefighters show up. We're kind of like the cool uncle's. You know what I mean?
Yeah, somebody's gonna
Like we we really
Can't what are?
We going to do wrong, right?
You're gonna help
Yeah, and then you know when EMS shows up, they're kind of like the the moms, right?
Like they're they're the caring they're going to. They're going to fix it. They're going to. They're going to they the empathy's there
And I'm not saying that all three don't have empathy
I'm just saying that they all have to hold themselves in a different way because they're all there for different role and
You know, being a cop, you know look those, those guys are just
They're incredible because they could go from
Coming over and and you know, miss miss whoever miss you know Miss Nancy or whatever Miss Smith you know she's
Having you know she might think somebody's at her house, or you know, maybe the next door neighbor is a little too loud and you know he's gotta handle it one way and then the next person that he pulls over
He could walk up to a car they could walk up to a car could
Pull a gun
And shoot him yeah and and and they have to be ready
For everything right?
Yeah, those guys are just
They're they're different
They have to live a different
Life, you know, totally different life than everybody else
And we expect them to just be able to do it and be able to handle it
When you know and the factor we don't take into account
Is the humanisation factor right like?
I mean, are you always on when you're having a bad day?
You know I mean like like the there, you know they their kid could have been late from school
They could have a sick kid
They could be arguing with their wife, sure
I mean like her husband or whatever right?
And and we we don't ever look at that
And say, you know
Well, what did they just go through?
What what, what, what's going on there?
Like they they literally show up?
To fix everybody else's problems
You know, while they have to deal with their
And they're scrutinized on how they do
It not just scrutinized, but you know they FCK up
It ruins their entire life
Yeah, you know, every
Is on the
Line, yeah, it's some, it's a
Very very very difficult job
And I don't think it gets nearly the respect that it deserves, and all we concentrate on is the ones that suck the the cops that suck at their job
The cops that are ******** or the cops that are abusive and that's what we think about
We did, you know?
We think about cops that plant evidence cops that shoot people unnecessarily
That's all we
Think about because they're the only ones
They get attention, right?
Like they're the only ones you see
I mean, it's kind of like everything
It's kinda like everything like like you only see the bad ones
The media loves to focus on the bad ones because guess what?
Feet and fear
You know, I I truly believed it
Look and and love will go further than hate and fear
Love, love, love100% Go further right and
But hate and fear every like
Think about anytime you feel fear or you hate
That was put into you by somebody else 90% of the time. Like look at this stuff we're scared of
Because somebody told us
You know what I mean?
It's like like what?
Kind of stuff
Do you mean I mean like?
I don't know like
Sometimes I you know I'll get anxiety about
Well, I mean, we're just like right now like, well, you know
Well, let's go pull our how about this toilet paper
You get anxiety out toilet paper
No, I'm no
I'm saying like no, no no
I'm saying like no
I'm saying like whenever whenever the pandemic hit
Right, you know?
It's contagious, right?
Like freaking out fear is contagious
Somebody seeing somebody go buy toilet paper and it's like then they say you know toilet paper is all out right like
Like it's it's all
These things are contagious and it's like fear sales fear
I mean what like if you thought about it
What was toilet paper going to do for you in this right?
And at the end of the day?
At the end of the day, like we could live without toilet paper, you know what I mean?
Like it's not a survival instinct
I think what happened during the pandemic was people were tested in a way that they had never been tested before
Like we had, we had never experienced a moment in our life where there was a real fear that society was going to be completely disrupted and that, uh, a disease was going to ravage everybody, and even though it turned out to be a terrible disease
It wasn't nearly as bad as what we were fearful of
What we were fearful of was some kind of plague that would just wipe everybody out, and that I think that initial mindset that people had was very difficult to shake
Even now that you know COVID this new variant, this omicron is not nearly as dangerous
It's much more contagious
But not nearly as deadly
There's some people that still want to treat it like it's the thing that's going to kill everybody
They still want to have this sort of same mindset because that's the initial mindset they have
So I think when people were stockpiling toilet paper and stockpiling food, there was a fear, fear, mindset, a mindset of the unknown
That gripped people that a lot of folks are just not
Willing to let go of
Yeah, yeah, I mean I yeah
I mean, that's a whole
That's a whole thing that I don't
Yeah, I don't understand
You know what I mean?
Well, you know you've experienced a lot of like real danger, and you know real life threatening situations
But we're all at different
You've seen people you've taken lives
You've seen people you know lives leave their body
It's a, you know, the level
That's the thing that I, one of the things that I truly appreciate about veterans is you don't
To do what they do, unless you've experienced massive amounts of diversity just getting through
I mean you're talking
If you're talking about someone who's a seal just getting through buds
I mean, what ******* percentage of human beings that walk around could do that very few?
They're different humans, you know, and it's because they've overcome adversity
And for some people
Any kind of thing that throws their regular routine off track will **** them up
Hey Jamie, can you tell Jeff to bring in the coffee and and cups with water too with?
No cups for the water
Yeah, I mean but but don't you think that like?
You know the people who haven't
I mean, the only way you know you don't have you don't get exposed to adversity
Is by fear right?
And so again, yeah, whatever is holding you back from doing what you want to do
Or trying things or experiencing things, yeah
It's never as bad
I mean, obviously there are some things that are as bad, but most of the time
You know you've been so worried about something, and it's not really as bad as you thought it was, right?
Most of the time, yeah
Insult, and so that's my thing is
It's like, why were you?
Why were you fearful of it?
Like they're like we
I don't think that we were born with fear
I mean, I think we were born with like natural survivability and and instinct, right?
But I don't think you're you're born with
You're definitely not born with hate
Right, yeah, you're definitely not born with hate
I mean, I think some people are born
I mean, I think unfortunately
I mean, I'm just guessing I'm not really a psychologist, but I think unfortunately there's a certain level of fear and anxiety
I think kids do adapt or adopt rather from their parents
I think there's
Some of it might even be in their genes
You know people that are neurotic and and weirded out
Maybe they're modeling their parents
Maybe they're paying attention to how their parents handle things and they they handle
Things similarly for
Sure, or maybe it's it's passed down
I think there's a lot of **** that's passed down to people
You know, I really do
Just like there's a lot of positive traits that get passed down to people
I think there's a lot of negative ones too
Unfortunately, and I think
You know your children learn in many ways, whether it's through genes or whether they should experience
They learn through in many, many ways through the way
The parents handle stuff
But do you think?
Do you think that that's in your your DNA or do you think that that's because that's how you seen it done, right?
Like you know what I mean, like?
Yeah, it could be both, but I also think it's like
You I think you need some challenges
You know some of my favorite people besides veterans or or, uh, jujitsu people and one of the reasons why is 'cause they experience so much adversity like, and I mean like it's it's safe
It's, you know, it's all controls and a controlled environment, but in that moment when someone is trying to strangle you
You're you're literally fighting for your life
It doesn't feel safe
It doesn't feel controlled
Someone got your back and that that forearm goes underneath your neck and you're like, oh **** like you won't
You know the reality is you're playing a game, and that game is I'm going to kill you with my bare hands and when that guy gets your back and gets your neck he just killed you
And then you tap and you go again
But even though you survive, and even though it's safe, it's a way of recreating
It's like a facsimile
It's like a reasonable version of a life or death scenario that gets to play out all the time
Most of the time it's very peaceful most of the time
You swap hands, it's all good, but there's moments in these struggles where you're out of breath and then all of a sudden this guy mounts you and you're like, oh **** like those moments, most people never experience that thing where you you have to push because you either you're going to escape or you're going to submit and
Having moments in your life where you really test it
Gets you to understand who you are, gets you to understand where your character lies, gets you, understand what, what your thresholds are, what what, your where your strengths are, where your weaknesses are lets you strengthen those weaknesses in a very real, usable way
I think most people they don't experience enough difficult scenarios in their life and one of the things that I love most about jiu jitsu is you could just take a regular person and you could transform them
And and through this difficult game that you're playing, you can change the way you interface with reality you'll
You'll have more character
You'll have more more ability to withstand difficult situations
They'll be more normal for you
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean look you you until you've gone through it
I call it the lens of life
You know your lens gets shaped on what to focus on by what you've seen through it right and and kind of prioritizing
You know football was that for me
I mean, I, I do
I don't roll enough, but like I do jujitsu
But like you know, football was that for me growing up was it was about getting hit and about about having to get back up right about someone stopping you
I mean, it was a team sport
It was you're relying on other people to help protect you
You're not going to win a football game by yourself
You know it was kind of like that
About, you know lose lose 5 yards and then have to get back up and try to get it again
You know that was what it was for me
Growing up was that was my contact sport about, you know look, you can look over and see what guys are going to are going to rock your bill right?
And that was kind of what it was for me
Look, I love jujitsu too
I mean, jujitsu is exactly what you're talking about
I mean, there's nothing more more nerve wracking than someone being on top of you and you can't
Breathe right, like in 'cause at that point they have control of you
At that point, they're deciding your fate
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, we could, you know, we could roll jiu jitsu and if they get their arm around your neck, I mean they get to decide if they let go, you know, and it's it's a real vulnerability and test of of you being there, right?
I mean, the more experience you have in adversity and tough times and and and coming out of it and
In trying to figure out and I think that's the cool thing about jiu jitsu is
As you roll and then you try to figure out
OK, so obviously when you when you have to tap that was not where you wanted to
Be right, how did?
You get there
How did I get there, right?
Like what did I do wrong, right?
And isn't there so much to be to be?
To be said about that, like what?
If we did that in life
Like check I got here I messed up but the problem is in life
Now we're the way the world is now
You can't, you can't go back like you can't say
Oh well, I did the best I could right there
I wouldn't do it again, and this is how I would fix it, because now like the world just doesn't accept it like it's almost like the ha ha gotcha, right?
Like it's a it's a, it is just to apologize at this day and age
Like means you're done like it's almost like apologies or
It just means it's going to be brought up and held against you forever
It's like you just admitted
To what they were right about, and it's like
How does that make sense?
Like how do you get better from not messing up?
Like how do you get better from?
I mean I messed up every single day and I just apologize and I mean it
I mean it when I'm sorry like I don't want to hurt
Anybody people would say at a certain point in time, if you keep apologizing for the same thing, you're just getting away with apologizing
You're not fixing yourself, right?
But that's the difference, right, is?
That's one thing, but it's a difference for me to just apologize when I'm sorry like I messed, hey
Sorry I didn't
You know this is how I I didn't understand how this made you feel, or I didn't mean to
Do that like
Who you being?
It's just being honest
It's just being
It's what it
Is yeah, yeah, I think that's
It's just being honest
One of the most important things for person
What what I was getting at with the jujitsu analogy is that
The the difficulty
Is it's it transfers into your life and it can enhance you, but it seems like the difficulty of combat is way more intense and way more insane and obviously way more intense
Way more insane, but way more difficult to overcome and to learn things from
It's like it seems like for a lot of the combat veterans that I talked to
Their their experiences are kind of like burned in their brain in some way where it's not like you're I mean, sure, I'm sure they're stronger because of the adversity they've been through, but also some of it is too much
And it just leaves them schucking
Yeah, you know, they used to call it Shellshock
Remember, I mean that's what they used to call it before it was PTSD, but troops were coming back from Vietnam
They called them ******* shell shocked
And I think I mean, I think
That was me for a long time
I mean, I was me for a long time
Like did you get counseling for that?
Did you like how did?
You I went to Mexico
What was in Mexico?
I I went down and I did Ibogaine
Did we talk about that the first time you're on the podcast?
I think I did
Oh, really interesting
But yeah, I know I went to
How was that?
I gave me my life back
I mean, it gave me my life back like
I went down and
I just got to the end and I talked about in this book
You know I was going through my divorce
Gosh, I did you talk about not knowing what was next?
I mean literally
You know, just gosh, I was just I was melting down
Just melting down from the inside and
And finally, like one of my friends looked at me and he's like he's like, hey?
I just went and did this
This is the date you're going
You need to go do this and it's at that point, like
You know I grew up in
In Kentucky and I I, I mean I grew up with
Weed is bad
Right, I mean all this right, you know, I mean
And and for me, it was just such a
It was just such A to think that I was going
To go do psychedelics
It was just like such
A like it was like a moral thing for me, right?
I mean, it was a moral moral dilemma, dilemma, yeah, and
But I I mean it was all I had left, and I knew that
For my daughters, I needed to do something can
You describe the experience
Mean I went down and where where did you go?
To like flew into San Diego and then we just went across the border somewhere
I don't like those like close to
Tijuana, the South of that like start with a E so I don't know where it was
But went down there and took it, took the
I began at like 8:00 PM at night on Friday
And I kicked in like an hour later
And he was
He was like I was walking through this
Like gloomy city
I was kind of walking through a gloomy city like it, like overcast
That makes sense, yeah, and I just remember, like I went into this one room
And it was like, I mean, I could see the street signs and everything like I went in this one room and
I walked out on the stage and there was like all these people in this room
And it was like they were going by like you know, like those old slide like slide shows like they're just spinning by and I was seeing these people when I was in there and I just felt this like disliked everybody
Was disappointed in me
Like I see all these people and I just felt like all this disappointment
I was like running around like going up to people like why like what did I do?
What can I fix like how can I fix this?
Like what did I do wrong?
Like I'm sorry and it was
Like all these people that
That I just people in my life
Like I could see their faces, people in my life that I've tried so hard to be good enough for and you just you hit it, you ain't gonna be good enough for him, right?
And so I left that room I was in there for a few hours and
I left that room and then I was walking through the town and
I would go up and I would look at these like
The like these fuel gauges I could see these fuel gauges and they were like it had
E for empty
Or yeah E for empty and then F
It was meant like finished
And everything was like this, far from finished
It was like I never finished anything
And then I seen this like beautiful ball light
And I went to it
And in it was like my daughters playing and I just felt like so much peace
And then there was like obviously like different moments of
I never forget this one moment in it
I I just like I almost like
Oh, 'cause I mean, you could see
I mean, I could like open my eyes, I mean it
Is really blurry but like
I was I was present right and I was going to just ask the doctor like I was like
I just don't want to be here anymore
Like I can't do this and
I I knew that he was going to say there's nothing I can do about it
So I stayed there and I just remember it breaking my ego
I remember focusing on my I remember like fighting
It just like
Just realizing that
That all this was ego that my ego just
The best way to describe it was like it didn't make me like you know, like when you drink like you kind of feel numb
This is like my soul like it was like it was just it just like
It was like my soul had gone through a workout like like a a workout on it, right?
Like just an asskicking workout
And it just broke my ego
You know, like it just
It just showed me so much about my ego and there was just
I just remember like at one point I was like I don't care
I don't even care anymore
I don't care what people think I don't care like I'm I'm not gonna live by what people think I just I remember just like just all I could just say
Back and forth
Was I don't care
I don't care
I don't know what happened while I was tripping and so I was on it until from 8:00 PM on Friday night and I came out of it at like 2 or 3:00 PM on Saturday
This is why you were tripping
And I came out of it and I was mad
The guy that sent me there
I was so mad at I was like this
I didn't need this
I was like I didn't need to feel like this
I felt terrible
Like how you?
Why are you mad at him?
Well, 'cause I was like you know you
You said you told me this is going to help me and I didn't need to see all my problems right?
It kind of like just brought my problems out and made me look at them and realized that
That I need to do something to change these and
So why would you be mad at?
Him then, well, I was mad because he sent me there and I thought he was going to help me
And I felt like it made me worse, right?
In that moment you did in that moment, and then I did DMT the next day
Five me, oh
And it was that that was what brought it all together
The next day we did five MO and I was so like
I was down, I was depressed
I was like upset because it just like
I just I was like, gosh I just didn't
Need to see
All this, but why?
I don't understand
If you think it's beneficial, why were you upset at him that you did?
Why and why do you think you did indeed to see it?
Well, what I'm saying is, is all of it together was beneficial that I
But the Bible game by itself wasn't
The ibogaine well, I mean no
I think it opened Pandora's box for me, right?
Like 'cause it made you think
That you, but isn't it better maybe to think about them than to?
Suppress them in the back of your head
I mean, the experience like it, just it was like an asskicking, right?
It was just like he was like the ultimate asskicking
It was miserable like I was throwing up
I'm saying it's good for you I'm saying like but when I put it together with the DMT and I did the DMT the next day it brought it all back together right like
You know, after I did the DMT
I'll never forget like we, I I took, you know I took the hit of it and I laid back
And it was like I was gone through this tube
It was just like this tube, like almost like a water slide, right?
Right, yeah I've done
And you feel like you're in the center of the universe or something like you don't exist anymore
It's beautiful, it was beautiful
It was so beautiful like the white that I seen was like
There's no white, there's no color here that could ever do like same
It's so beautiful
I felt so much love
Like it was like pure love, it was like
How I felt
Like whenever I met my kids, you know, like whenever I was there, when when Hadley was born when I met Saylor like the love that I have for them
It was like that, but times a million you could just feel it and it was like so good like it
It just showed that like there is good and
For me, I put it together and it's like it's inside me
Goods inside of us
Feeling good like like those good things are inside of us and it's just our ego that keeps us from feeling and being happy
The ibogaine gave you this understanding of
All the conflicts that you've caused and whether it's a interrelational with other people or even with yourself by not finishing things and not following through on things
Do you think that it was trying to show you that some part of your problems lie in the fact that maybe you don't respect your own efforts?
Like when you when you look at that you haven't finished things you think like
It was showing you that you don't ever respect for yourself 'cause you
You don't respect the the effort that you put into things
Yeah, I think it showed me that like
Yeah, I mean I think it I think
I think it showed me that like yeah, 'cause I don't write like I don't
I look at
I look at everything as well
If you do good, well that was what you were supposed
To do right
And if you like the only thing that I've
And I still I still struggle with it, right?
Like the only thing that I feel is like
Whenever I mess up, you know, like like if I just I live in this mindset of well, I can always be better so I just I
You know, like I stay focused on that aspect of it of like
What did I do wrong?
It's a hard thing
It's a hard balance
Because I always want to be better, I always want to be
I always want to be better
I want to
Give you my best
And you know, like so, I think that that was what it kind of showed me, was that
Hey, you know like?
Like it's, it's OK to, you know you can do your
Best and as long as you do your best, that's what matters
As long as you're intense, good
That's what matters, like you're gonna mess up like that's normal
And I think it was like it
It gave me like I don't know, maybe a little
Grace on myself of
You know 'cause I just
Have this I have this problem of
I just always want to do more
You know I always wanna do more for people
You know, and it's just it's like
I don't know like it's it's
It plays against me
A lot you
Always want to do more for people
Do you always want to do more for yourself as well?
Do you always want to do more in terms of like the effort that you put towards things like?
When you say you always want to do more, is it just with doing things for people?
I mean, yeah, I mean
Like I I don't
Like the more I can help myself, the more I can help people
You know, like I, I like if I could do anything in the world like I would take all the pain off of everybody else, right?
Like I don't
I don't want anybody to hurt, you know?
And and I just
I think that everything that I do is about trying to
You know, like that's kind of what?
I find fulfilling is seeing people happy
Well, that's a beautiful thing, man. I mean, that's a great way to think about life too. If if you enjoy making people happy and you know how to make people happy, you know there's things you can do that can enhance people's happiness
You know we were talking before this podcast about a guy that you pulled out of a truck that went into a pond
And it is as a fireman
Crazy experience that you had where you just tell the story because it's it's really not
It's ******* nuts
Yeah, there was a
And obviously I can't get in many details of it, but there was
We had a call
We have a lot
I get to serve with a lot of great people
And I call it a truck had like
Gone underwater inside of a pond rolled up and where we were
We were initially told that it was stuck on the side of the pond
And I had no clue that it was going to be underwater
Got there and couldn't see the truck
I gone over the fence and another guy come come with me and started going to this pond 'cause I see two people standing on the side of it
And I thought they were already out or the the guy drove off whatever who knows
Get there and I could see this little like White square out in the middle of the pond and this woman goes
She said he's still in there
And I said in the truck
And she said, yes, he's in the truck
And I mean it was her son, her son, or somewhere they were related
Some I don't know there, her son or somebody
At some point they were related
She said he's still in there
They had watched us all happen
She's they were the ones that called
And so I started taking
I was in full bunker gear, you know, like our our turn out gear
And so I took took the code
I took my coat off, took my pants off
And Doug other guys are showing up on scene at same time
And so I did. We jumped in. John jumped in, the water, swam out to the truck, and then as soon as I got out there, you know the truck was probably 3 1/2 four feet deep
The top of it was and so
I I swam down to try to see if the windows were unlocked or were open
I thought the window might be open and it wasn't, and so then I thought to myself
Well, where's my window punch at?
Well, it's in my bunker gear that's on the side of the
Of the of the pond, and I was so mad at myself at this time
My my buddy Eric and my buddy Jonathan jumped in right behind
Started swimming out there, no questions asked
I mean just 'cause they knew it was just to get down his time to time to do it and
They get out there and then
This one of the police officers threw me her baton so got it and then I couldn't bust the window open with it
I couldn't get enough leverage underwater and my buddy Eric
I mean this dude is like he's
Jacked right so
He's just he's just beating this window and beats it
Beats it open
And he beat the back window open
I told him beat the back window
Open first was
A four door truck because I was afraid the guy was still
Conscious and I
I was afraid that he was going to reach out and grab me and drown me
So I was like if I can come in through the back window
You know immediately grab me, but I couldn't get into the back window 'cause I was like the truck was full of stuff like it
The whole back seat was full of stuff
So then Eric beats the front window out and so he did
So then he I dove down, dove in the truck
And the guy was in there and he was
He was up like he's floating
And you couldn't see 'cause it's in a pond, but he was up against kind of like the roof of the truck inside and
I I tried to, I tried to reach in and grab him or reach and grabbed him and I just kind of felt where his up at top and I grabbed his collar of his shirt 'cause I knew I could just get him out of the window which is pretty tight to fit a person through a window right?
So pulled him out and whenever I did I kind of like
Sank because like I had him with me
And I just knew I couldn't let him go, because if I did let him go, I'd never find him right in the pond and
Yeah, I thought I was going to drown
How deep is the pound?
Probably 10 feet deep, eight 810 feet deep
But it's more at the bottom, so I tried to push off the bottom with my feet and my buddy
He ended up grabbing me, got me by my belt
I guess I've kind of been like went over a little bit but grabbed me by my belt and pulled me up
We get to the top and the guys obviously he drowned and so we swam him back
Myself, Eric and and and Jonathan
Swimming back to shore
Got him up on shore and then you know everybody kicked in and started doing CPR
He was breathing on his own
By the time the helicopter landed, and you know, we had we had Tiffany there who was just an incredible, you know, just the the EMS people were just incredible
How do you get the water out of?
Someone's lungs when they do that where you start doing suction
Right so you'll they
They put an eye gel in
To establish an airway, but you know getting CPR going, they put airway in and they started doing suction
I don't know how much fluid she brought off, but you know they they really ton of fluid off of him just doing continuous suction
So what would you do?
If you didn't have equipment there
I mean, you just I mean compressions right?
Compressions and trying to you know bag trying to get as much water as you can off you know they they might
They might aspirate, you know, trying to keep that aspiration out of the lungs, right?
And it's and me, you know, the next day myself, Eric and and Jonathan, we actually had to go to the doctor'cause we?
We all have aspiration pneumonia right now
From it from
This just happened
Yeah I have
Yeah yeah I got
I got aspiration pneumonia right?
It's with my cough is
From when did this happen?
How long wow?
Yeah, but but you know, look the guy we you know we get updates every day 'cause we all
I mean, you know we all we all want this guy to make it
And he, I mean he's off life support, he's talking
Wow, how long was it in there for?
I know that we weren't seeing from the time that we got there until the time we pulled him out. I mean, he's probably 10-12 minutes
But you know, you don't know
You don't know how long
Was he in there before that drive?
The air was in the truck or how long there was, you know something you know breathing room in the truck you
Know right ****
But it's like look, I'm surrounded by giants
I'm a man surrounded by giants, I'm like
When people talk about like oh, the world is going to **** or you know there's
There's just bad people
You just come hang out with me for a day
You should see the people I'm surrounded by
Just like incredible people who
Would give their shirt off their back who were just
Awesome dads, awesome moms
Just awesome people you know
Just really really good people who
Who do good things and I'm surrounded by them
I'm so fortunate to to be surrounded by
Such this people that you know from the fire
Department fire department
I mean, just in every day, right?
I mean, you know, look, I mean, I get to
Tim Kennedy, right? I mean?
Just you talk about a guy
That loves, you know you talk about a guy that just wants to help people
I mean I do
Always trying to make something
Better he's amazing person
But yeah, people in the fire department people just at my gym, right?
You know people coming to the gym and and coming in there at 5:00 AM every morning and working out and just trying to be better
Than all those people are real
There are people like that
They really liked out there everywhere
Yeah they are
There's just not that many of them in terms of like comparison
To the regular
People, but you have to be one of them for
Them to come hang around you
You have to like good people, good people don't hang
Out with bad
People, that's true
That's true, and also one of the ways that a person becomes a good person is being around a person like that
And then realizing that like wow, the effect that person has on me in terms of like the inspiration they provide me in terms of like the way you can see a person behave and how much admiration you have for them
And you like you
Change your behavior patterns to be more like them people
If your friends are all gross like you're probably gonna be gross too
You know, if your friends are all stealing money and just lying and being ******** all the time, it's like, man, like you don't have a lot
To shoot for no
Nobody is ever
No, not high bar
Nobody is ever
It's kinda like in jujitsu, right?
Like you're, you're never gonna be like if you just roll with the same group like you're never going to be better than like you might
You can only go so far advanced so far, right?
It's the same thing in your environment, right?
Like if if you you're only going to be as good as the best, that that's the most you could be
He's the best person around you
Yeah, I wonder
I mean, it depends on what you're reading, what you're trying to do
I mean, thinking people are pretty flexible
You could do a lot, but it's very important to at least
Make the best attempt to be around powerful people and if you
Do that and the best way to do that is yeah, what you're talking about
Be around people at the gym
Be around people that either do jujitsu or something else difficult. Be around firefighters. Be around people that are trying to help people all the time. EMT's
People that are
First, provide you know first responders that are working to try to help people on a daily basis
Or people who are good parents or people who are good husbands and people are good wives
Like all of it, all of it matters
I mean I, and that's how I judge
Like I, I don't say I judge people, but I I evaluate people, the people who are around me, the people I invest
My time is like
If you've got money in stocks, do you just say I don't care what it is?
I don't care how it's doing
I don't care what it's going to do, right?
No, you don't 'cause it's your money you'll you'll lose there, right?
And I I feel the same way as
Is with my time, my time is equity
You know you have emotional equity
You have time, that's equity and I'm going to invest it in people
That that are making me better that are helping me in some way not helping me but like making me a better person and I just
It's a simple formula for me is like
If you're not somebody that if I die today that I want my daughters to to be around without need you around me
Yeah, and if you can do that, you can eliminate a lot of problems in your life with people that are just
It's it's unfortunate because I do want people to do better in life, but there's certain people that you just gotta cut em loose they
They just wherever they are
At this moment, there's they're too far away from where you need them to be
And if you hang out with them, they're just gonna keep creating problems
Then one of the ones that drives me the most nuts is people that create create constant problems and then they get like this sort of
Emotional charge out of resolving the problems so they create a problem and then they resolve the problem and then they get it
They get addicted to that sort of seesaw thing, where they're always like in a squabble with someone, and then they, you know, I'm sorry and everybody makes up
We're good now, yeah, we're good now
And then you know they'll find another one to be involved in, yeah?
It's chaos, they're just constant chaos, right?
It's people that are just
They're not only are they not at peace, but they're nowhere even near the road
You know you're not on the road to peace
You're on the road to occasional reconciliation with people and a lot of people get into those relationships with with you know boyfriends and girlfriends like that
They they get into these things where they fight
They argue with each other and then they make up and they get addicted to the making up part and
Then you know, don't you?
But don't you
Think that becomes like normal, right?
Like like sometimes, like you get in that and it just becomes it
You know it becomes a normal thing like so that this becomes enormous, like in a relationship
You know nobody starts off
By beating each other right like
It starts off by saying, you know you know like **** you right and then it well that becomes normal, right?
And every time the bars pushed a little bit further, run it further, and the next thing you know, it's just
It's toxic and it's just bad, and it's like
You know, we just lose respect for each other and it happens
I mean, it's it
Can happen so fast if you don't
Pay attention you can, and that that I mean for a guy that's horrible
But for a woman, it's worse because a woman has to worry physically about her
Her safety from a guy you know that's
When you know you have daughters, as do I, and that's one of the scariest thoughts is that someone's gonna**** your daughter up
Beat them up or
Do something terrible to him
The fact that men are capable of that is just such a horrific
Aspect of life, you know, 'cause most people aren't capable of that most people would never do that
But the people that would do that, they're real
They're out there
And how do you prep them for it?
I that's a good ******* question
How do you you know?
I mean, I think one way is by setting an example
The way you treat people, that's what they're going to expect from other people
You know the way you treat your wife the way you treat your
You know the people that are around you
They're going to expect that'cause, that's what?
You know if you're hanging out with custom, if you're hanging out with ****** people and they
See you doing that
They're gonna hang out with ****** people, right?
Yeah, and and that's why I go back to my circle, right?
My circle is
It's it's literally everything and
You know, like with my daughters look, I'm
I'll be the longest person they'll ever date
I'll be the longest man they'll date and how I treat them
Is what they're gonna think
Is is like they're gonna measure everybody to me
And so if they start dating ****** guys down the road, I should probably look in the mirror
My example that I said to them is and not just
Not just that I'm, you know, I'm good to my daughters and that I'm respectful to women
But then I I work hard and that I I I serve the community, and that I I continue to try to better myself and and I accept responsibility for for my actions and
All these things, like they're watching everything and that is it
It's going to program them to someday
Like you know, we automatically as as parents
We automatically have whatever you want to call it, like streetcred with their children, and that's how they learn too
To handle problems, and that's how they handle you
Know relationships and things like that
And it's just so important that you know my daughters are my accountability factor
Like I look at it and it's like I try to treat people the way that I would want someone to treat my daughters
Now when you talk about that, I began experience about how it bothered you, that you know you had to think
About all these times we disappointed people or all the people that were upset at you
What about that was what was so frustrating about that?
Was it that you had already gotten through that and put it aside and now it's like rehashing it and just making you feel like **** Or was it just that you were confronted with reality?
I mean, you didn't like it
I think it's just like
There's just some people that
I mean you're not going to
You're never going to be
Good enough for right?
You know, and and it doesn't
It's not necessarily you it, I mean
Sometimes it does
I mean, well, I mean yeah
Sometimes it's just them, yeah
But again again, sometimes it's just them, right?
And but I didn't see the people
I didn't see the people
Not the people I ****** over
I didn't see them
You know, I've seen like
You know, I mean I, I seen people like family members that that
You're like, well, you know why?
Why was it like this for me, right?
You know that that was an aspect of
Look, I just let it go like you know, that's kind of what that's all the stuff I seen with Ibogaine was kind of like just let it go
Just let it go right
It wasn't it wasn't
I didn't see the things that like I didn't see anything about combat
I didn't see you know, I didn't see anything like that
I just seen the things that I let control me that I couldn't control
So as I began, just like the way I've heard it described, is that it's ruthlessly introspective
It's like it
Makes you see things that maybe you've been avoiding thinking about
Yeah, I mean look, we all know if we all sit down and we truly want to see it
We all kind of know
Why we are the way we are
Everything adds up, right?
Like it's just like we don't want to
We don't want to face it
And I began makes you face it like you're going to sit there
And it's going to keep you there until you've seen enough of
It you know, are you hallucinating?
Why are you doing?
This I mean I
I mean, it is like I'm really there, but I mean I can open my eyes
And stand up if I mean the world spinning, but
You know, like
But when you close your eyes, it's like you're there, so it's like you're rehashing memories or like
Oh yeah, you did
Is that what it is?
Yeah, it's it's
It's really like
I liked it because
The people that I seen like
Obviously I wasn't walking through a city, but the people that I seen were real the the, the moments that I was watching myself like how I talked to people like there was a piece of that right like
Were was real moments
It was like I was sitting in a stadium
Watching myself from a like a a different point of view
Does that make sense?
It was real
It was real, like it wasn't like I was seeing like crazy
Crazy, you know
It was real is real people
It was real situations it was
Now was it a replica of what you'd experienced, or was it?
Not so was it situations that never really occurred
Well, I mean obviously they're walking to to onto the stage
Well, I was not, you know, obviously all these people weren't in one room, but but their faces were real
They were real people in my life
They were there
They were real people
So I mean obviously there was like a balance to it
But it was like all of it made sense if
That makes sense, like every bit of it like I knew what it was telling me
So it's like you walked onto a stage and then the audience was all filled with people that you've had conflicts with
Or just like people that I don't feel like you know, people, I feel like I've that
You let down or
That I, you know that that make me feel like I let
Them down when when I don't think I when in in in and when I look at it logically I I didn't you know I mean like
And there was just, you know, there was a lot of
That and so you get out of that you do DMT
Yeah the next day
You put it all together because of those two experiences
When I come
And then what is life like right after that?
You know, before but so before I went down there
I mean, I was having an anxiety
Attack a week
Like what does what?
What happens during your anxiety attacks?
You know, like I'll wake up throwing up like I'd be in the floor like throwing up crying
Just like can't control it
And it's but when you say anxiety, like what are you thinking?
You know I, I just did how much of a failure I am
That's what it was, yeah failure
Yeah, I mean, that's probably
And look, I'm not gonna say those thoughts go away
You know, like while I'm on that truck
I was on that truck the other day
All I was telling myself was just like
You know I could just I can remember it vividly have
You're a ***** ** **** Look at this
This is you like you, you didn't bring the window punch with you
How could you mess up so bad now?
This guy is going to die because of you and then I'm watching my friends from out there and I'm just thinking to myself like oh, look at you, you're an idiot and now you've brought them in here and now they're gonna drown and you're gonna you're gonna get your friends killed and then you know I mean like it was just like the whole time I'm literally like my brain
He's just talking **** to me of like
Yeah, you know what?
Like you're you're not going to
You're not going to be able to get this guy out now because you didn't train hard enough, right?
Just like all these
Things like just just just beating it right?
And I don't know why it works that way right?
But it it works for me
When you when?
A lot too though
You were growing up
Did you have parents that were very critical of you?
You know, I mean like there was accountability
Everything was black and white, right?
Like everything was accountability, right?
You know, I mean look my dad, my grandpa
I mean I I grew up with my mom until I was like 10
And then I I went over to my dad and you know my dad, my dad is one of my dad and my grandfather and my grandmother like they're just
The greatest people I've ever met, and I if I can be half of them, I'll be somebody
But it was just
Like it was more of a
There's right and wrong, there's you
Know, but was there?
A thing back then about you not being good enough
No, no never
So why do you have that thought in your head now?
Do you think like why?
Why do you?
Because I couldn't say my team
You know, like
So is that when it started, yeah
Yeah, I mean
You know, and then the metal
Just made it worse
And for people who don't know what you're talking about, we had a long conversation about this on the the first podcast that we did together, and it's
Harrowing story, I mean it's wild **** what you went through
And I would just tell people this
Go listen to that
Yeah, so you have to say it again
Yeah, but that that's where it comes from, you know, like
You know, I
I don't know like I when I walked in that valley that day like I truly thought that I was
I thought I was
Good at something, right?
I mean, I put the work in and like I, I thought I was good and and you know I
I really thought it
I don't know
I mean, obviously it shows my naiveness but I just I never thought that there would be a situation that I couldn't get my teammates out of right
And I thought that if anybody was ever gonna get killed, it was going to be me
Yeah, just like
Just like wanting to wanting to help them and and and bring them home alive so bad and then just
Getting in there and and they're all like they're all dead
And so it was just like
I just feel like I let him down, right?
Like I, I just feel like I let him down, you know
And then you come back home
Then you get this Medal of Honor
So like it's just it's such a
It's such a mental, you know
Mental mental jujitsu with myself of
I got a medal for failing
You know and and and people are like, oh, you know
But you did so much good
Well, it's like that's not what I set out to do when I went there I set out to go get my teammates out and
So like you
Know people I think I feel like a lot of times people want to change the narrative because they don't
Like the way it feels right?
And I'll never do that because
Because the lesson that I learned from that and the emotions that I get from facing the true results of that day push me to the next level to be able to go out and help people
Today so that
That time of your life that was responsible for all of the with whether you would call it self doubt or self judgment like the that that the nasty voice in your head that says you're a loser
Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say
That that's it, right?
But even after the ibogaine, and even after the DMT, you still have that voice, because this was just last week
But it doesn't
But the difference is it doesn't control me like I recognize it
I know what it is when it's
Like I I know what it is when it's happening and
A lot of times I use it to my
To my advantage
Do you know like?
Like I use it to my advantage to to to give me the edge to push on
Yeah, and I think it helps me
I just think that now I can control it
Do you know what it is?
I mean like so
But you because you're experiencing it but you know what it is, so you could stop it before it takes over
Instead of allowing it to just overwhelm you
Yeah, I mean like I18 a day like I know
I mean, I look, I know I'm not a ***** ** **** right?
Like I know, I know that I you
Know I know that I'm a good person like my mind doesn't control
It doesn't make like when it when it's doing this, it doesn't make me believe it right, and I think that you know
I began gave me that by
You know, I guess all floating
This like kind of stuff
It doesn't matter, you know like when when you get emotional like you start focusing on all these things and it's like now I can control that to get back to the logical like?
OK, let's look at logic right?
Like you know what I mean
And just trying to keep that as a balance, but I don't ever want to lose that right
I don't ever want to lose the
Because that voice is what?
What drives me to push?
What I you know
That I don't ever wanna lose
That right so that voice the the critical voice is the thing you think you need to
To push yourself
For me, it's it's what?
What helps me?
Yeah, I mean, obviously it doesn't sound very healthy, does it?
I'm like, I'm wondering if there's other I mean
I kind of have a similar thing going on in my head, but I don't ever let it get to the point where
You know, I'm saying you're a loser
You ******** you ******* idiot you
There's I don't have that kind of internal dialogue
But I do recognize that I have to
I have to manage my mind I can't allow
Those kind of thought patterns to spiral in my head, so I don't let him
I don't let him go
I mean, I think we all get those you know
Those feelings for
Sure, I mean I think we do, and I think that like
You know would would I?
Would I need those?
If I if I wasn't going to continue to put myself in these critical
Probably not right like
You know, I I
It's kind of like whenever I was I was a marine
You know to to do to do what people like Tim Kennedy to do what people like Jocko
You can't be evil people unless you can be evil
Yeah, I mean like if you can't like if you're not willing to
I'm not saying either one of those evil, so let me say that back but for
Me in my mindset like
For me to be able to to
For me to be able to when you fight whether it's in a ring, whether it's with a gun
Did you really comes down to who's?
Who's who's willing to give it all and who's I mean?
Obviously training comes into it but but but you mean if you don't get in the ring you ain't gonna fight
If you, if you're not willing to go get evil with somebody and take their life
You ain't going
To you know what?
He's not coming
I mean, come home, you're not coming home and so it's like what?
What level are you willing to get at and?
The crazy thing to me has always been that then you ask those people to just rejoin society
And I don't know how much like again, I don't know how much counseling they give you or how much counseling would you
Know how much do?
They give you and then balls
In the military, when you when you're leaving
So I was fortunate because I got sent home from Afghanistan
I went to, uh
To this rehab Center for like 8 weeks
It didn't make any sense to me at the time because I think it was too close to the event
What is the the rehab center?
Like it was, uh, cognitive CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy
I think so
Basically like where you try to re
Reprogram the way you think about things
Or like OK so I you know I
Feel like I was a failure and then you you write it out
I mean it was like this therapy that
It was tough, right and dumb
I so I went to that, but that was like I had this amazing and I I talked about her in the book, Captain Katie Cop
She was a
She was on the Combat Stress team and So what?
When when I was in Afghanistan, when there was a critical incident like this, they would fly in these
And they would like they would try to get on top of it pretty quick, right?
To be there to help and and all this
She did so amazing
I didn't want to talk to her while I was there
So she ended up sending me home from Afghanistan
In November for I got home December 5th
But she like worked out this arrangement to where I could instead of just going back to base, I came straight home 'cause the deployment was still going on and I went to the CBT thing
But I mean you're not really taught about counseling
You're not really like
You know you're just not
It's in the last thing you want to do is
Is like feel like you're weak, right, right?
Like feel like you can't handle it'cause it's your job
You know it's like it's like this seining like
You know nobody?
I mean I
I wouldn't say anybody judges you because look, we're all we're all suffering and we want people to get help
But just like one of these deals like you know, you don't want to, you don't wanna be like, Oh yeah, that bothers
Me yeah yeah the the problem with the strong people, right?
They don't want to ask for help
And I just don't want being inconvenienced
Right, that's another thing with strong people, so
This shift that happened after you do the ibogaine and then you do the DMT like what's before and what's after
What is the difference afterwards?
You know afterward
I mean, I didn't even I didn't have anxiety
So no more anxiety attacks, that's still the same way
How long ago was this?
Two years ago
Two years ago, so two years ago, NOx had completely out of your
System yeah wow yeah I mean like
I feel I feel great like I I'm more present
Yeah, I mean like I can be
I can be who I want to be
You know what I mean?
Like I have like it's it's kind of it's awesome like I get to
It's so good it's like so good like I'm I wake up every day and I'm not gonna say every day is the best day of my life but but every day like there's a moment in it that I just look around and I'm just like
How awesome is this right?
Like I can literally look at at my friends and just
You know, I mean, I'll start tearing up just thinking about like how, how awesome it is that I get to be surrounded by such great people
I mean, I mean, I'm sitting here with you right now
You know what I mean?
Like how awesome is that?
You know it's like
It's like I don't deserve any of this, you know, but
I get to do this
But who does deserve it then if you don't?
What does that I mean?
When people think like that, I'm always like of
Course you deserve it
Well, I mean, I don't think anybody deserves anything
I think we're worthy of things
Yes, but but it's also like that thought like you don't deserve
It means it shouldn't be
Happening to you
Yeah, it's not
It's not just simply you don't deserve it
It's you don't deserve it, so it shouldn't be happening
But like what does that mean?
It's happening well
Yeah, and that's that's
I don't understand that kind of thinking
Well, why, why?
Why would I just?
Why do I deserve your time?
Why do I deserve your time well?
I mean, I think it's a
I think it's a
It's a question to me that's called mutual respect
Well, it's also just life, you know
I think sometimes people complicate their thought process with unnecessary paths
They just go down these like thing you're not gonna get anything out of that you know the why do I deserve this path there's there's nothing there
For you but
But that's a natural path, yes
So that but, and that's what I'm saying is is, that's a natural path that automatically comes in
And instead of, well, riding that path that we know, there's no logic to or good into
It's like I get to do this
That's a great way to
Look at it and so like yeah, that's the control we have
We don't have control of what happens to us most of the time
Right, but we
Do have a control on how we look
Do you talk in this book about your ibogaine and DMT experience?
I do I talk about it, it is
Is it one of the main factors?
Of this idea of the way forward
We just want one of them
It's just one of them, right?
We talk about the circle, you know
I talk about like you know, last time we talked about killing that guy with the rock and I talked about that in there
That's just ****** ** thing to say casually
You know that story I had about killing a dude with a rock?
Yeah that one, but I tell I talk about how I like
Like how much that guy did for me and how much he changed my life, which is really cool and dumb
You know, and the more I think about it, like you know how much more he still changes my life today and not in a bad way
But in a good way and
How does it change your life in a good way?
I think I think it's what gives me empathy
You know it gives me
It it shows me that I can if I can connect with that guy I can connect with anybody if I can
You know, we all have more things that were related on then we then we do that we're not right and
It's a choice on which side you you choose to pick, right like?
There's only a few things in that that you can do to me that that we're not going to like
That that we're not going to be able to get along about
You know, like you want to mess with my family, you want to mess with people I care about
It's a whole different ball game
But outside that, I don't care what you don't care what you believe
Like are you a good person or?
You not right like it's good or
Bad, what's your intent and?
Him almost killing me
But then just seeing
Watching him die at my hands
I don't want to say I'm not I didn't like
I don't want to say that I didn't know why I was killing him because he was going to kill me, but
There was just like the reality of like somebody like it's not
One sided right like
The same way that that people were going to be hurt if I died
There were people that were going to be hurt if he died
And I think with that it's like
Trying to be able to see it from somebody elses side is a huge huge tool trying to see
Trying to see somebody else from their view
Is is a really really critical tool?
Before we get all wrapped up in
How we're going to handle?
Things, yeah, that's a
Thing that very few people do is try to look at life through this person, especially if you're you have a conflict with a person not like
A you know hand to hand combat situation fighting for your life
But I mean any kind of conflict that people have
It's hard sometimes for people to look at other human beings
And try to imagine what's going on in their head and how they view you and how they view whatever conflict you're 2 engaged in
The two of you are engaged in like it's
It's a good exercise
And it's also it's good
It's good for empathy
It's good to kind of get a sense of
You know how you should communicate with that person?
Think about what it's like to be them
Try to put yourself in that position
And for a lot of people, that's very hard to do
Yeah, yeah, because
When you do that, you have to also check yourself in that
You know, I I feel like for me like I try to go into things of like look I'm going to I'm going to lay it all on the table for you
I never want to miss an opportunity for the fact that I'm afraid that I'm going to get screwed over
I'm going to get hurt
I don't want to miss on getting to know somebody or getting getting having a ****** relationship or being able to to meet somebody or then be my friend
I'm not ever going to let the fear of what they might do to me or how it might affect me
Keep me from doing that'cause I know that I can recover
You know, like I I I
I don't know like I I just people are great like there's most people are good
I I believe most people are good
Most people are good, especially if you get them in on the right day and under the right circumstances, and you interact with them the right way
But even if you catch him on the wrong day, like how much of an influence could you have on him right by being the person that comes up and says, hey, I
You know how's your day right?
Like like just anything just a little bit of empathy goes a long ways
Yeah, no definitely does
So when you wrote this book so you wrote it with this guy Robert O'Neill
Who is this gentleman?
So Rob killed bin Laden
Oh, and uh
You know he what brought us together with the main story and he can tell this
I talked about killing that guy
We speak together
And Rob talked about how
You know, right after he shot bin Laden
Immediately you know, went over to
Bin Laden's kids
And he was like
I just took out the guy who seems the most evil to us
And now I just became the most evil person to them
It's not, it ain't simple
It's not simple
Taking a man's life in front of his family cannot be simple, no?
No, I mean yeah, so you know that was kind of what brought us together and we're just like how can we help people?
How can we?
How can we show our stories?
You know 'cause 'cause I feel like these books like you talk about into the fire you, you know I'll talk about my book
I feel like it made us like not human like larger than life I'm I'm
No different than you
What do you?
Mean by that?
Just like it, it tells a story in a way that people are like I could never imagine doing that
You know, like I could never, well gosh, I I
I would never be able to do that
I could never imagine being there or doing that, right?
And it's like
I mean, well, I mean I
Couldn't have either before I was there
And so I just felt like
You know, I'm I'm no different than anybody else, you know, I just I was there, you know, I, I went over, I was there
Does everybody makes different choices in life and?
How could we take our experiences and and try to help people see if there's a way forward?
There's hope that that that people are good that you know the take from the hard lessons of that's held us back or or that that we've had to be in and try to turn that into
And so when you set out to write this book, did you?
Get in touch with Robert
Did you guys?
Did you both have like the same kind of vision as to what?
To do here
Yeah, I mean we yeah
I mean we we just we wanted to have principles that are simple and and we wanted to
Come together and talk more like not just about war but about everyday life
Everyday struggles that we have and kind of humanize
You know, uh, humanize
Humanized war right?
Like not humanized war, but humanized life, and humanize us
And and and kind of show that look the same concepts that made us successful in combat or the same it's it's, it is literally the same principles
That you just apply in all situations
So do you feel like the first book when you're talking about it being larger than life that would?
Missing, like your own internal
Struggles and dialogues like what is it about it that didn't make you seem like a regular person to people?
I mean, I think it only told like the majority of the good side
Like it didn't
You know it didn't tell
You know that
The aspect of you know look, I grew up in a small town like I, you know
I mean, I I you know I'm I'm adopted like you know I mean like there's all these factors of growing up
But like the people who kind of
Shaped me to
Do that like how did I get?
To the point that that you know that I did what I did in that valley in that moment, well, it's all these people around me
You know what I mean and still today, like everything I'm successful at is because I'm surrounded by great people who push me and hold me accountable every day
And you know, this book talks about, you know we're not meant to be alone
You know, we're we're meant to to live be around people and interact with people
And you know this book kind of talks about how
You know how?
People are everything and and you know who you select to be around from all the way from who you select to be around from who you all
That is what there's always a way forward
There's always a way forward, and when you can find hope, it doesn't matter if you're in a valley in Afghanistan surrounded and you've just lost all your team or you're back here and you're getting divorced or or whatever it is, as long as there's hope and you've got good people around you, you're going to get
Through it, like everybody has a bad day
And so when you decided to do this, how do you start a book like this like like?
What is the what are the first words you write?
Are you writing this with a A ghostwriter or you are ghostwriter?
So do you just sit?
I can't spell my name
So, but well, that's why you you know when you type it gives you that little red squiggly line underneath
It lets you know he's he spelled it wrong
So how do you start something like this, like?
Did you have an outline in your head of?
With an idea
How to do it?
So we came up
And we just kind of talked about, you know?
We want to like almost like a self help book
We wanted people to be able to read it and apply it to their lives
Take the stories that we have and so we come
We just got with, you know, people, agents
Who helped us put that kind of like write out this outline and then we took it around to the publishers right?
And the biggest thing you know me and Rob wanted with these publishers was
Like we didn't just want a book, we
Wanted a book that was
Like we didn't want it to be left or right, we didn't want to be political
We didn't want it to be
We want it to just be for that
Anybody could pick up and read
And apply it to their life
Even left or right, like what percentage of people that are in the military?
Are left wing
It was never a conversation never never
So it's your concern is about staying alive
Keeping your your people alive and whatever the mission, whatever task you have to
Do you know when I went to fight?
I wasn't I wasn't willing to die or fight
I wasn't fighting for Republicans
I wasn't fighting for Democrats
I didn't care what color you were, I
I I was fighting for Americans
And all of that, no matter what God you pray to, no matter what your sexual preferences, none of that like
None of that matters to me like I
I feel like
The America I was fighting for
You know that flag to me represents good people who love their country
People who want good and
No, I I wasn't
I wasn't fighting for Republicans or Democrats or any
Of that, of course not
But what I'm saying is how many people did you guys you never had conversations about politics or anything
Anything I never I can't ever remember one
I can't remember one conversation of even
Thinking about that?
It never came up
That's interesting now
A big part of your life experiences, yeah?
And then when
The troops pulled out that whole chaotic disaster, like what did that feel like to you?
I mean it sucked, right like?
But it's not like there's nobody who set foot over there that I ever thought it was going to go
Any other way?
Really, I didn't
He thought, like when we pull out, it did the Taliban is just going to take over and it's
Going to be chaos again
I mean what?
Was their goal there right?
Well, I mean, what did we?
How did we expect to leave?
It can anybody tell me that?
I mean like
I knew we knew
I mean, I don't know
Let me say this, I'll speak for me, not everybody else
I knew that I never thought the Afghan military would be able to sustain itself
And defend defend it right
When you heard them say that though what?
Was that like?
Just hearing it because a lot of people felt the same way that you're expressing yourself right now
A lot of people felt that way that there's no way they were going to be able to make that
Any chance so?
I mean, how did it?
How did it feel when they when it quit?
Or when they we left
Well, how did you feel like when they were trying to pretend like they would be?
Able to do it
I mean, it's all it's all ******** right?
Like the only people that that win in these wars is Raytheon General Dynamics
I mean, I mean, they're they're the only ones that win at the end of the day
That's so ********
And it's but people you know people don't want
People don't want to think about that, right?'cause it's too
It's like when you start thinking about that level of ******** like it, just it's it's, it's not and it and it's I mean you can't
They don't like to think that way, and they definitely don't want to think that that's a motive and that those people benefiting in these corporations benefiting is a motive for doing certain things that that cost lives
I think we've seen, I think we've seen that plenty
When you see what's going on right now, 'cause we are in the middle
As you know, people who maybe listen to this in the future
We're in the middle of the Ukraine, Russia conflict
It just started a few days ago and everyone is kind of shocked and
Terrified by this prospect of a hot war going on, you know inside the former Soviet Union, with Russia invading Ukraine and we're watching it play out on television and
It's a very
Terrifying time for a lot of people
Yeah, I mean
Yeah, I mean it is terrifying
This giant superpower that's trying to
More of its territory or what it used to be
I mean is it, is it?
Its territory, former Soviet Union
Is it though like I mean, let's let's again I hate I hate Russia, so let's let's get that off the table
But what would we do?
If China came in
And China was teaming up with Mexico and they were going to put
And they were operating out of Mexico
What would we do?
That's a good point
You know what we would do?
And again, I don't know what to believe
I don't know
Look First off Putin's evil like no way is arguing it
You know Ukraine?
I mean their their government is not known for being honest abes
They're one of the most corrupt governments there are
And it's like
You know, I I just
It just doesn't like we're hypocritical
Again, let's see what you're saying
Like you're not saying that you know Russia is good and
Ukraine is evil
You're saying it's messy
I'm just saying that
If we were Putin
Obviously, the way he's handling it
But again, like we don't even know that how many civilians are being killed, right?
Like and I think
I think the the the death count right now is in the three hundreds and so more than 300 people have died, right?
And so I mean, why do they still have Wi-Fi Internet?
Why are their lights still?
On well, that's a good question, but I think one of the things that's going on with Wi-Fi is, I think
My lines for sure chipped into using satellites
I mean it again, I don't know what's going on
I don't know what to believe
You know you you hear these these stories that inspire you to think that oh, you know, you know these people on this island on that island
Next thing like that, you know they gave their life and there's this and it's like, well now they're alive supposedly
Who knows what's what's really happening?
You see that
That tank that you know just veered off and ran over that car and it's like then you hear that that was a Ukrainian tank
You know what I?
Mean it's like you
I think that's not true, though I think that was there was a Russian tank, right?
I heard there's this, but I see what you're saying
I haven't any
But there's so much misinformation online
There's so much misinformation online when it comes to, yeah, the island was a big one that they they told Russia to go **** himself and that they killed everybody on the island
But it turns out, no, they actually been
Captured and so it's like
I think they're both ******** right?
And so it's like, you know, I don't know
I don't know what to do with it
I just my part is is like there's and at the end of the day Russia Russia is killing innocents like innocent civilians who have nothing to do with this are losing their lives
Jamie, I'm gonna send you something just so that you could have this too
There is a
There's a very good
A video that's online that explains the conflict
You know it's it's not a judgmental video
It's not casting the blame one way or another, but it's a a YouTube video that explains and I I think we talked about it a little bit yesterday, but it explains how this conflict got started and why Russia for like logistic reasons
Why it wants to control?
I just sent it
To you buddy
But we're going to put all these sanctions on him, right?
But why are we still buying oil from?
Him, yeah, that's the thing
Like everybody is pouring Russian vodka down the toilet, but
But we're still buying over half a million barrels a day from him
That is so wild
Right, like if you if you told that to people they would go what?
And and when you add that up
You know, I mean Putin's making. I mean, he's he's
So this is the video and it's
It's long, yeah, it's just play a little bit of it at the beginning because
It shows you the map of where Crimea is in Ukraine and
That if they join NATO like they're trying to join the EU right now, yeah if they join NATO years
Modern conflict series that explains the entire course of the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia, as well as the entire war
It's called why Russia is invading Ukraine
You could why Russia is invading Ukraine
It's available on YouTube and it's it's very good
Well, we don't have
To listen to it essentially
But a deal for less than
Within 50 it's OK
Essentially it shows the geographics of the area it shows you on a map like why it's important to control that area and then they also talk about how Ukraine has massive reserves of oil and natural gas and how much value there is in that
For for Russia
And for the rest of the world, and how?
You know this
Natural resource rich country
They they could become like a a huge economic power and sort of separate from from Russia and separate from
The rest of you know that area and become a part of the EU, which is where they're trying to do and also become a part of NATO and someone could park missiles right there
Sort of like what happened with the Soviet missile crisis that during the Cuban missile crisis, during Kennedy's administration, where they tried to park nuclear missiles in Cuba, which is just right off our shores
Like I think that's what they're trying to explain this, but again, this video goes way into depth and they're real clear about how complicated it is is a very
It's a very complicated situation
Yeah, I mean
There's a lot of money involved
There's a lot of control with the area
There's a lot of in terms of like tactical control, the ability to like for for military to to have control
In case there's some sort of an invasion or something
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Yeah, I mean I look
All I know is is that that
You know, there's again, there's innocent civilians getting killed, and at the end of the day, like look
Even if Putin you know they keep making it up
Well, if he gets into Kiev right, he gets into the city like you know they then they take over the city
Well, let me tell you something
They take it from us, take it from us that even when you take over that city now you're going to fight 20 years of guerrilla warfare
You know, you know what I mean, like what again, what is?
What what's the purpose here?
What's what are you going?
To gain right, what are you going?
To gain what are you?
Going to gain well
I mean, I think what he's looking for is
Ukraine to give in to his demands
I think maybe he thought that would in the beginning, but at this point he should probably see that that's not
I mean, I think we it's not going to happen
I mean the difference in like obviously we handled it different, but the difference in us going in Iraq and Afghanistan versus him going here is like he also has the world against him, not only Ukraine
You know the world is is is is against him doing this, which
Yeah, I don't
I don't know, I don't understand it
I don't get it and I again I just know that it just sucks because because of political politics again
People are suffering, yeah
It is, it does suck and it is horrible
And it's also
It speaks to the distrust that people have in the mainstream media today because
So many people don't know what you know
What is the true story like?
What is, what am I supposed to believe?
How do you trust them?
How do you trust them?
Because even if they let's say, even if they only show
A part of the story that is real
It's lying is if you
Don't tell the whole story
It's the same as lying
Yes, it is the same as lying
If you tell a distorted version of the story, because that's what the people that are paying for your advertisements want you to tell
It's lying and and
This and that, and they're in the business of lying sometimes
Because there's again, yeah, so there's no accountability there's there's no accountability
Sometimes they're like
How do you hold them accountable?
Well, they're being held accountable by the people that pay for their ads
That's what's different
It's not like
You know it should be do no harm, right?
Just like a doctor like doctors have an oath, they're supposed to be trying to take care of someone and do no harm
The same should be what the the media should be
Their their ethos should be tell the truth always like give the facts, tell the truth and then
You know, in some of these shows, now, unfortunately it becomes more about editorializing than it does, even about the facts of the news
It becomes more about the opinions of these people and you know, we know they're reading off a ******* teleprompter
We know that they they have scripts
We know that someone talks to them about talking points
We know that they have
A corporation behind them that's paying for these ads brought to you by Pfizer, and they have all these
You know, people that are in their ear, and so the version, even of their editorializing is all been shaped by influence
Yeah, I mean this is what this is, what we're using to try to figure out what's going on in the world during this
Tragedy, they're they're being held like their accountability is too
The people that are paying them and not to the the people who are relying on them and and
But I mean again, look, there's only one color that matters in this country and that screen, and in this world and
That screen, yeah?
It's ******** and what people are really terrified is if, while this is happening, what happens if China invades Taiwan at the same time?
I mean, I think that that's going to be
I think that that's inevitable
I do, I mean I mean listen for whatever it's worth, right? But I mean I, I mean, of course like why? Why, if you were America's enemies right now
Now is as good a time
As ever, it's the
Best time so
Right, if you are America's enemy, now is the
Best time I mean so much chaos, so much conflict
Are so far off
It's good time, as ever
It's the best time so
You are America's enemy. Now is the best time, so much chaos? So much conflict
Yeah, I mean we
Are so far off
You know, we're we're worried about trying to make our naval fleet green
And they're over there rocking
You know rocking rockets around and just, you know?
About over there teaching mediators, right?
And it's like
I mean, I get there's a balance but but again, like
You can't stay the free world and stay the leader and stay an influencer if you can't protect it
What do you think happened and in terms of like the this crazy woke **** that's invaded the military
I never thought I would see it in the military
I thought that would be the one sector of our society that would be
Immune to that kind of ridiculous ideology
I mean, I just think that people
You know people have gotten, so they get offended by everything and
I don't know like I
But why well?
Coming from a person who's served and been in combat duty and experienced the horrors like real real problems like what is it about that?
At this woke **** I
Mean I again, I just think that life like we
Have first world
And that's that's it, right, like
It's the ultimate first world problem, right?
Well it is and that's all of our most of our problems
Here are ultimate first world problems and you know like but again, you have to understand like
Like talk about my generation
You know my generation, we we had access to Internet, right?
Like like everything was kind of instant gratification
I didn't have to go out and raise a garden and I didn't have to do the things that my grandparents had to do to to be able to live and to be able if everything is convenient for me
But but it doesn't mean that like so these people who are are portraying these problems
They they are true problems to them and they are that big of a deal with them but but it's kind of like when you're looking at your kids
Like when my daughter comes to me and she's like you know so and so
He said this and it hurt my feelings and
It goes back to adversity
That is the biggest problem she's ever dealt with, and it is that big to her right?
Just 'cause it's not to me because I've dealt with all this other
It is that big to her and that's what's happening with everybody else
Is like we have first world problems here and they haven't had adversity and they haven't had to have that and so
These things come up and instead of learning how to deal with them, we're trying to cater to them right instead of
You know when people get offended by what I say I, I always ask
Was it is it inaccurate?
It was it offensive?
Or was it that you just didn't like what I said?
Did you just not agree with me 'cause it just 'cause you don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong?
Some people get offended too easily and that's they don't want to hear that
But some some people get upset at things too easily, and it's because they're making a problem that a lot of folks would think is not a very big problem, and they're turning it into a gigantic one in
Their head because
They don't have real problems
I mean, I couldn't imagine going to my dad and telling him that
Somebody said something to me
That hurt your feelings
And hurt my feelings, I couldn't imagine
Well, you know that's a old expression, you know the hard times create hard men
Hard men create easy times, easy times, create weak men
Weak men create hard times and it's this is the cycle of
Existence I remember when I was a kid I was reading about the fall of the Roman Empire and we were just talking about the excess of the Roman Empire during the
During its demise, and I remember thinking
I wonder if that's ever going to happen here'cause I remember thinking like every civilization in the past that was a great civilization
Whether you know whatever it is, ancient Egypt or whatever ancient civilization that was this dominant
Massive civilization, they all went away
They all the ancient Greeks
And we're on the fast track
Yeah Oh my God moving
I mean, we're one of the youngest nations, and we're the superpower
Yes, yeah, we're yeah
One of the youngest nations
And we're also unique in that we're a nation of immigrants
It's a a nation consisted entirely of people who moved here
And and you know, obviously Native Americans as well
But the the people that moved here are the bulk of the humans
That are here
It's so recent I I talked about it in my comedy special. I said the United States was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100 like oh, that's
Three people ago
It's three people go, three people go, three people go
They they decided to try to figure out how to
Create this new
And look what we've gone through
Experiment in self government
Yeah, pretty wild
Pretty wild, right?
And and I just think you know, like we, we have to keep that in mind and and and again
But people are just so entitled, right?
Like you know they they
I don't know like we're the
I don't want this sound terrible, we're the trust
Fund babies of the world
We are the trust fund
Babies of the world
You know what I mean?
Yeah no, that's not
I don't think that sounds terrible at all, I think
I don't want to offend trust fund babies you
Know I mean, I think that they need a little offending, but it's
We're spoiled, you know, we we really are
I mean, I, I used to say that about California that California was like
With the trust fund people, when it comes to the weather, 'cause there's no weather in California, so no one has like a real sense of like what nature can do to you and growing up in Massachusetts?
Except those wild
Yeah, those wildfires are ************ Those are wakeup
Call those those make people nicer
You know, in Massachusetts, when it would snow, everybody would kind of get together
You know you'd help people you see somebody pulled over the side of the road
People would pull over and try to help them
They try to get him out of a ditch if they got stuck, they try to help push him or help shovel him
That was the thing that people like you realize you could
Die out here like when it's you know 10 below 0 and it's in the middle of ******* January and you you see someone who's hazard lights are on and there's no one else on the road like you feel obligated to help that person
And there's a thing about nature
Where it makes you confront your own vulnerability, your own mortality and California doesn't get that very often
You know, and I and I have this theory of
I don't know
I just believe that
The more adversity you've gone through, the more hard times you've gone through, the more power you have to help others, the more struggle you've had, the more you can help others
Yes, you know, like in the more
Because in the more vulnerability you can you have right because to help somebody you have to be vulnerable
You just have to
To connect with somebody
You have to be vulnerable
And people who have
Gone through stuff
And came out of it
They have the power to be vulnerable because they know
That they're going to get through it
Yeah, it's some
In order to get people to connect with you, they have to understand that you've experienced some bad situations yourself
It's not simply just that you know the right way to go about things, and one of the things that Jocko does so well
Is talk about everything
Everything your own
You know, human shortcomings, your own doubts, your own fears, all those things and then how to
Get through it
Yeah, I mean he like
Jocko has this way of
And it's it's it's awesome of like he defuses you before you even know it right?
Like you could come in and just
It's just he has this way of like you could have this whole built up
You know like if I'm if I'm about to go nuclear I I called Jaco or yeah, he'll tell you he he'll tell you
We talked about our last podcast and I'll call Jaco and
And he listens
He listens to you so you kind of like
You're kind of like running around in a circle and telling him that I've got to, you know, get this whole plan built up, and that's how I see it
And then he just like he lets you wear yourself out and then he
And then he comes in and he talks logic, you know he
You know I'll never forget I called him this one time about this
This I was so ****** *** at some some stuff that had happened and I was like dude, I'm going to go over here
I already had this plan that I'm gonna I'm gonna like it's on I'm ready to lose everything
And down the COTA
Settle, yeah, there it was
He, he listened and he goes
He goes, he goes check
And he said, well
He said, the only time you should fight or the only time you should go at or entertain this stuff with people is is
Is is one way is if it's willing to are you willing to lose everything?
Are you willing to are you willing to go all in because you know you do?
So you you do this and then they buck up to you
Well, you're gonna lose and look even worse if you don't do something and keep going right?
Like how far do you wanna take it?
And he's like the only time it's it's it
It makes sense to engage in something like this is if you're willing to just say, hey, look, I'm it's it's worth me losing everything that I got my freedom, whatever it is he said outside that it ain't worth it
And when it gets to that point that
That's your deciding factor
That's when it's time to
Engage, yeah, and
I was like gosh man like he just he
But he defuses you, right?
Like 'cause he, he's not going to, he can't let you wear yourself out and figure it out
And then he just kind of helps you
Guide you right like?
Hits you with some logic
Yeah, well he's a leader, you know, Jocko is one of those rare people
That's an actual real bona fide leader, you know, yeah
You could talk to him about pretty much anything and he'll be able to look at it rationally
Such a unique guy. Such an incredible guy. He's, uh, that dude's done so much for me, just
You know, as a friend in like
A guy who's just
That I I oh Jocko so much
Just think a lot of us do, you know, as a friend and just as an example, as a example of, you know, the way he he likes to describe it
Extreme ownership, ownership of everything, failures, successes, you know with deal, yeah
And he's a real deal, you know, like I hear people hear people talk sometimes, like I just want to be like Jaco and I'm like you'll never be like Jocko, but you can strive to be
Like Jaco Jaco
Is he is a superhuman, you know?
Yeah, good luck
I mean you'd have to live his life and you you might not survive
That's the reality of a Jocko
Is like Jocko didn't have to make it, you know
And all the things that he's gone through
Same with you
All the things you've gone through you didn't have to make it
You know you did and you're very fortunate that you did
But you don't make a person like you
You don't make a person like Jocko easily, so not easy
Yeah, I mean it's it's
It's kind like that
Iron sharpens iron, right?
Yeah, absolutely now
So now this book is out like
Came out today
Oh today, really
Yeah, no **** yeah
Oh, that's probably why we scheduled this, huh?
So when when it comes out, what do you do now?
Do you have to do like a?
Book tour do you have to go talk to a bunch of people?
I went on
Yeah, I mean I went on on Andy Forssell's podcast yesterday
He was bad, asked me and Rob went out there I was in Saint
Louis and then here today is
That where he does
His out there
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
He's incredible guy
I'm friends with him online, I just chit
Yeah, they're he's
Chat with him online
He's such an incredible guy
Like went out there to their facility
And just like the culture he brings like he he just
You know he he's a guy that lives life on his own terms and he he cares about people and he's real thoughtful and he's very ******* smart and
He seems very smart and he has a love of 1970 chevelle's like
I do, he does
Yeah his facility is crazy
His car is insane, so offset 70 Chevelle
He hasn't things ******* beautiful but yeah his his message and the way he communicates online is like
I like it and you know, like when you walk into places and you
You can tell a lot about
The vision and the owner by the company, right?
Especially a place like his big everywhere like everywhere in that place was out at first form was just like crazy like just everything
Great energy people are so nice
I mean, you could just tell that that that that it was
It was awesome and and he's he's a great guy
We do the
Podcast with him yesterday
So smart just and he cares
He cares about people and he and he cares about people
And that's what that's what
That's how I judge people
It's like do you care about people?
How do you treat people?'cause that's really all that matters
And so, like you know this, you know we we're going out
I'm on here today and then we've got
You know some, still some some things tomorrow and this week and then yeah
So you just do like a tour
You're going to do any like television shows or any of
That stuff, no
I mean, it's kind of
Over for that
Stuff, it's kind of over like it's the
Podcast game right?
We did some
We been doing podcasts for
The last two weeks so
Yeah, so just going around and just trying to spread the word about it
Talk about it
Yeah, and how long have you?
Been doing a podcast now
So do the American party
I mean, I've been podcasting for like 4 years
I switched around to different formats like
I used to do the interviewing and I just
It's hard to get guest to relying on guest right?
So I do it with Dan Holloway
We do the American Party and it's just about
Like just talk
Just talk it's about principles, right?
You know, yeah?
So I mean she's about principles
It's about, you know, I don't care
If you're left or
Right like look I I just care if you're a good person and and that's pretty simple
Yeah, it's lots more simple than whether you know the the left and right things complicated
It's like the reasons why people are left versus the reason why people are right and what what
What do you define as left versus?
What do you define as right?
You know, I think that's a it's a complicated conversation
It's a complicated conversation
I don't even know if
If they're even loyal to that right, and and so it's just, you know, we we do the American Party podcast and we we just
We try to break it down to to looking at it from what's best for the people
What's best for people and and you know those are principles
Those are principles of
You know to do good to do good for others, to do, good for yourself
You know it's all this stuff
I'm not smart enough to make things complicated
So I just have to keep himself
Me yeah, well, you know there's some people that love making things more complicated
They they they get off
On it, it's like a little
There's confusion there
There's power when confusion
Yeah, there's like a rush in explaining things in a way that baffles most people
Where you go, wait?
A minute, what are you saying?
Exactly, and they're using all these fancy words and elaborating, and a beautiful you know pontificating in a beautiful way
It sounds good
Sounds good, sounds good, but it doesn't sound good if you don't know what the **** they just said like some some people are too smart
Something sounds good
I'll talk to him like hold on slow down, what?
Did you just say can you break yeah
Understand talk to me like I'm 5
That's how I have to do
Everything so you do it once
No, it's twice a week, maybe twice a week
Twice a week?
Oh, that's cool
Yeah, so we do Wednesdays and Fridays
I I love it
I love it, you know, I just just try to break down things that are going on and and like how it's going to affect us, right?
Like does this really matter or not?
I mean, how many times are we focused on things that really don't matter, you know, and
And that's what I talk about
You know, in this book of, you know, so I'm a helicopter pilot
And so, like I
You know there's a lot of things going on when you're flying a helicopter and
If you try to focus on every single gauge while you're flying, like you're never, you can't get through all of them
But like you know, I'm always looking out the windshield. 90% out the windshield I I use a nine in one technique and so 90% out the windshield making sure I'm not running into things
And then you know 10% inside looking at like 3-3 gauges that matter to me, right? Because I know if those gauges are good if something else goes wrong
I can auto rotate it down right and it's the same thing in life like let's just stay focused on what matters
Quit getting distracted on on
The the static stop giving things more legs than you know are you having
Are you having a bad day or do you have a bad life or are you having a bad day or are you having a bad moment?
Dakota Meyer'cause stop giving them like
Obviously we all have negative things and and we all have obstacles in our lives
Don't give it more power
Then it's then it really is
Right then it deserves
Then it deserves, yeah
Yeah, there's there's
You know there's a great expression that I've talked about before, but it bears it's worth mentioning
Again, there's an expression
The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever
Happened to you
No matter what
It is like if you've had a sheltered life and the worst thing that ever happened to you
If someone said something that hurt your feelings, that is the
Worst thing that's ever happened to you
And we see that with children right?
With little kids it's like 'cause they they haven't had a lot of life experiences
And then we see people that have gone through hell and those people you know, I don't want my children to go through hell, but those people are more resilient
They're different, they they, they have more
They've they've got more life experiences that to judge it against
So a thing like someone being mean to them
You know, if you grow up in some hard part, some Eastern bloc country where it's things are rough
Like you don't want to hear any of that ********
Like that, like just an insult, that's
Not enough? Yeah, that's not
The worst thing that's ever happened to them
But we just have to like we have to stop trying to out victimize each other, right?
Like, like look the words like you said, look the worst day of your life
The worst day of my life is no more significant than the worst day of your life
There's both the worst days of our life
And if we stop trying to out victimize each other or see who's seen worse or done worse, or been through worse and we're just like, hey, look like like, hey, here's what
I've been through
Man, we can get
Through this, but there's a culture in this country, unfortunately that
Has arisen, you know, within my lifetime of victim
Like there's just like a
A currency to victimhood
Like the more things are stacked against you, the more you get to complain about those things stacked against you
The more you get
To like wear
It becomes your identity
Yeah, it becomes your identity, right?
It's a it's a problem
And it is a problem, right and?
Because we reward it right like there's and there's no accountability to to to get through it
And and like there's more reward to having that and being able to talk about it
And being able to use as your identity then there is to put the work in to get better
Yeah, right like and a lot of times we just don't want to
That's what I'm fortunate about with my friends is my friends I I tell a story in here
About 10, you know
When I was going through my divorce and when I first moved to Austin on it was
On it was
A critical piece to me
It was kind of like the only
Stable, consistent place
I could go to working out with Tim and one and and uh, and Eric and and John Wolf and and all of them
Those guys like literally just I knew if I could make it to the gym that I was going to have an album
Two hours I'd be alright and
And I'll never forget I walked into Tampa and I was like, man, I'm we were doing some work out and I'm like I'm I'm just
Like just just just
Probably looking for some empathy right?
And Tim looks at me and goes
Yeah, and hey, check it out
Your people look at you as a warrior and you need to look like 1
So fix it
And it's like
You know I didn't need him to be like Oh no man it it's OK, you know you you you look all right
I needed somebody to sit here and tell me like hey, yeah, you know what you're you're spot on
At least we identified the problem
So now it's time to to get busy fixing it
Yeah, yeah, and that can be done
But it doesn't feel good
Yeah, that's the point though
That's that's what fat shaming is all about, but
But don't you think it's offensive, but don't you think I could have sit here and been offended, offended by that?
Oh yeah, for sure you your feelings could have been hurt and you could have went straight to the donut shop and it's been like **** him
I mean, this is one of the things we see today with a lot of people online
Whether this whole body positivity thing, it's like it's it's nonsense
Like, yes, it's awful
If someone is mean to you purposely and hurts your feelings and mocks you for the way you look
Because you're obese, yes, that's not nice at all
But this whole idea that
You love it and this is who you are and everybody should just accept it
Pretending that it's healthy, which is really weird, like people will distort the reality of medical science and pretend that there's not like some real significant
Effect that obesity has on all parts of your body all sorts of things go wrong if you're obese, but we send this message to people that body positivity is the way to go
That it's OK, but it's not OK
You mean it's like it sucks
If someone can point something out and like, hey, you have let this lapse you have
Treated your body in a poor way and because of that you have a significant problem and you got to do something about it
Like Tim said, do you fix it?
That's a reality of so many ******* people out there and they don't ever get that speech and they don't ever fix it
And instead they try to come up with reasons why it's OK to be obese
It's not OK to be obese, it's terrible
It's terrible for you
It's terrible for the people around you
It's because you're gonna you
You're going to get sick
You're going to get you know it's going to be a real problem
People don't want to hear it
They want to think that somehow or another
It's OK and
Especially during the pandemic, like my God, it's like one of the main factors for whether or not you're going to be healthy
And whether or not you're going to survive this ******* thing
It's, uh, you know, one of the main factors is obesity
Yeah, I mean
Yeah, and I just like you know, the frustrating part to me was just
I got it
I got it look
Do whatever makes you feel safe
I'm in whatever I don't care what?
Yeah, right it is
Whatever, whatever you've done, just do it
I don't care, leave me alone
And look if you
I just I just never forget I was in the grocery store and
I didn't obviously didn't have a mask on
I was being selfishme and I walked in
I wasn't around anybody but like this woman was in
I mean she was
She was very obese
And her cart was
I mean, I remember looking in
There and it
Was like just junk food
And she's like screaming at me, telling me how basically how much of a ***** ** **** I am for not having my mask on, and I'm endangering everyone
Was there a mask mandate?
I mean, at the time they didn't tell me
I mean, I could go in the store without it, so like they weren't, nobody mentioned it to me
You did work there, right?
Only people who were, but either either way it
Was like a check
I got it OK, I'll put my mask on if you need me
Put my mask on
I wasn't on airplane
Yeah, I'll put my mask on right?
If that makes you feel
Better I got you
But I just don't understand like why do we only look at parts of it?
Like OK, I'll put the mask under protect you, but if you want to protect yourself you should
You should maybe start eating healthy or you should maybe make healthier decisions all the way around
But that's hard to do
It's very easy to yell at you
Again, and that's when I felt like as so many so many people were blaming me for their problems
Yeah, you know what I mean
And look, obviously I got it was real
I got it checked
I'm not arguing that
I'm just saying that like, let's now that now that let's say we're
I don't know if we're at
I don't even know where we're at in the pandemic anymore
Like I, I don't know, but
Can I walk around and and when I see somebody who looks very, very unhealthy and I know that the science supports that, can I walk up to him be like hey, you don't need to be eating that?
No, because that only affects them
Think about you with the mask
You know, I don't think masks, especially most of the masks that people use
Unless you're wearing an N95 mask, which most people aren't like, a really snug fit. N95 mask
I don't think it's really doing much
Those cloth masks, and especially those surgical masks
I mean, I don't think
It's doing much
Those cloth masks that you wear over like that
It's almost like these like
What do they called like bandanas over their face?
It's nonsense and there's studies are showing that it's nonsense, that's it
Statistically, it doesn't really have that much of an effect. Again, like I had Michael Osterholm on recently and he's explaining why an end 95 mask works and that it has like what did he say?
It was like an electrical static
What did he say about why the
Things actually cling to the mask
Like it prevents transmission because
Yeah, so it's something about like if you are sick and you have one of those on it actually does significantly reduce the amount of viral load comes out
Of your mouth
But most people aren't wearing those
They're wearing these ******** masks
And here's the thing, man, it's like
If you want to
Go to a place and you want to
I mean if if there's a mask law and you're not wearing a mask, that's one thing
But if you want to go to a place and it's optional, and you've got your mask on and other people don't and you're you're screaming and yell at them
Like you're just you, you can't, especially if you're obese and you've got a cart full of **** you're concentrating on the wrong thing
So where I mean but where like but again?
Where's the self responsibility?
There's not, but it's so easy to point a finger at mean old Dakota running around with no mask on you ***** ** **** ***** wrong with
Where is it?
You yeah, I mean what what number?
What number in in the country?
What as far as the world?
How unhealthy like we wanted one of the richest countries in the world?
What what level?
Where we at on the health
The health scale
That's a good question
Let's let's guess let's guess, let's say
Dakota Meyer17th or no. As far as I know. Let's go this the most as far as unhealthy like the unhealthiest. I bet we're #7 or 6 or 7
In terms of the unhealthiest country
Yeah, I'd say probably top ten unhealthiest
And as far as healthiest, I think we're probably top 20
No, no, I don't think so really
I don't know
You're probably right, it's probably top
Yeah, there's like
A there's a how many countries are there?
No, that's way above my pay grade
Joe Rogan100 and how many countries are there?
I want to say they're close to 200
Close to 200 something like that. I think it's in the one 90s so I would say we're
For healthiness, no, no way
I want us think about people like me so I get I get cocky
We're ******* healthy
Take a lot of vitamins
To workout every day
Now we don't like a small percentage of us do
Yeah, alright I'll say as far as obesity we're top ten or top 10
The most obese country and as far as bad health I would say we're top ten as far as bad health
It was good health, probably top 30 or something
What do you got, Jamie?
I'm trying to
Looking this up is a tough problem real fast, because what it makes what's unhealthy
Lot of articles and
So like I typed in unhealthy
It's like pollution or
OK, let's say this oh right, right, right?
Let's say this
What percentage of people?
Like in the world
I found so I found that I'll just go. I found why is the USA only the 35th healthiest country in the world, so it's the other way out of 169
How would you say?
All right, so we're top 35
What about the opposite, like?
When instead of the top 35 in terms of healthy
What about in terms of sick?
For bad health outcomes here I'm like where do where do?
We do you
Find something here's the top ten unhealthiest countries in the world
Yeah, that's, but that's this is as far as healthiest
Where do we?
What about unhealthiest?
Is America one?
That's the first question
Jamie is America, one of the first unhealthiest countries?
OK, obesity and diabetes for decades United States has had the highest obesity rate among high income countries
High prevalence rate for obesity are seen in US children and in every age group. They're out so
The highest obesity rate amongst high income countries
We're number one
Go to click on top. We'll go top 2020. We weren't so on this one though
I did, I already did, we weren't
In there no
But yeah, I mean it's
That's what I
Was going through oh, what is the most unhealthy country?
But that's that's again, I was going through that already
And once you get the number 5 it started making I you can't get
So is that a?
To it, is it an?
Environmental issue it's
So it's like pollution in terms of unhealthiness
There's a lot going into the question
Isn't that crazy though? Yeah
Yeah, well we're the most obese, but that's a weird thing because we have all this access to food
And a lot of it is really unhealthy and it's easy to get
Like the easiest food to get is like you could just pull into a burger place
Get a milkshake ******* sugary soda
But we also have access to the most healthy
Yeah, food in the
World, but it's not as easy
And it's it's, uh, it's not as cheap
So that's laziness, so it's like
It's also it's like you know people don't have a lot of time
Unfortunately, like the the other thing about us is the time requirements that our job takes
Like your job takes a lot of ******* time
Isn't that is that the narrative that we've like is that what we just?
I mean, you're?
I mean, I think you're you're a
Busy person, yeah, I'm a busy person, but not compared to a person that has a job that they hate
That's the that's the thing
It's like you're you're busy
But you're busy doing something that robs you of your soul, and that's a lot of people
A lot of people are out there, busy, but they're they're busy doing something that drains them
Yeah, when I leave here I'm like that was a good conversation
Dakota is cool
That was fun
That's why I'm gonna feel
Yeah, I'm gonna feel drained
Yeah, I'm gonna feel like that was a good conversation
You know when?
I do stand up tonight, same thing
But have you always?
I mean, have you have?
You always had that no no when I
Was younger I didn't have that when you were younger, did
And when you were younger, did you still work out?
Yeah, so my point is, is that if you if you, whether you want to do something or whether you don't, you'll find an excuse
That's true, but also
The reality is like my struggle, years were not that long like like while I was struggling and while I was working out I was young
I had tons of energy
I was driven and I had a plan or I wanted to get somewhere I wanted to
I wanted to get I wanted to have success and fortunately it came true and I I did have success and I did do all that stuff
But the people that haven't, and they're obese now
They have a bunch of **** going on
First of all they have low energy levels
It's very difficult to get something done when you have low energy levels
It's so hard because whatever motivation I need
I mean, I'm kind of on autopilot now, like when I get up in the morning like I know I'm gonna work out
It's not like whether or not I can't
Well, maybe I'll blow it off today
I ******* never say that I get in there
I always work out so it's not like whether or not it's going to get done
It's going to get done, it's just it's a part of it
It's brushing my teeth
It's taking a **** it's normal
But everything said everything is obituary
Whatever I go out there it is, but when you but my point is like I have momentum and I have health, right?
So I'm I'm fit, I eat right?
I take a lot of vitamins
I'm doing all the right things in that regard
So I have the energy to go out there and workout for obese people
It's so ******* hard because your body
Drained, but you're so you're telling me
Do you think?
That majority these people were talking about
How much time do you think they spend?
On their phones
Just spend a lot of time on the phones, but that's easy to do
The thing you know what I'm saying is like it's not as easy for me
This is just my my own personal realization
My understanding of like the human body when you're really fat, it's
Very hard to get going
It's very hard
Their bodies are ******** like they don't have the energy to do it, and that's just the reality of
What it means to be an obese person?
So what they have to do is force themselves
You know they don't have like this feeling like ah, I can't wait to get to the gym
That feeling it's not there, their feeling is OK
I know that this is a process
It's a long, brutal process, but I must begin it and it must be a part of every day and that's the
Only way I'm gonna get out of
This hold it up
Doug, I mean I don't
I don't wake up and have that and I work out
Six days a week. I don't, and I mean and I built a gym on my property like 300 yards from my house
And I still have to fight myself
Yeah, to get up to go workout at it, right?
I can all you know, I just
It's a choice
It's Goggins talks
About it, so it's
Priority is who the **** has more disciplined than Goggins?
He goes sometimes
I see my shoes, I stare at those ************* for half an hour
I could see him, I could see him in
His house angry looking at his sneakers and then not wanting to go right, yes
I put him on, I say
Stay hard stay
Hard stay hard ************
My favorite video of him
His you know, obviously he's running right. I mean the dude I don't know. I don't know if he ever sleeps, but he he's running and he's like, you know I'm I'm out here and somebody just pulled up next to me. It's a hundred 100% humidity and it's whatever degrees and he's like and he looked at me. He said why are you here?
Or why are you running or something?
And I looked at him and I said 'cause you're ******* not
Well, he needs haters he likes haters he he does
He enjoys him
Like 'cause you're ******* not
He likes lazy people and he likes haters
Do they motivate him?
Yeah he like he's in a constant war like in his mind of against weakness against zone weakness against other people's weakness, you know
That that what I was talking
I mean it's it's kind of the same thing, right?
Like you know, like where you're just
I just talked to myself different
Yeah, I guess yeah, I mean I'm not
That's when I respond
I respect the **** out of that too and I love him to death, but I don't
Think his mindset is healthy
Never in peace
Maybe he's never in
I mean, it's probably not healthy
If he was going to be like
A youth pastor, but
For him to for him to achieve the goals he got, he wants
I mean, he's
Just achieve the goals he wants, but here's what's maybe as important with with him is that Goggins inspires so many people to action
There's so many people that watch his videos and they go
That is an exceptional human being so exceptional
But it's because he's not like this
He's not trying to be well groomed, he's not trying to like worry about offending people like David Goggins is so clear that he doesn't give a **** what you think about him and whether you're watching his video or not, he's going to still
Be getting after
It yeah, it's real too that that that his attitude
About those things
Is 100% real, it's not
I've never met him
No, I love dogs, but he's like I just I watch his videos
And I just like
I wish I could be
That I would I would love to introduce you to him
You'd love him
He's a great guy
You would think that he's like, stay hard all the time, like constantly
But no he
Laughs a lot
He's he's a funny guy
You know, he's he's all
You know he's always
He's always working out right?
So he's always like drained of all the ******** that a lot of people carry around
A lot of people carry around some unnecessary ******** that they could get rid of with
A hard workout
Yeah a hard workout
Like you know the things if you ever notice like the things that bother you like that are on your mind before you start working out versus when you're done
Totally different, you got totally
Totally different life
It's like life is OK, like a ******* brutal workout after it's over
Like whoo, yeah
I'm gonna be alright
You know, honestly, that wasn't
That big of
A deal so
Sorry, big of a deal
It's like that's a form of therapy
It's a, it's A and it's also a form of therapy that requires you to engage and to work
And I think that is just as much an important aspect of it as anything is that you're forcing yourself to do something that's very difficult
And through that you get this alleviation of anxiety and stress and all the good stuff, and it's great for your body
But also it's
Great for your mind because your mind did the work you made your mind
Your mind is what?
Tells your body what the **** to do
You know my friend John Joseph?
He's he's the lead singer the Kromaggs and he's done a bunch of **** ton of triathlons and a bunch of ironmans and one of the things that I love about what he loves about triathlons and Ironman
He says he 'cause your mind has to tell your body
Who the **** The boss is, yeah
You know your mind'cause your body is like oh this is ******** Let's quit and your mind
Is like **** you keep
Going your mind can control the body
I I love
I love those workouts where it's just like
Where it's like
Anybody could do it and you know you could take off like I try to do everything like these workouts I'm talking about for time, right?
Because you know, it's it's like you can take off 'cause you can get through anything
You can pace yourself
You know all these things and for me I just like I like to get to that dark place and I like to just get in there and I just like
To you know for me, I don't
I'm not going to go talk
Like I, I'm not very good at talking to to people about my problems
I feel like I'm inconveniencing them and then when I verbalize them
They're not that big, so
So for me like this is kind of like my time
To my counseling session with myself, I don't say anything and at the end of it I come out and I feel better, you know
But I I'm physically be I'm mentally just I love just getting to that dark place where it's just like Oh yeah, this is
This is where I like it and
I come out of it and I'm like done
I'm ready, ready to get after it again like I'm I'm relieved, you know
But I gotta
Sometimes I just gotta
I have to get in there
I just have to push myself harder and just just be like no like you're I'm going to quit on my terms
Yeah, I'm going to stop on my terms not when my body gets tired I'm gonna stop when I say I'm tired
Yeah, well, I think with a lot of people what's going on is society's created these tensions and these problems
That our body doesn't totally understand and I think our body thinks of conflicts as being danger to our body
Like physically dangerous conflicts, that's what I think our body thinks of conflicts of anything that you've got that's going on is giving you stress
Our body thinks we're going to have to go to war like you're going to have to fight off a neighboring tribe, you're
Going to have to fight off a predator
There's gonna be the way we evolved as a as an intelligent being, the way we got to today is we had to fight off a lot of **** and so your body is programmed to fight off a lot of **** now all of a sudden you get to this place in 2022 where you're not really fighting anything off, but you have those same feelings and I, I think until you
Wreck your body and just tax it out it it can't think rationally
I think all those people that have like major anxiety and major problems and don't have a rigorous workout schedule
I think they do themselves a disservice'cause I don't think you're able to think as clearly
Do you think that like?
I mean, how many people do you think are out there?
That have never been punched in the
Mouth a lot
And go back every generation
Right, like my dad's generation and then he goes
They all got punched
And don't you think 'cause like and don't you think like?
So I believe the biggest issue in in in in just America I just talk America
Is there's no accountability right?
But there is no accountability without conflict and everybody so scared of conflict because like now it's to the point where I can talk **** to you on
Yes, you can't punch me in the mouth or over text right?
And so like there's no accountability and we've, we've dodged all this
I mean, I mean, I remember like when I was in high school
I mean we would fight and then we're friends the next day, and I mean, you know, that's how it was
And now it's like
Crazy **** right?
But but it's like
There's no accountability in this
It's also where the same thing with the same animal that we were your dad's generation. Your grandpa generation with the same creature, but now we have different rules and those rules aren't necessarily compatible with the way our body set
I mean, we're we're built the we're built
To fight, yeah well it's been a it's not whether or not we're built to fight
We're accustomed to it in our lives
Yeah, it's it's
It's a part of what got us here to 2022. This is how the human race is here
Yeah, and I'm not
It's not like we just laid down whatever conflict came because we'd all be dead
But it how many times?
So what happens, you know, like you take these generations as we you know we're scared of conflict
Life is conflict
There's a lot of conflict in life
There's a lot of like
And there's a lot of
Lessons that you learn through
Exactly, and it's like how what's going to happen when you know it got, God forbid that that this country into two more two more generations
Somebody comes here that wants conflict
The real fear is that that happens, right?
Or the real fear is the conflict comes now and we're not prepared for it
And by the time we adjust, it's too late
Yeah, I mean that's that's the issue is
What would it take to snap America back into a position where we value?
I mean, imagine what you do and imagine what I do with Jocko does and Tim Kennedy does
Imagine if the whole country adopted a way of life
You eat healthy
You train almost every day and you think about your problems
You think about accountability
You think about your personality
You think about
Interpersonal conflicts you've been in with friends or with coworkers or what have you, and you try to do better constantly
We'd be infinitely better country that's not infinitely better
It's not, it's not
It's not good for it's not good for business, so it's
Why isn't good for business?
You buy things I
Buy things, yeah, but I
Mean like it's
What's business when you're not depressed and when you're not, you know when you don't have anxiety, you know when you feel better and you have more energy
And I mean this and it just
It's it's a I
I just feel yeah, I mean, I just think that I just think that everything goes back to
You mean like pharmaceutical business, yeah
You know, I mean, everything goes back, convenience and things like that
I mean, obviously it's nice, but you know the the
The more people rely on other like these other things to to do in their daily life, there's more money
To be made there
Yeah, and I just think it's it's just like
I I don't know
I mean, you can't tell people hey look like yeah, I mean it's it's just so tough right now and it's like so tough because like I'm I'm raising my daughters in this and it's like what is it?
Going to look like for them
It's definitely different than it was for us, but I'm wondering, you know, if we're going to figure this out the way we figured out every other generation and learn from the mistakes of the past generations and
And get better at it
I'm I'm, you know, I'm still optimistic, although I I do see a lot of ******* really troubling **** with the way people are handling stuff
And in in society today
I mean I yeah, I mean, look America, we're going to be fine like like now will be fine we'll be fine I'll I'll put everything on it will be fine
Yeah, I mean for
Sure, you're not worried about China or Russia or any this crazy stuff you don't think like Putin is capable of
Like launching a nuke
No, I mean, where is he going to launch?
It to us I
Think it's possible that there could come a time where Putin is experiencing so much pushback that he decides to go nuclear?
So it's kind of like here, right like?
It's, you know when I mean and Millie even admitted this, who did General Millie Joint Chiefs?
What do you?
Say when he told China that he would call them before he looked like
It went under
Well, that was when
You're talking about Trump, right?
Yeah, so so again again
You know, if yeah if if Putin himself was the only person that had to to launch that nuke
But they're still like if Putin launches a nuke on us
What's going to happen right behind it?
Everybody in in Russia is about to suffer
You know what I mean, and I think that like that aspect of
That aspect is
That's why North Korea rock the nuke, right?
Like like these these nukes
I just don't think
And maybe I'm just being optimistic
I just don't think that like I think people will do things whenever they're sure that it's not going to affect them, but I think that like the humanisation factor of, oh, I'm
I'm going to push this
I'm going to support and I'm going to have to push this nuke button or whatever whatever it is, key or whatever
And but I also know that as soon as I do that, like I'm going to get the first hit, but my family is going to suffer
And everybody here is going to suffer
I just again like they're worried about him dropping nukes inside of Ukraine
Well, well, what he said and this is where it gets disturbing what he said is that if anybody supports Ukraine and you know the idea of NATO moves weapons into Ukraine and and put points in Russia, they I believe his quote was something to the nature of they will face horrors the likes of which
The world has never
I mean, so is he committing suicide?
So I if he
Mean, but I mean look how old is?
He how old
Is he, I mean, but that's
Old is he
How old Putin. 667 seventy age price maybe 670?
The 70s6969 OK so
Who knows what his health is like?
Who knows how much time he's got?
Let me you when you got a guy who's
But then you got people under him who have to push the button
How does that work over there do?
They have a similar situation
I mean, some somebody has to do it right?
I mean, he he's not he
I mean he ain't like a
But if he orders the first, I mean he hasn't he given them orders to get close to get ready
Hasn't he put some sort of a nuclear?
What did he?
What was his?
His order that he gave out
We just popped up the level of readiness or whatever
Right, what does that?
I mean, maybe maybe they point him, I don't know
Maybe they get on
My hand in the right direction listen
But the human race has nuked
Countries we have or not us obviously is before our time, but well, that's enough
We're the only we're the only ones
It's just like listen
It's not that long ago
I mean, it seems like a long time ago, 1947, but if you look at in terms of like the overall time that humans have been on this planet, that's pretty recent
But at night
Like if we look at Roman history or Greek history like a 50 year or 60 or 70 year
Gap in between something is not much
But you also had, like
We also had the support
Like nobody like this had affected everybody right?
Nobody like we didn't worry about somebody rocking a
Nuke back at us
We didn't know if they had it
So now we know
We know everybody who's got the nukes, yeah, and so and everybody knows like who's got em, who's got what I mean it's
All obvious, but you know that during the 60s there was some generals that were legitimately thinking about launching nukes against Russia against China against Cuba
There was real talk about this
Like that's what the whole Doctor Strange love movies about
We we actually talked about it yesterday
It's really was based on real people that had these ideas and thought they were actually going to go wind up doing that
I mean I
Just look, anybody can do anything like people can do anything
I just don't think that I just
I mean I, I maybe maybe I just don't see
Like you know when they're talking about nukes inside of
Inside of Ukraine right now I mean
So, but I mean you talk about Putin literally losing it. Like he. I mean he's done, like if he drops a nuke 100%, he's done
Is he though?
Because what if he says I'm going to keep doing this unless you guys back the **** *** but I
Did it once, So what do you?
What what happens then? But honestly, what happens then? Because then we go to war, then everybody dies, right? If we just launch missiles at him and he launches missiles at the United States, mutually assured destruction, right? It you think if 11 nuclear bomb goes off somewhere?
That that would automatically mean a nuclear war
Or do you think people would try to still negotiate?
Depends on where he sends
So I mean like
Do you do?
You think for one second and I don't know
I like there's legit questions right
Do you feel like he's going to drop it in Ukraine while all of his people are there and that his own people aren't?
Going to turn on
Him and be like what the ****
I don't know
I mean, I feel like if he pulls out of Ukraine, pulls the troops out of Ukraine and then nukes it
I mean, it sounds crazy
I don't think
Look obviously I'm not a ******* military analyst
I mean, obviously if he's pulling troops
Out of yeah
I'm not a person
Who really either?
But what I'm saying is who the **** thought that we were going to have a hot war with Russia invades Ukraine with tanks and jets and and they're shooting missiles, new apartment buildings?
That's ******* crazy
And nobody thought that was going to happen just a few months ago
And now it's real
Yeah, I mean again, I'm with you
I mean we we went in, we've gone into Iraq
I mean, you know, I mean, I just don't see
I just don't see
I don't see him going nuclear and I just don't
See, I mean
And I don't see it, but it's possible
I mean, he thinks possible
But that's the thing
It's like it's not just possible, we're in a they are
Rather he's in a war right now
There's a real war like Ukraine and Russia are in a real war that scares the**** out of me man
I mean, China is the one that scares
Me that scares me
Too, I mean China scares me
I mean, I think I think Russia, you know, I think Russia is kind of showed their hands right like?
Russia has kind of been like to my generation
The guy in the bar that you know you walk into
You've never seen him fight, but everybody like, oh, don't mess with that guy, right like?
Don't you just don't ever even mess with him, right? Everybody's been like well, why all you know he's so ******
And I think Putin's more screwed because he's kind of showed that
That I mean, if he can't take on Ukraine, he better not try to come to anybody else
Unless unless they use nuclear
Unless he's go nuclear well again, unless he goes nuclear
Yeah, that's the that's the thing that's ****** is like when he said
I don't think
China would even support him going nuclear
Do they have to look if he's going nuclear?
It's a suicide mission, right?
Yeah, if you think it's like you gotta always be afraid of someone who is a dictator who has ultimate power who's also a psychopath
And that seems to be all those boxes get checked in this scenario
Yeah, I mean I'm with you you but
I don't know man like I want
I want the world to be a better place than it was before and it's just there's a real possibility that it won't be
You know the
Thing that every civilization is worried about, like when when you talk about the possibility of the advancement of the human race
The one big dilemma is if we don't blow ourselves up, that comes up all the time whenever people talk about the future, like what is the world going to be like in a million years?
If we don't blow ourselves up, that's what they always say, like will we get to a point where there is peace and harmony and we no longer have war?
No more than that
No, no more conflict
Why just nature of human beings, yeah?
I mean, it's just in nature of human beings, right?
I mean, there's just no chance
There's no chance of us getting to a place to where there's no war
Yeah, there's too much eh there again, I and I said it earlier
There's too much money to be made on it, right?
And and look and think about, yeah, there's too much money to be made on it and and you don't think that Putin likes making money
I think he thinks
Do you think that's not?
A factor you know
How much money has?
I mean he say they say he has ******* untold billions of dollars
But I just I just don't think that like I, I just don't see
I don't know
I mean again again, the last person on this on the face of the planet that needs to be talking military strategy is is probably
I'm right next to you
So, but it's I mean it's it's it's
And we're both
Lasting long yeah is
It's fun to talk about it but I just I I just don't see I just
Unless he's suicidal
I just I don't see
I would hate
To have this conversation or go back and listen this conversation a year from now after a nuclear bomb has gone off
And we're like, wow, we didn't even see it coming
I'm just saying that
The the real fear that people have about civilizations
Not reaching their full potential is natural disasters or self destruction
Do you ever see and?
Again I don't know
I'm just asking a question
Do you ever see somebody?
I mean, somebody who's willing 'cause, like you know
You know suicidal
Sometimes I don't know suicidal people
They usually just hurt themselves sometimes, right?
I mean obviously there's
A difference I don't think
It's just suicidal, it's like
What do you?
Think it is
You'd want to leave your mark
Like everyone is afraid of that, that was the the whole plot of that Stephen King book
The **** was that book
Uhm, they made into a movie with Christopher Walken the dead zone
There was a guy who could see the future and he there was a guy who was running for president and he could see that this guy was running for president was going to launch the nukes and that
Launching those nukes
Was going to cement their name in the history, which I think for some people is a powerful motivating factor
Believe it or
Not especially as you change
I mean history gets changed up all the time, so I wouldn't bet
Yeah, but especially as you're
Getting older, you know if you
Like what? What is it?
What keeps a guy going when you're 69? You've been running Russia for decades and you have untold billions of dollars like what keeps a guy going?
I mean, I hope I mean
I hope that like
I mean, again, my my friends, my family still being able to
Gosh enjoy my kids right like enjoy my enjoy my grandkids
But you're not a
Dictator, you know, I think we have to think in terms of like dictators like homicidal dictators
There's a lot of dictators that they've done, horrific, genocidal things
They're ruthless, ruthless people
I mean, but you know if that's the case
I mean we're going to have to be worrying about Iran
Yeah, I mean, North Korea
Yeah, like it at the point that that dude gets sick like I mean
I could see it on
Like if Putin got diagnosed with a terminal illness
Yes, but that's the thing
Like what if?
He has one
Did you see the podcast that I did with yawn?
She was a woman who escaped North Korea, bro
Oh, she skipped over there, yeah?
You you listen to her account of what North Korea was like and growing up there
It's horrific, terrifying, and the the fact this guy has complete control of his population through just complete fear
They're they're so tiny over there, she was talking to me about how little everybody is, and she's so frail
She's like when you you like shake her hand like her everything is so small her bones are so small and you realize like she didn't get enough food
And that's that's why everybody so small
They're they're ******* starving
Yeah, I mean yeah, how do you?
Fix it, how do you fix it?
I mean, he keeps that population terrified, terrified and under control
And that's The thing is, it's like that's happening right now in 2022, and one of the things about us is we're so like if someone lives in a wonderful, really safe neighborhood and you just think
This is the world the world is like my neighborhood'cause that's all I experience
And that's your point of reference
Your point of reference is, is great neighborhood that you live in, where everything is safe and you never really have to worry about anything at the same time, there's places in the world like
What was that there was?
Shane Smith from Vice was telling us about
This one city that has the most murders
I think it was in Pakistan
It's one city where there's more like murders and more hits like you know, like people pay people like it's a shockingly low amount of money to commit murder
And they just have them constantly all the time and
It's just the reality of living there
Karachi was that where it was?
But we have all these things in America
What's the murder capital of the?
World Jamie yeah we
Do, but it's small places right like Southside Chicago
When I typed in the city in the world with the most murders, top three were all in Mexico
Whoa, that's now right, yeah, so yeah
But you know, we like
Yeah, I mean it's it's
I don't know, I just sometimes I do get frustrated me
I love this country
I mean I, I do believe we're the greatest country on the face of the planet I
I mean, I believe that with
Everything I have, but sometimes we we
I mean we we we do?
We do think we're better, or like we we look at others and and we're kind of doing the same **** sometimes
You know what I mean, like like?
You know, I mean
Just we, you know we
I don't know it's a good for me
Good, good for good for the but not for me
Kind of mentality sometimes
We were pulling up a chart the other day of the amount of drone strikes that have gone on, while the Ukraine thing is happening that the United States is participating in
It's pretty ******
You know it's pretty ****** like **** There's a lot of drone strikes going on right now
All over the world, United States participates in
So Nat'cause 'cause you're thoughtful on this
So I I wanna I wanna know or you're you're always thoughtful but do you think 'cause I keep hearing this?
Do you think that this issue that's going on in Ukraine?
Do you think it would have happened?
With Donald Trump
I don't know why it's happening, so I can't answer that
I don't know what Trump would have done differently, like it would just be pure speculation
The people that want to think that Trump was a better leader wanna think that, oh, the Ukraine's wouldn't or the rather the Russians wouldn't **** with Trump? He's he's you know he's he's the only guy that Russia hasn't done any invasions
While during his four years in office, but that
Could just be
Luck, but don't you think it's like, don't you think it's kind of weird and again like I, I wanna make this clear I don't care either way, just like on either one
But don't you think it's kind of weird that like they tried to pin Russia on Trump?
And Biden on Ukraine
Before any of this broke
I mean, you know what?
I mean, yeah
Well, the Russia Trump thing was crazy because
Got into his servers they hacked into, they hired people to hack into their campaign while he was president
They got they hacked into their computers
They planted evidence
They tried to implicate him in the shady dealings with Russia, like it wasn't just that
They wanted the Clinton campaign
It wasn't just that they were spying on him, it was that they were like, let's Google that
And so don't let
Google what what has been proven about
Who was it?
That it came up with the information
And it just came out in like 2 weeks later you got this going on
Yeah, very quickly
And don't you think it's kind of crazy like I mean?
Joe Rogan'cause there people weren't upset about it, but that's what's the most ******** like the Democrats weren't freaking out, they weren't saying wait a minute
This is outside of the law
This is a horrific
When we look at what we know
Violation of our laws and our boundaries of our ethics
What we think should be done and not done by someone who's a leader
You want to find people who are actually committing crimes, not pin crimes on people
You know, you just don't think like it's
It's just so weird and I don't know if there's any correlation to it, but I just so weird that like they were trying to plant
Stuff on Trump with Russia
And we know
For a fact
That hunter Biden was taking **** tons of money from Ukraine
Well, as from a company in Ukraine, right?
Well, of course
There's, but that's the question is like does that company represent the government or is that company just it mean?
Is it just like Chevrolet just a corrupt?
I mean it, not the Chevys corrupt
But you know what I mean just
Yeah yeah no, still shot
Just a company
I mean I don't know
I don't know what was going on there
I don't I either
I don't know what, but there seems to be for sure some sort of shady dealings going on when he was getting all that money and it doesn't make any sense
I mean, maybe maybe, maybe it's just a coincidence
Could be what was the?
Are you looking OK?
And then it's like you know, you see that and it's just
I think they******* all talk to foreign lead
They do whatever the **** they can if they think it's gonna help their career, it's going to help their campaign
It's going to help them get over on their rivals
There's a lot of that going on, and I think that's one of the reason why Trump ran the 1st place is 'cause he was on the other side of that like he had to pay the Clintons to come to his wedding
You know, it's that
It's that kind of **** yeah, and it was it
His wedding or is it?
Someone else's wedding is what?
Wedding no, here's
Is this the thing?
What you need to know about the John Durham filing that Trump world is fuming over
And what is this business?
I'm trying to ask if this is even what you were talking about so we can dig into the right story and then so even looking into this
Yes, yeah, it's a Durham filing, yes
Now depending on what link I click
It's with click you
Click Link, I click it's it's filled with bias so like OK
Yeah, well, this is definitely a biased website, but so they're biased towards things being in inflamed
Yeah, it's just, it's just
It's just crazy
You know, like so?
Which where should I go then?
That's a, that's a
Good question 'cause I've typed in what has been proven
Good Durham yeah, what is what's a good way to look at this?
None of them
Some of them have to be accurate
What we know about the Durham probe Hillary Clinton's responsibility for the Durham Cloak
Who's going to have written that unbiased article to find?
I don't know what do you got anything that's going both ways
We're starting to read through that
So I can if you give me a minute
Yeah, I just yeah
I mean it's just, but I mean it's just it's just I don't know it's just so like when you start looking at it
It's dirty like you that is Watergate, right?
Wasn't that Watergate wasn't wasn't they were spying?
That was the whole reason why Dick Nixon got out of office 'cause he was ******* spying, yeah?
Yeah, that's you're not supposed to do that
But now it's like I don't know, but it's just like we talked about we talked, we talked about in those relationships like you know you you, you do something and then that all the my gosh I can't believe this happened like it's like the worst thing ever and then it just happens over and over and you kind of just get numb to it right?
And it's like with with politics
Now it's like they're I don't know what you could do
To to get for it to be like Oh my gosh right like you know I mean, Can you imagine if what like Bill Clinton if he got a ******* today in
The White House would be
Nothing. He's not getting impeached
No chance like they would probably raise him up as a
Hero, yeah they would come up with some reason why you know he
You know it's just hypersexual individual who is tempted by his genetics and
His fault, you know
I got one
One thing that might already be a mistake that's in this
This was there was a filing that happened last week
That's gotten this back in the news when the initial spying happened on Trump
Wasn't it because the Obamas, like Obama, was in office and they were spying on the candidates?
I think that was the original that was the original part, yeah?
So according to this, the New York Times says that they changed
That that, like I don't know who they like the Trump team. I guess they were initially saying it was Obama's and now they're saying it was the Clintons team that was doing the spying
Right, but maybe they thought it was the Obama they knew it was the Democrats, perhaps?
And then we thought it was the the people that were in power and it turns out it's not the people in power, it was Clinton 'cause she was running against Trump
I mean either way
I mean, that doesn't necessarily
That doesn't make sense though'cause you how that means that she is in control, the FBI or wherever is doing that, and she's just a candidate
Well, the general she
Was a secretary
She wasn't just a candidate, she was she
I don't think
I mean she was a Secretary of State
You have to give that up
Though to become the candidate, yeah, but the connections that she had with those people are if she is the favorite to win the president
And the presidency
And she was
The connections that she had with those people
The only question you gotta ask is in this whole thing is do you?
Do you think Obama knew?
Yeah, I think he knows everything right, but he also ******* hated the idea of Trump being president
Wow course like they are
She, he thought Trump was, you know, a scoundrel
I mean, you remember that ******* White House press conference dinner?
It was kind of hilarious where he says to Trump. I'm one thing you'll never be president, United States like Oh my God, you got it in that guy's craw. That's probably why he became the president
Oh for sure
Probably stuck in his ******* head
He's like I'll show you ************ and you know the thing that scares me is that whether you like Trump or or or hate him, he polarizes the country like he's not a Republican like Ron DeSantis
I think there's a lot of people don't like Ron DeSantis, but it is not
He's not polarizing
The way Trump is, I mean he's still polarizing, but he's not
People don't ******* hate him
In the same way that they hate
Trump Trump I don't
Yeah, I mean Trump was exhausting
Yeah, you know
And it's, uh, constantly in arguments and fights with people and going after them and Rosie O'Donnell and girls he banged and all the crazy crazy things to concentrate on
You know, it's like God, man
The stuff he said
You know, Oh my God, it was hilarious
Look if he was
If he wasn't the president and he wasn't a real threat, that's the thing that really ****** him
Because before that the guy was loved
He was crazy and a lot of people hated him
But for the most part he was loved
Yeah, I mean I'll say this like under
I felt like
I feel like the country was safe
Like you know
I wish I knew that
Was true, we?
I mean, I don't know if it's true or not, but I got felt for me like I felt like
I mean, I felt like that you know what I, I'll say this, I think just the unknown factor about him made America safer because enemies did not want to even mess
With him, well, he's definitely wild
The Wild card factor
Like you said, to look to Kim Jong Un
We called him little rocket man
He said we have a nuclear button to our nucleus buttons
Are way better
Here's the other side I
Guess was to say Pavlich this is the hill
Katie Pavlich says it was always spying
So what does this mean here?
It kind of just goes into the story about what starts at the beginning. I think like April 10th, 2019
This is what was said
It goes in
OK, here's here's the quote here it says
For the same reason, we're worried about foreign influence in elections
We want to make sure that during the elections, I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal
It's a big deal, Barr testified
Spying did occur, yes, I think spying did occur
The question is whether it was predicated adequately predicated
I'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated
But I need to explore that
I think it's my obligation
Congress is usually very concerned about intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies staying in their proper lane, and I want to make sure that that happened
We have a lot of rules about that, but we know that there is a lot of like a lot of the intelligence agencies did not ******* like Trump and he like went to war with those people, which is insane
It's just ****** We're ****** it's a lot
Of mess we're****** it's a lot of mess
Lot of mess, you know
And then where are we going?
To be in 2024? Excuse me 2024 because he's running again
So here we are 2022. That means 100%. Yeah, I think so, don't you think? So you just announced its
You really think he's gonna run again?
Just just I mean
Not nothing surprised does any
What what would it?
What would surprise you like tomorrow?
You wake up?
What could surprise you at this?
Point it's a good question, yeah?
That's a good question, everything so aliens
Would that really surprise you?
I mean like yes no
That would be a surprise
You don't think?
I was like wow
But I mean, I wouldn't even know whether I believe it because like if you really wanted to **** with people, look, I think that a lot of what we're looking at when we're looking at UFO's. And I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I think a lot of it is
These classified government projects
I think they have
They probably have classified propulsion systems that maybe don't even use people
They're probably just drones, but I think they have capabilities that we don't understand yet in terms of like the general public, and they've been working on these sort of different types of propulsion, magnetic propulsion systems
These have been theoretical for a long time
And then this thing that Babolsar supposedly worked on way back in the late 80s at area S4. The way he described it is exactly the way these things are moving the way you know that you see these crafts move like what the one that was observed by Commander David Fravor, the one that was observed by a lot of these other guys that are
These Air Force folks that are catching these objects moving at these insane rates of speed
They're going from ground to water, from sky to water
Rather yeah, they don't know what the **** is going on, but if they
If they're working on these things, it kind of makes sense'cause they're always happening like this one
Here's 1, the phucking one that was in San Diego
Well, why would it be in San Diego?
Well, why wouldn't it be?
That's where the ******* military bases are
There's so much military in San Diego
If you were going to work on some
Top secret classified ****
You'd have to be near basis, right?
You'd wanna do it there
That's where they would
Yeah, I mean I I just yeah I don't know
Don't know either
I mean what if?
What if, what, what, what if?
I don't know
What if we're all like?
What if we're all getting played like what if like like?
What if they?
What if like?
What if the aliens are doing all this to us like?
I don't think I don't think that's happening
I think we're too stupid
I think it's pretty clear that we're doing it to ourselves through corruption
I mean what we've done in the United States is we have allowed money to get into politics
We've allowed money to get into
It's getting our military
Yes yes yes yes
A lot of it
I mean, that was what Eisenhower warned about when he was leaving office
I mean that speech
When he warns about the dangers of the military industrial complex, that is a terrifying speech because that was a guy
Who knew you?
Know he knew exactly what was going on behind the scenes and he chose to take the time when he's leaving office to to warn about a machine that wants
To go to war
That wants to find reasons to go to war to profit, and that we know that
That's real we
And that's all we that that that I mean
That's why we stayed in Afghanistan and Iraq so long
I'm sure I had a factor, right?
Yeah, and then there's people that think we should've stayed there indefinitely
You don't think for a second like?
Yeah, for why like why?
Like if the Taliban had thought that we were going to come occupy them for 20 years
They would have gave over Osama bin Laden on September 12th
You think so
Yeah, they didn't want us there
You know, I mean like they could have kept going on about business as usual and and you know, I, I just no
I mean we were there and
You know, even though this administration completely**** this whole pullout up
Every other administration had the same opportunity to pull us out
But they didn't write and
I think they were warned that this is how it
Was going to go down right, yeah?
And so it's like I'm glad we're out
I'm glad we're out
I mean, it would have been nice if we didn't
Give him all those weapons though, right?
Well, why do you think we left him there?'cause then we gotta build more
Oh come on
Come on kidding me
I honestly didn't even think of that
Guess what all?
All these all these weapon systems, all this military gear
Well now we're just we have to build the next Gen gin 'cause they've got it now, right?
It's like a modern version and then Smedley Butler
That, but she's mentally Butler
I think he was in he he was a
Medal recipient yeah
And it was in the 1930s. I believe. This was after World War One
I think it was 33. He wrote this. It was called war as a racket and this is a guy that
Had served overseas and thought what he was doing like like you could pull it up
Jamie 'cause it's kind of interesting
He was saying that what he thought he was doing was just protecting the world for bankers and different wars or racket1935 Smedley Butler
He got two
He got two Medal of honors
You know that dude, he's a ******
Give the speech about
See if you can find
It's not a long thing to read
But it it's essentially
I'm sure it would be in that Wikipedia at the top
Yeah it should be
Go down to
It should be available to read
Well, essentially what he said though was that he realized
Little oh here here it goes perfect
War is a racket
It always has been
It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable
Surely the most vicious it is the only one international in scope
It is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and losses in lives
A racket is best described, I believe
As something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people, only a small inside group knows what it's about
It's conducted for the benefit of the very few
At the expense of the very many
Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes
Well, he said, I helped make Mexico especially
Tampico safe for American oil interests. In 1914 I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National Citibank Boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the ****** of half a dozen Central American republics
For the benefit of Wall Street
The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1909 to 1912
Where have I heard?
Where have I heard that name before I bought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar business?
Interest rather in 1916 in China I helped see to it that Standard Oil
Went its way unmolested
I mean, this is
He was writing about this in the 1930s, almost 100 years ago
We've seen a lot of
Rackets lately yeah
Yeah, that's why that that
I remember reading that I think the first time I read it was in the 90s
I was like wow like this is crazy
This guy wrote about this in the 1930s like you you would
And this won't be fixed until our leaders can't be like the leaders of this country
The servants cannot
They don't go up there and become richer when they come home
And all of them
Do all of them do?
Like you should not be able to have either
Blind trust is is the lenient part of it
When you have stocks and you're you're in those positions, but I don't think you should be able to have stocks you shouldn't like
You shouldn't have to go up there
And purely you're here to serve
Well, you get
A lot less people wanting that ******* job
Well, I mean, but you also might be able to get more relevant people to what the everyday citizen lives
I think the real problem is, once it's already established the way it is now where there is a lot of financial influence where they do contribute to the campaigns where they do have special interest groups where they do
Have these people that help them get into office and they're beholden to them once they get in there and then you have people like Nancy Pelosi that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and they make 200
Grand a year and you're like what?
But she made
She makes that money
Based off the information she ******* knows
Which is crazy
Which is crazy, but it's like it's just like like Obamacare was a perfect example
Everybody else was forced to get it except them
Like it's crazy
It's crazy that you know that that they can
They can have information, so the **** that they can do, they're not held accountable if they know inside like go look at the I
I did a podcast on the American party but or me and Dan did a podcast on American Party podcast about trading up like trading within within
You know, the house and all that
Oh, you see, the list of all the people that
Trade is like wow
And and then what you look at is is you look at like oh, they invested in Raytheon or whatever and then they they knew that three days later they were going to vote on a contract that was going
To go to
Them jumps their profits up and raises the stock price up
It's crazy that it's legal
It's crazy, it's legal because if you were a person on Wall Street and you did something
You go to
You're going to jail
I know it's
Nuts, it's a it's crazy
Loophole, but it's like you were talking about before that we're just accustomed to it
We get numb to it
What you gonna do?
And that's that's what they rely on
You know, rely on
It's crazy that that that that it's OK and until again until but at what point do you hold them accountable, right?
Like that's the hard part and
What's gonna what is it going to take for it to change and how is it going to change and what you know what's going to be the method?
Will you start by?
You start by
You start by First off being a good individual and doing the right thing, and then you do that in your home and you start raising good decent moral children, and then you you expand that that expands the community and then it just expands
That's the only way to fix it
You don't fix it, you can't fix it by going up there and
A coop or whatever
You have to fix everybody
Yet you have to start with yourself
That's naughty and the way forward
And on that the way forward
The book that's out today, right now
Robert O'Neill, Dakota Meyer, Dakota your bad ************
Man sounds good seeing you
Thanks, I appreciate you brother
Good seeing you
Too alright bye everybody