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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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@Joe Rogan

Pleasure to meet you

@Unknown

How it goes?

@Joe Rogan

Right there, yeah, like pulling a fist from your face is what I usually tell people

Well, I'm enjoying your book

Which one?

@Sadhguru

What are you reading?

@Joe Rogan

I'm in the middle of inner engineering

@Sadhguru

Which one?

OK

@Joe Rogan

Why is that funny that a funny one?

@Sadhguru

No, that was the

I mean, after the three books have come, so I was thinking you must have gotten a

More recent one

@Joe Rogan

Well, I found some of your stuff online and I started watching some of your videos online and they're very interesting and very educational

And then I said, alright, let me find out what this guy is all about and so I got it into that book

How did you find out about me?

Because your people reached out to be on here

@Sadhguru

Well, right now we are on this soil mission

I brought you a little bit of gift

It's an Indian mint

@Joe Rogan

Indian mint

@Sadhguru

This leaf on empty stomach

If you just chew 2 leaves, they're not very pleasant to eat and then drink some, maybe tepid, water

@Joe Rogan

OK

@Sadhguru

It is a great blood purifier

Blood cure yes

@Joe Rogan

Purifer has it purify your blood

How does that work?

@Sadhguru

It has the necessary juices in it to do that

@Joe Rogan

The necessary juices save soil

I always wondered about these things about pots that plants come in

Do you think plants like that?

@Sadhguru

Huh, definitely not

They would like to grow wild

This is just a baby

It's in a nursery

You have to take it home and put it

In your backyard. OK that

@Joe Rogan

That's what I wanted to hear

@Sadhguru

Not a much bigger part

@Joe Rogan

Because once I started learning about mycology and how

@Sadhguru

This is this is not where it would like

This is just a baby

@Joe Rogan

Just a baby, even a big pot

They don't really like that right?

They would like to be in the ground

@Sadhguru

These can these can ground is best

There's no question because there is a ecosystem which has to connect with

It, there's nothing like the ground, but because in Texas or in Austin it could get

Too cold for her

Oh, so she may not survive in your garden, then you have to bring her in

@Joe Rogan

I don't her to die

@Sadhguru

Want so winter time?

Maybe you will have to bring it

@Joe Rogan

In so so maybe I can pot it outside during the spring and then put it inside

@Sadhguru

Until you have to bring it in

@Joe Rogan

OK, alright we'll work it out

We'll figure it out

@Sadhguru

Because she's Indian, you know

@Joe Rogan

She's Indian, yeah I know don't wanna

@Sadhguru

I mean really Indian, not a Native American, right?

@Joe Rogan

They have a lot of Indian animals in Texas

Believe it or not, yeah

Axis deer

It's very common animal out here

@Sadhguru

Really OK

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, they're they imported them here

I don't know when, but they're all over the place

I saw one like six months ago on the side of the road

So some things from India survived, but a lot of them died off last year

We had a very big freeze that lasted for a couple of weeks and a lot of lot of exotic animals from other countries

That people brought in

@Sadhguru

Unless they are from northern part of India where it's in the Himalayan region, they may survive

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

But South Indian animals like me

Won't make it in winter

@Joe Rogan

So you're on this Grand Tour right now

You're saying you just got back from you, were in New York, right?

@Sadhguru

Yes, I was in. I just came from I2 days ago

Then I was in New York, Tennessee, New York, and here and today

This night I'm leaving for Caribbean because we are making signing some

Memorandum of understanding with the CARICOM nations for the soil safe soil movement so they're all coming on board. We have made a policy document specific for each country depending on their latitude, soil types, economic conditions, and agricultural traditions of an individual nation. Based on this 192 nations

We've made soil policies

@Joe Rogan

So this is something that you're very concerned about, and rightly so that there's a problem with the topsoil in America in particular that we've been aware of for a long time, but there's only like what is, what's the number, like 45 years worth of topsoil left? If we go about practices the same way?

@Sadhguru

So sliding means on one level there is loss of nutrients in the food and another level

And the highest suicide rate give debt only what is suitable for that crop

All right?

It's not like they're going to give you a billion dollars to do some farming

They're going to calculate and give you why is he not able to pay it back?

He's not able to pay it back

One main reason he's the input cost is going up year on year because the soil fertility is going down and the input

Cost is going up to a point where it's no more practical to do it

@Joe Rogan

There was also some sort of an an issue with Monsanto, correct?

@Sadhguru

Those things are there, but

@Joe Rogan

You don't think that's a big deal?

@Sadhguru

It would be if it came big time, but Monsanto is not so big time in India yet

@Joe Rogan

It's not

@Sadhguru

Oh no, the policies have kind of blocked it and made it regulated, so we're not

We have not taken to GMO crops in a big way, only a few few items we have taken

Even that people are protesting and generally farmers are aware and most people large number of farmers have rejected it so

That's a different aspect

See the problem is always

We are always seeing whom to hit

Alright, so this is a moment which is not against anybody because

In this one thing we can all come together as one we may be of different nations

We may be of different racial backgrounds, religious backgrounds, caste, creed, gender, whatever, and political ideologies, whatever

But we all come from soil live off the soil and when we die we go back to the soil

The only question we have in our life is

Will we get this?

That soil is the basis of our existence here

Will we get this now or will we get it when we buried?

That's the only choice we have

So having said that, see people are talking about organic farming

These are all

Urban people talking about it

They've never farmed in their life

They don't know what it means to do organic farming right now

If the world shifts to organic farming

That is death for most of the population

@Joe Rogan

So when they're talking about organic farming, they're talking about farming with no pesticides, no herbicides

@Sadhguru

No pesticides, no fertilizer

All this for this

@Joe Rogan

No fertilizer fertilizer is non organic

@Sadhguru

Yes, it is chemical fertilizer right?

@Joe Rogan

OK, but what about organic fertilizer?

@Sadhguru

That is a man

You're right that is organic content is different so that so people who are talking about this it's an ideal life

@Joe Rogan

That's something

@Sadhguru

OK

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

But will Farmer, who is doing it for his commercial requirement?

Will he be able to conduct his agriculture in an idealistic way?

No, believe me, I've

In engage with farmers, it's not like that

It's like you're eating good food, but if you have yourself checked up, your doctor may say, well, your calcium is little deficient you iron is deficient, right?

So take these two pills

So you took these two pills and tomorrow you felt great

Then you decided you don't have to really eat food

You can just eat a lot of these pills and you will be fine

That is how we have done agriculture

We had rich soil in that whatever is with deficient, we we put a little bit of nitrogen or phosphate or something

Suddenly the crops burst out. Yeah, then we forgot that we have to put organic content. We just started putting these salts forever and in 25 to 30 years time the soil becomes fallow

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, there's a book I read years ago called Dead Doctors Don't lie by a man named Doctor Joel Wallach and it talked about mineral deficiencies from topsoils

It was a big issue and one of the things that he brought up is that

People who grow agriculture and have animals have known forever that they have to supplement the animals diets with minerals and that this is primarily because the food that they're getting is not minerally, sufficient, and that's the same thing with our own food

Is it?

Even though you can grow a lot of these vegetables

You're not getting the same nutrients that you would if you had rich topsoil

@Sadhguru

Not at all

Not at all

So the amount of nourishment or micronutrients that you got from a given vegetable, let's say in early 20th century, let's say 1920 and today what you're getting from the same thing, is approximately 10% of

@Joe Rogan

10%

@Sadhguru

That yes, 90% drop has happened, so it's especially

@Joe Rogan

Wow, enough to grow the

@Sadhguru

This food, these studies are available in United States everywhere in the world. They're not enough studies, but it could be a similar number, if not the same amount. It could be something like that anywhere between 10 to 25%, let's say

For example, if you ate an orange in 1920 today to get the same stuff, you will have to eat 8 oranges

Wow, so it's simply not practical. So people think these malnourishment, these problems, and these starvation, these things will happen only to Africa or South America, or somewhere. No World Food program predicts that by 2035. There could be famines around Illinois region

@Joe Rogan

Because the food that they're eating is deficient

@Sadhguru

No, The thing is the soil has been so used up. You heard of 1930s the Dust Bowl yesterday I was in New York and I was talking to somebody there

So they're saying that some whatever volume

I don't know the volume, but some enormous amount of dust came and settled in New York City

When the dust bowls just came up like you know it just blinded the whole half the country

So people are calculating how many, whatever million tons or hundreds and thousands of tons of dust or soil landed up in New York City

See it stopped in New York City because of the tall buildings and stuff

But how many millions of tons of soil American soil went and landed in Atlantic Ocean that you can never calculate, right?

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

When we farmers are growing these monocrop

Agriculture, like if they're they're growing corn or soy or things like that

It is that part of the problems

It's not enough regenerative agriculture, not enough manure

Animals grazing in the same lands

@Sadhguru

Monoculture is a basic problem, OK?

And we've gotten into this kind of thing because we are looking at soil like some industrial machine that we put in so much and we have to get so much

But soil is a living thing. If you take a handful of soil, there are anywhere between 7 to 10,010 billion organisms in it anywhere between 50 to 75,000 species of organisms in it

But now with we are plowing with machines

It plows anywhere between 12 to 14 inches

87% of the life on this planet, including you and me, come from the 1st 12 to 15 inches

Of the soil

But we are plowing the soil 12 to 14 inches, leaving it open to harsh sunlight and leaving it like that for months

That itself is a tremendous damage we have taken to this because

Both monoculture you crop everything at once

If it was multiculture, you would crop one thing the other thing

Other thing would be still there

And when you by the time you crop that, another one would have again grown up

You know there would be some greenery on the soil and organic activity would be going on

Microorganisms would be alive and active

But now it's a single crop

You take everything out by machines, plow it, and leave it open to the sun

That's causing a massive damage

@Joe Rogan

Now if we do it another way, if you have a bunch of different plants growing there and you you leave trees for shade and all sorts, is there enough land?

@Unknown

So it's

@Joe Rogan

With what you're what they're growing on now with the amount of food that they're growing now, is this scalable?

If you have some sort of regenerative agriculture plan?

@Sadhguru

We can grow much more on much less land really. Yes. See, we have been doing this for over 2425 years now

We've converted a few 100,000 farmers into what is called as tree based agriculture. Earlier we used to call it as

The agroforestry then it came under trouble, because then the whole thing went under the Forest Ministry

Forest Ministry is full of restrictions

It is actually agricultural land, but it was called as agroforestry, so we retitled it as tree based agriculture

So now it's under the Agriculture ministry

Because it's farmers land, it's not forestland, right?

So by doing this properly, there are scientific ways of doing it

Different crops can be done differently and pruning the trees at the right time and taking that C enough

Green material should be generated on the farm

Enough animal waste must be generated on the farm

Right now animals have gone out of the farms

And trees have gone off the farm

So where is the organic material?

These are only two two sources of organic material that you have in the world

You may have any kind because I have been in California in the last month and whatever you say somebody comes up and says Sadhguru, my friend has made an app

It can solve any problem

See with technology you may

Be able to improve the application

I'll give that margin, but you cannot generate organic content with technology

It's only plant life and animal life which can create

Organic content there is no way you can generate organic content anywhere else

It has to come from the land simply

There is no other way if I can tell you a joke, you getting very serious about this soil business

@Joe Rogan

I love a joke

@Sadhguru

This happened in 2060. A few scientists from the planet

Got an appointment with God?

They wanted to meet him

They went there and said, hey old man, you don't pretty well with creation

But today everything that you can do, we can also do it's time you retire

God said always that

So what is it that you can do?

So they dug up a little bit of soil and made a vague picture of a human child and did so many things and within a few minutes the child set up alive

God said, oh that's really impressive

But first get your own soil

Everything whether it's a worm or an insect or a plant or a bird or an animal or human beings, we've all come from soil

There is nothing else here on this planet, which is not the the source is not soil

Everything the sources soil

@Joe Rogan

So say if you have something that's a large mono crop, like corn

It's a big one in America, and you wanted to

Transfer transform the way they're growing corn and make it so that it's sustainable and that you have some sort of regenerative regenerative agriculture situation

How would you?

@Sadhguru

Do that, see if you wanted to grow monocrops I

I wouldn't advise that I that's not the best way to do it, but for commercial reasons you want to do monocropping

Right, right, you're a corn farmer

You don't want to grow anything else

If that is so, you must put back substantial amount of organic content, because even if you take a corn plant which grows almost 6 to 7 feet tall and you're only eating the corn, you don't have animals on the farm

Largely if you just the plant part of it

If you just chop it into pieces and put it back in the soil

The soil will be very happy you got your corn anyway and

So I will be very

@Joe Rogan

Rich, what do they do with?

@Sadhguru

It now right now they Bale it up and sell it to somebody

Some people in some countries they just burn it

They use it as fuel for you know household purposes or they use it in so many other ways

But it is not going back into

@Joe Rogan

The soil and they just use commercial fertilizer

For growing plants

@Sadhguru

Yes, that will last C that will last for 1st 1020 years maximum

After that it will start diminishing because you can't just grow with salts, you need organic content because the way the soil mechanics happen is it's a very complex and sophisticated marketplace

The plants have to capture the carbon from the atmosphere and make it into carbon sugars and that is the currency with which it can exchange for nutrients with organisms

They won't give it free

So even in our own stomach you today, you know that without the gut microbiome, you cannot really digest the food that you eat without their cooperation, though

What is happening in the soil is probably 1010 thousand or a million times more complex operation. Who we are right now as a life we are

Just a consequence of what's happening in the soil, even in the evolutionary process

That's how it's happened

That today what we are right now over 60% of our body is actually micro organisms only 40% is our parental genetics

Rest is all micro organisms

So what we are now is a reflection of what's in the soil

The moment you weaken the soil, life on the planet will start becoming weak

People don't notice this

I know this is a controversial thing to say

But I think you're known for controversy

So what's my problem?

So I'm saying, see for example, there are certain countries which are suffering this whole corona virus much more than the other

I don't want to make a absolute statement about this, but one thing is something we must look at is any doctor

You don't need

A top viral a

Just a simple doctor will tell you if you lack vitamin A, vitamin B6B12 DE and you know fully 8 and iron and zinc and magnesium in your

The system you will become susceptible to upper respiratory tract infections

This is a known fact

Yes O

What is the deficiency in America?

Vitamin E most Americans are 90% deficient D

Yes, vitamin A 43% deficient vitamin C 39% deficient like this. You can go on with all these deficiencies. We are trying to make it up with pills I see. I was in Los Angeles last month

And there is a building sized hoarding which says my favorite pharmacy

Said when did this happen?

When the next thing is you'll say my favorite hospital

Next thing you'll say my favorite cemetery

Yeah, your pharmacy and hospital and cemetery are not favorite places we go there only when it's inevitable

We may have

To go there

Yeah, but we don't wish to go there when you say something is my favorite, you want to go there all right?

That's what it means

So you should never have a favorite pharmacy or a favorite cemetery for that matter

It is a place when it's inevitable something some trouble came

We will have to go

But today it's become the norm in, well, the most affluent country in the nation where there's a variety of choices of nourishment in this country

Without pills you cannot exist

Because the food doesn't have the stuff

So once the food doesn't have the stuff people won't have it either

All animals won't have it either, so the very species will become weaker and weaker by the day in a few generations it'll become so weak that we won't be able to sustain a common cold

We could become like that, so you taking a pill will bridge you for some time

It is not a solution for life

When something is lacking, a pill will bridges across a little bit, but it is not a solution how it comes through the complex mechanism of food and how it becomes part of our body and a simple chemical of a tablet

They are not the same thing

They will not do the same things to us and what other consequences it has nobody can

Never estimate because there are so many other consequences in a country like United States where there is a whole choice of nourishment and a whole choice of lifestyles

You are spending nearly three and a half trillion dollars in health care. That is a huge statement about America's health

@Joe Rogan

Well, it's it's very obvious if you look at most Americans and what's really interesting is there was a. There's been some photos that people have put up recently of beaches from the 1970s and you see these people on the beach with their shirts off and bikinis on and

They look so good they look so much healthier

They look so much different than people look today when you go to the beach today you have a large

I mean, it's a representative of America and in America it's some large percentage of people are overweight

A lot of that is 'cause what's fast and quick and available and ignorance

@Sadhguru

See one one thing about one thing about obesity is

So when the food lacks the necessary nutrients, the body longs for more food

Yes to fulfill

Knee so you end up eating more and more thinking you will

I mean the body is thinking that it'll get nourishment by eating more, right?

That more makes you grow horizontally

@Joe Rogan

Yes, and it's also like the kind of food you know

If there's food that has a lot of sugar in it, your body freaks out and it just wants more of it

It can't stop eating it because it's an unnatural state

To have that much sugar in something that doesn't have fiber, that, like if you're drinking a sugary drink

@Sadhguru

I mean

It's I don't know how to say this

I'm not being disparaging about a nation or a society, but the food choices in America are atrocious

@Joe Rogan

Go ahead

There's a lot of bad choices, but it's also there's a disconnect in America because there's so many people that live in urban environments

That are completely removed from the process of growing, raising cattle, raising animals, raising food, growing vegetables

They have no connection to it

They don't know about it at all

They just look for the term organic when they go to the supermarket and they feel like they're healthy

If they do that

@Sadhguru

See, I mean, this is not a talking about women's choices of footwear, but I call this high heel life. That means you're well above the earth

You're living in an apartment which is 14 floors above the Earth

You're working all the time with insulated from the earth in every way

You are trying to be away from the earth

Yeah, which is the wrong way

You people may believe they will go to different types of heavens depending on their belief systems

But we all come from the same soil being connected with that is most essential because the body is thriving only because of its natural connection

@Joe Rogan

Well, they have classes now where people are grounding

Where they go outside and they take their shoes off and walk around, then lay on the ground

@Sadhguru

They're paying money to hug a cow

@Joe Rogan

Like they have to teach them

@Unknown

How to do it, yes

@Sadhguru

You know that?

@Joe Rogan

Legitimate tree hugging like real tree hugging like it used to be a, you know, a term that we use to people to make fun of them

But now it's legitimate like people are hugging trees to try to get better

Grounding is like the the principles of grounding

The idea is that there's some sort of a connection that you get

From mother Earth that the only way you get it is to be bare skin touching the grass and the soil, and that there's actually a benefit to that

@Sadhguru

Now they're mainly talking about the electrical positive charge getting neutralized that

Is that is true it is

It is true, but it's not the most important aspect

The more important aspect is

The microbial life in your body and the microbial life in the soil are cousins

They need to meet

They need reunions often

If that doesn't happen, you're living like a lab rat all the time

Washing yourself up with all kinds of things that nothing can be on your hands

Nothing can be on your feet, so there is no connection

With the source in that the body suffers and today there is substantial scientific data to show how

You know, micronutrients or lack of micronutrients and mental illnesses are very directly connected

Yes, today The Who is predicting a mental illness pandemic. See what this means is we said coronavirus pandemic. What this means is

If we are in this room 3 people

All three of us are susceptible

We may get it all right now

Mental illness pandemic means just that

Any one of us can go lose it right now

Well, we're going there

I mean in in 2020 in Japan, more people committed suicide than they died of coronavirus. How's that?

@Joe Rogan

It's pretty crazy

@Sadhguru

So in a country where it's affluent, they're not dying for economic reasons, obviously not because of poverty, not because of hunger

No, just they're not able to handle their own minds

One important aspect, it's not the only aspect, but one important aspect is lack of micronutrients that's directly connected to the type of soil that we're walking up on right now, and where we grow food

When we say where we grow food, 71% of the world's soil or world's land is under cultivation in the world

So why I'm focusing on agricultural soil?

People ask why not what rainforest, why not the ocean? Yes, all those things need to be taken care of. I 100% agree with that but

Agricultural soil is that place agricultural land is that place which is every day tended to by a human being

A man or a woman is on the land tending to it

The place that is being regularly tended to by a human being is in its worst possible condition where there is no human footprint

Everything seems to be fine

Well the problem is just this

See, we are the most intelligent species on the planet, or more intellectual species on the planet

I would I would like to withdraw the intelligence aspect

We are the most competent for sure

In terms of ability to do things

Our competence is increasing by the day. What 1000 people or 10,000 people could not do. 1000 years ago today, one man can do that is the level of competence. Because of technology we have that

With this level of competence and intellect

One important thing is we must be functioning consciously

If we function unconsciously and compulsively, we become a destructive force

All this destruction is happened not because of some evil plan

When you mentioned a company and said is it them?

This is why I don't want this narrative to grow

It is not happened because of some evil plan

This has happened in search of human well being

@Joe Rogan

In search of human well being

@Sadhguru

Yeah, human beings trying to be happy human beings trying to live well

That is why they turned a planet upside down, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

In some ways, but it's also profit

Human beings trying to profit, so they're doing things that aren't necessarily sustainable

@Sadhguru

People want people want profit because that is the only way

They can be well

Those who are making losses, are they well?

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, sort of, but a lot of them, they're they're already well, they're they're greedy, they they've gotten past the point of being well, and now they've gotten connected to the idea of accumulating vast sums of money

@Sadhguru

See that is that is

That is being judgmental

Calling somebody greedy because

See if I have one meal a day, which is my normal

I think I'm doing fine

If somebody else has one meal a day, he thinks he's very poor

He wants 2

The guy is having two

Thinks he's poor because somebody else is having three

One who has a little home

He thinks he's poor because somebody has a big home like this

So what is greed and what is not greed?

I wouldn't like to

@Joe Rogan

Well, I'll tell you what greed is

If you make choices where you know that the thing that you are doing, whether you're distributing a product or whether you're causing an action that is going to be detrimental to human beings, but you cover up the data to hide the fact that it's going to be detrimental because you want to maximize your profit and you don't care

About the negative impact it has on people, 'cause you're only thinking about money and you're already substantially wealthy, that by definition, is being greedy, right?

@Sadhguru

See by definition it's like this

Somebody is dreaming of $1,000,000. He thinks that is the ultimate goal in his life, but a guy who has a million is wanting to be a

Billionaire right?

One who is a billionaire. He looks at somebody who has $100 billion. He thinks at least that much

He must have

Right, so I'm saying instead of being judgmental about this human well being is sought from outside

That is the whole problem

Human experience essentially happens from within

Whether it's your

Joy or misery comes from within you, isn't it?

Maybe somebody or something can stimulate it from outside, but still it happens within you

Joy and misery happens from within you

Pain and pleasure happens from within you

Agony and ecstasy happens from within you

Every human experience happens from within you

But in pursuit of happiness, we're turning the world upside down

Because this is the case of a

You know there was a old potato farmer one day he wanted to eat apples, so he went to an apple tree

But by habit he started digging for the apples

Till the tree came down on

Him because he's a

Potato farmer, so right human beings have become like this

They have gotten used to this that they think by getting this by getting that by having one more thing and one more thing they're going to

Be happy

Yes, but human experience happens from within

If you take charge of your interiority

Being peaceful and happy is a natural consequence of that

But for convenience and comfort, we do things outside to create impact

We do things outside, so this experience of if human beings were naturally joyful by their own nature

They would only do what is needed, nothing more, nothing less, but right now

They're in pursuit of happiness

You can't stop them

@Joe Rogan

There's a diffusion of responsibility because you don't think about your own involvement and what the corporation is doing

You think about your role, what you do as a job

And then you try to maximize profit, and it's a game that people get wrapped up

In yeah, but that is

Doesn't make them happy

You're absolutely correct

@Sadhguru

No no

It's in pursuit of happiness

@Joe Rogan

But what's in pursuit of success?

@Sadhguru

See, most human beings cannot be happy if they're not successful, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

There's a lot of that, yes

@Sadhguru

No, there it is

@Joe Rogan

And then they get medicated to help them get happy

That's a lot of people

I mean, what percentage of people are not following by the principles that you're espousing, which would are very natural and very healthy

And they instead follow this corporate structure

The corporate guidelines, they they follow that path, and they're not happy

So what do they do?

They medicate themselves

@Sadhguru

You know, today we've come to this place where

If you want to be peaceful, you need a chemical

You want to be joyful

You need a chemical

You want to be helpful

You need a chemical

Well, you want to be ecstatic, of course

There is a chemical

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

So what is the consequence of this?

Why this is happening?

One thing is, in this generation, one thing that's happened in peoples minds is the heaven has collapsed in peoples minds

@Joe Rogan

The heaven yes, how so?

@Sadhguru

See, I've been talking to people 50 years ago

If I spoke to people

And I asked how many of you want to go to heaven. Almost 80% would raise their hands

Today you go to your university and ask them how many of you want to go to

Heaven they'll say

@Unknown

She she she

@Sadhguru

They think it's a pretty close question

All right

Nobody will raise their hand, so in their minds heaven is collapsed

There's no place to go

So they wanna do it everything here all right?

@Joe Rogan

I said

@Sadhguru

So they have not found how to be joyful and ecstatic within themselves

So chemical usage, initially it became alcohol

Then it became chemicals

It's getting stronger and stronger and you know so many people dying of those things every every day and illnesses and it's costing a nation in the world a lot

It's not just in one country, it's it's going across the world

Law enforcement agencies may be controlling it a little bit

But they can never control it totally because the consumption is mass based, it is

More people may be consuming these things than people eating bread

It's becoming like that

So this whole movement where it's going means if you do not raise human consciousness if you do not teach people how to sit here feeling absolutely blissed out within yourself by your own nature because

This human mechanism is the most sophisticated chemical factory

If you are a good CEO

You would produce the chemicals that will give you fantastic experience if you're a lousy CEO, you're giving yourself a bad experience

Yes, now you're buying chemicals from outside to fix that

Alright, so essentially you're a bad manager of your own system

You're not taking charge of this

Why is that happen?

Because your education, your society

He's talking about conquering the world, but never taught you anything about how to take charge of this

Do you agree with me the most in this room?

@Joe Rogan

Yes, yes

@Sadhguru

There's so much technology here in this room, the most complex and sophisticated technology is within your system, yes or no human system

Yes, this is

Have you read the users manual?

@Joe Rogan

There's no users manual

There is there is yes where is

@Sadhguru

It it's built into the machine

@Joe Rogan

Oh how do?

I get it

@Sadhguru

You need to pay attention your reading in engineering

Read that carefully, there are

@Joe Rogan

I'm reading it

I'm in the middle, I'm at part

@Sadhguru

There are pointers as to how to read your own users manual, yes?

@Joe Rogan

Let me take you back to this concept of heaven

You know when you're talking about people in universities that you say how many of them want to go to heaven?

The problem is they don't have any evidence of heaven, and so when a lot of these young people that are atheist or agnostics, they don't want to buy into anything that they believe is connected to fairy tales or they're connected to

Some sort of an ideology that they believe was manufactured to control people and to keep people in check

@Sadhguru

That's what I said

The heavens collapsed in their minds

@Joe Rogan

Yes, in their minds

But it's also because heaven is connected to religion and religion is connected to atrocities

There's a lot of people that think of religion

They think of the the evils of the Catholic Church or they think of

You know what religion has justified the horrors of history, the things that people have done in the name of religion?

So a lot of younger, sophisticated, intelligent people don't want to believe in anything that there's no evidence for

So when you say how many of them want to go to heaven, say, show me a video, tell me where I'm going, we

Have a map of heaven

@Sadhguru

No, I'm not asking that question offering a ticket, I'm just telling you heaven is collapsed in peoples mind, which is a good thing because

@Joe Rogan

I know

It's a good thing

@Sadhguru

It is because

Because the idea

That this is not the place to live

Well, there is another place where you will live well is the wrong idea

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

Right, I see

Right?

@Sadhguru

This is the place to

Live well you can have

@Joe Rogan

Heaven right here, yes

@Sadhguru

And who told you you're not already in heaven and making a mess out of it?

@Joe Rogan

No one, I think that's possible

@Sadhguru

We are in heaven making a mess out of it

@Joe Rogan

We also could be in hell too, right?

@Sadhguru

So right now whether we want to fix the soil or we want to fix the human mind, we are only trying to see that you don't mess up the heaven in which we have landed

@Joe Rogan

Stop war

Yes, I I could agree with that

I think the problem is the term heaven when you say it

People think of a biblical heaven

They think of a place that you

@Sadhguru

No, no

@Joe Rogan

Go in the clouds

@Sadhguru

Every religion has their own kind of heaven

That's the whole thing I'm saying before Bible came

There have been heavens in other places

@Joe Rogan

Yes, yes you know one thing I

Found really interesting

@Sadhguru

This is one thing good about

This soil is see

People may even have separate heavens to go to, but we all come from the same soil

Our bodies go back to the same soil, so this is a unifying factor irrespective of 1's religion, caste, creed, whatever else

@Joe Rogan

So in your mind, this concept of heaven relates to like a harmony amongst yourself

The in the people and the living things around

@Unknown

This toy

@Joe Rogan

The in the people and the living things around you, including the soil

@Sadhguru

Essentially it's like this

If you feel pleasant in your body

We call this health

Yes, if you feel very pleasant in your body we call this pleasure

If you feel pleasant in your mind, we call this peace

If you feel very pleasant, we call this joy

If you feel

Very pleasant if you feel pleasant in your emotion

We call this laugh

If you feel very pleasant, we call it compassion

If you feel very pleasant in your very life energies, then we call this blissfulness

If you become very, very pleasant, then we call it ecstasy

If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success

So to create pleasantness in the surroundings we need the cooperation of people and forces around us. Without everybody's cooperation you can't create a pleasant atmosphere

But pleasantness of the body pleasantness of the mind, pleasantness of emotion and energy is 100% your business

Isn't it?

So if you're feeling ecstatic

You are in heaven

Because your idea

Of heaven is a very pleasant place, isn't it?

This place, this planet Earth is very pleasant except for the human beings who creating unpleasantness among each other

@Joe Rogan

Well, this sounds like a great concept, but human beings are very complex

Their emotions or complex, their needs and desires and their trauma and pain and insecurities and and all mental health issues

How does one get to that spot?

Like what you're saying sounds wonderful

I mean, you're a guru

You're a literal guru, so when you sit here and tell people these things, they go well

That sounds easy for that guy

@Sadhguru

No, no, it's it's not easy

@Joe Rogan

Look at

Him, he's wise and enlightened

@Sadhguru

It is not easy or difficult

@Joe Rogan

He got a great beard

@Sadhguru

It is not easy or difficult

It's not

It is a question of wrong direction or right direction

That is, you went to an apple tree and you're digging the roots because you're a potato farmer

That is the only problem you have

You're you are the source and seat of your experiences within you

What happens within you?

Should it happen your way or my way?

@Joe Rogan

Tell me your way or my

@Sadhguru

Way you know what happens within you

Should it happen your way or my way

@Joe Rogan

Well, it's within me when you say within me, do you mean my thoughts, do you?

@Sadhguru

Your thought, your emotion, your body, whatever your chemistry, your energy, everything, what happens within you?

@Joe Rogan

Mean my almost

@Sadhguru

Should it happen your way or somebody elses way

@Joe Rogan

Well, I think if your way sucks, maybe you should listen to other people and maybe try their way

@Sadhguru

See if it happened your way

Would you keep yourself blissful or miserable?

@Joe Rogan

You would keep yourself blissful if you're a wise

@Sadhguru

That's it

@Joe Rogan

If you are wise and your mind was working properly, but if you have mental health issues

@Sadhguru

No no no no no no no no

That that's exactly what I'm saying

@Joe Rogan

If you're if

You're filled with trauma

If you're poorly educated, you're starting from a deficit, a severe deficit where you don't think correctly

No they don't

@Sadhguru

No, that's not

That is not that is not the problem

The original problem, the root of the problem is this

@Unknown

OK

@Sadhguru

Let's address one step at a time

See right now the simple question is what happens in your mind, your emotion, your chemistry?

Your energies must be your way, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

It well is yours, yes is

@Sadhguru

It is yours, so it must be your way, but it's not happening your way right now because it's in a compulsive reactive state

@Joe Rogan

OK

@Sadhguru

So see anybody can cause anything within you

So if I decide what clothes you must wear, what food you must eat, what you should do every day, you will call this slavery, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Or but the government

@Sadhguru

Don't go there

So right now someone else, something else can decide what happens within you

Isn't this the most horrible form of slavery that someone?

Yeah, that's not good, that's

@Joe Rogan

Not, that's not the best path

@Sadhguru

So the problem is just this unintelligence which needs to be conscious is unfortunately unconscious and compulsive, so the only problem that you have is compulsive reaction to life around you

What is needed is a conscious response to life, so this simple thing people have not handled from their childhood

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

So when you don't handle this one thing, everything will be wrong

Everything will be accidental

We are success and failure

Both are accidental

@Joe Rogan

So what do you say to someone?

Maybe they're 30 years old and they've had this life of mistakes and regret and maybe alcoholism or gambling or some other problems, but they want to be conscious

They want to be blissful

They want to be enlightened

They want to be a happy person, filled with love

What path do they take?

What what steps do they take to correct those the?

@Sadhguru

Say why

@Joe Rogan

Journey they're on

@Sadhguru

Why is it, though human beings are not the strongest creatures on the planet compared to other species?

Why is it that human beings are dominating this world?

Simply because of our ability to use tools, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

And our intellect, our ability to manipulate our environment, yes, but through innovation

@Sadhguru

No no

Yes, but even then if we didn't have knowledge of using tools right, the Buffaloes would have made us down alright, yes, so your intellect, they don't care

It's your ability to use tools

You made an arrow

You made a gun

You made so many things, yes

@Joe Rogan

Made a house

@Sadhguru

Everything, all instruments right now microphone or telephone or whatever else

These are all instruments to enhance

We are this much because of our instruments we become that much right now

There is one little screw here in this furniture

I will ask you, you're a strong guy

I will ask you to unscrew this with your hands

@Joe Rogan

Can't do it

@Sadhguru

You do it

You may lose all your nails

I will allow you to use your teeth maybe

You lose some of them

@Joe Rogan

It's gonna be a problem

@Sadhguru

But it'll be right there, but if I give you a screwdriver boom in a minute, you will get it out

@Joe Rogan

If I had a screwdriver

I could do it easy

@Sadhguru

So this is the power of the tool

So as there are tools for doing things in the external world, there are tools to handle this because you don't have a toolkit

This machine, which is the most complex machine

Is going crazy right now you're reading in engineering

It's a toolkit, yes, you just use the tools

Don't worry about the philosophy

Don't worry about belief system

Don't worry about your concept

Somebody is concepts, your beliefs

Somebody is beliefs

Just use the necessary tools

Being peaceful, joyful, loving is a natural outcome of that

@Joe Rogan

OK, well what are those tools like?

Like the scenario that I laid out, you have a person who's 30 years old

They they have a history of trauma in their life

They're very unhappy, very depressed

Maybe they're Alcoholics they're trying to get their life in order

@Sadhguru

See see today

Today I want you to understand this

The user foundation and you know engineering process that we're doing around the world

In 2021, I think 2020 or 2021. I think it's 2021

Our video views are 2.2 billion

@Joe Rogan

2.2 billion video views

@Sadhguru

Yes, yes

@Joe Rogan

That's a lot

@Sadhguru

Yes why? Because it's worked

And we we have ours

@Joe Rogan

Because 'cause what?

@Sadhguru

It has worked

I'm saying for people, yeah, we have over 16 million volunteers working with the foundation

@Unknown

It's worked

@Sadhguru

Why are they doing this?

Because the only reason is it has worked

What is it that's worked?

I did not teach them a morality

I did not teach them a philosophy

I did not promise them miracles

I did not pull gold chains out of thin air and give it to them

No, nothing, simply tools to fix themselves

Well, just how to sit?

How to breathe?

How to manage yourself this is

@Joe Rogan

All, yes, you're entertaining

@Sadhguru

If you

@Joe Rogan

You know, that's also one of the reasons why you have that many viewers

How many views do we have?

View a guest

Please pull your mic down

So we can hear you

@Unknown

On YouTube I

@Joe Rogan

Guess yeah, let's just go with you

Tube no, no, it's OK

@Sadhguru

That's not the point

@Joe Rogan

All told, how many views?

@Sadhguru

Oh, I don't know, say 4 billion

It's OK

No, no, probably about the same sounds about right

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, and we don't

We're not teaching you ****

No, that's not true

Other people are that are on here, but I I think that I I see what you're saying that it works

But what I'm saying is

@Sadhguru

No, why it works is not

@Joe Rogan

What are those tools?

This is all very like mystical and difficult for people to grasp

@Sadhguru

No, no, no no. It's

There are there are mystical aspects also, but that is not for everybody

@Joe Rogan

OK

But I mean this conversation is

@Sadhguru

That is only for those who are interested in those things who want to pursue that aspect for the rest of the people

For somebody, if they're back back, it goes away, his life changes for somebody

If his headache goes away, his

Life changes, yeah?

Somebody drops his alcohol consumption addiction

His life changes

Yeah somebody, some compulsive thought that maybe drives him crazy

If that goes away, these are simple things

These are just a small screwdriver is all he needs

He doesn't need a total

Overhaul mysticism is a different aspect

It is like

You're not just interested in living well, you want to know the very root of life

Yes, that's a different aspect

That's not for everybody that is only for those who seek that, but for common people all they want to do is they want to live peacefully, joyfully, with some sense of purpose to whatever they are doing in their lives

For this it's very simple

You're talking about a case of a 30 year person and 30 year old person who has this problem this problem

This problem, yeah, I have millions of them with me

@Unknown

Sure you did

@Sadhguru

I'm thirty 4060 all kinds from 16 to any age. Alright, so if we did not work, they wouldn't be working for the foundation we are

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

We are. We are a volunteer organization with 5600 full time volunteers and over 16 million part time volunteers. Everything is done by volunteers

@Joe Rogan

Well, obviously you're doing something right

@Sadhguru

It's working, that's all I'm

@Joe Rogan

Saying So what is it?

When you say it is working

@Sadhguru

See, people don't know how to sit right

People don't know how to eat, what to eat, when to eat

They don't know

They're just eating like instinctively

See instinctive existence would be fine if you had the intelligence of an animal with this level of intelligence

If you function instinctively, you will be destructive to yourself and to everybody around you

That's what is happening in the world

@Joe Rogan

Instinctively is fine if you have an animal, well, I'll listen

I have an animal and if I left a lot of food around he would just eat himself to death

@Sadhguru

Animals, yeah

They won't do

@Joe Rogan

That my dog would

@Sadhguru

Say dog has become like you

Inspired by you

But if wild animal wild animal eat what it wants and then it'll move on

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, that's a problem, right?

That's true, that's true

Yeah, humans have really messed dogs up

They've turned them into people

Dogs are actually the the human version

Of animals

So when you say it works, though like for a person that is listening to this that is seeking some sort of a path to a better life, what would you recommend they do first?

@Sadhguru

The simplest thing they need to understand is human experiences caused from within, not from outside right now, see

Somebody can abuse you

Let's say they're just words

Right now I'm going to abuse you in a language that you don't understand

India has 1300 languages I can choose, yeah

You know India?

@Joe Rogan

1300

Wow, I didn't know that wow

@Sadhguru

So I'm going to use some Indian language and abuse you with a smile on my face

OK, you think I'm saying something very sweet to you?

@Joe Rogan

Go ahead

@Sadhguru

Yes, so my abuse is not hurting you at all

It's only your reaction which is going to hurt

@Joe Rogan

You got it right, yes

@Sadhguru

So in whichever language, it is, whatever nonsense it is

It is only your reaction which hurts you

Not my words ever

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

But you think my words are hurting you?

This you must change within you

You need to understand it's your compulsive reaction to life which hurts you, not what other people are doing

If somebody hurts you physically, that's a different matter

It's a survival issue

You need to take care of that properly

OK, physical hurt is different

Physical pain is actually very good for you, because if there's yes I'll come

@Joe Rogan

Circle pains good for you

@Sadhguru

If there was no physical pain, most people would not know how to survive

@Joe Rogan

They wouldn't know what not

To do

@Sadhguru

Yeah, in the name of T, even though there is so much pain

See how tattooed people are, how poked up they are all over

If there was no pain, yeah, they've got all kinds of holes all over the place

All right, it hurts

I'm saying I'm not commenting on their fashion

@Unknown

No no

@Sadhguru

I'm saying it hurts, yes, but in spite of that they're doing

@Joe Rogan

I know what you're saying

@Sadhguru

If there was no pain at all

They would have pulled out their intestines and walk on the street like

A handbag all right?

Probably yes

If there was no pain, people would not even know how to survive

So in that sense, pain is good for them

It prevents them from doing something absolutely destructive towards themselves

So physical pain is a survival mechanism

That's a different aspect, but rest of the pain is caused in their own mind

Can I?

I can cause physical pain to you, but can I cause mental pain to you?

@Joe Rogan

You can initiate something that might make me react

@Sadhguru

No, no, I will do nonsense

Alright, I will do total nonsense, but it's you who causes that pain within yourself by reacting in a certain

Way so if I

Initiate things in a language that you don't understand

You're just fine

@Joe Rogan

Then it doesn't work right

@Sadhguru

Alright, so it is not my words or my actions which are causing pain to you

It's your compulsive reaction which is causing that

@Joe Rogan

This is a

Beautiful concept but for a lot of people they develop these patterns of behavior and thinking that are very difficult to break

So how does one come up with the practices that would allow them to consistently and continually understand this and apply this to their life?

@Sadhguru

See, the patterns are formed

Not only in the psychological structure, the patterns are formed in the chemical structure of the body

The patterns are formed in the energy structures of the body

The patterns are formed in the karmic structures of 1 system, so the memory patterns establish themselves in every way and make you that kind of person

All right, but that that kind of person you are is something that you created unconsciously

If you can create something unconsciously, you can also create the same thing consciously, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

So you can fix the same thing consciously, you mean

@Sadhguru

No, I'm saying if you create one kind of persona

Unconsciously, you can also create another kind of persona consciously isn't

@Joe Rogan

Yes, yes you can make a conscious choice to create a healthy persona

@Sadhguru

It, but if it's possible, yes

So right now, because the patterns patterns are so well established is like a rut, industrial Rd all right

If there is a deep rut in the road, even if you steer it this way, it drags you that way

Yeah, so that is what is happening in people because they have formed patterns, strong patterns, even if they once in a way think oh I must give up the drink

They come off for two days and again they slip back into the same thing

Because there is a chemical pattern, there is a karmic pattern

There is a psychological pattern

There is a compulsiveness built into the body itself

The whole system, so that is working that way

There are various tools and technologies as to how to break these patterns, but they must be willing to subject themselves

You can't force them to do it

It is not something by force

It can only be done when somebody is willing when they have a genuine desire, then there are tools

If you don't have the desire, even if I give you the screwdriver, you'll turn it the wrong way and tighten it further

@Joe Rogan

Saying right, I see what you're saying so

What actions should someone take besides recognizing that the way they react to things is a conscious choice that they choose to either be upset or not, be upset, or to react to these external no?

@Sadhguru

No, don't go there

Don't go there

Don't go there, see upset, not upset

That is not

The point no

Are you a conscious response or are you an unconscious compulsive reaction?

This is the only thing, reaction or response response means

Right now I say something

That you may not like

Now you can respond the way you want, not because of what I said

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

You continue to say what you want

This is your response

@Joe Rogan

You don't have to react

@Sadhguru

If you react

You in some way unknowingly you become enslaved to me, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

That's what a lot of people love to do, right?

@Sadhguru

Yes, they they always reacting yes

@Joe Rogan

That's why they start fights

@Sadhguru

They think reacting is the way

To live, yeah

Well, if you react, you become somebody slave, I must

I must tell you this on a certain day I Yogi was coming this way coming to Joe Rogan show

On the way somebody stopped him on the street and have used him in every possible way

He listened to everything carefully

Not ignoring them

Listening to very alert, listening to every word of abuse

Then he looked at the time and

He said, see

I have a show I need to go

I finished that and come back

If you have something more to say, you can tell me then

Now these guys don't know what to do with him

These are that kind of people

They will say 100 things if you say one thing they will

Next thing is they'll beat you

But now if you say 100 things, he says he'll come back for more. You don't know what to do with him

Why he's like this?

He's he's decided that he is the master

Of his destiny

No matter who does what, he will go where he wants to go

Intelligent man or no

@Unknown

Thank you

@Sadhguru

A man who goes where he wants to go no matter what anybody else is doing to him

That is, a smart man isn't

@Joe Rogan

It it's definitely a better choice than just being a

@Sadhguru

Reactionary if your reaction you will go away their way

Yes, somebody will take you their way

Somebody will take you this way

Somebody will take you that way

Such a person

Will they ever achieve anything that they wish

To in their life

@Joe Rogan

They might get lucky

@Sadhguru

See those those who achieve things by luck

Always live with the fear of losing

It yes

@Joe Rogan

They panic, right?

And they're always worried and they they get greedy

@Sadhguru

Because they're scared

This came by chance and it may go away by chance

@Joe Rogan

They have famine mentality

@Sadhguru

Yeah, if if you have, if you've done it by knowing what you're doing

If you lose everything today, you can create it again because you know the mechanics of how to

@Joe Rogan

Do right and likely you won't lose it

@Sadhguru

You won't lose it

@Joe Rogan

Yeah so

What should a person do?

Should they start taking yoga?

Should they start thinking a certain way every day about their life and the way they're responding to things, and whether or not they're reacting or being conscious?

@Sadhguru

Is that guy falling off the sky or is he doing yoga in your studio?

@Joe Rogan

He's getting abducted by a UFO

That's, uh, that's a flying saucer

@Unknown

I get

I do

@Joe Rogan

You what do you think about flying saucers?

What do you think about like?

@Sadhguru

I will come, let's do yoga first

@Joe Rogan

OK

We'll get to that

@Sadhguru

We'll get to that OK

So right now we're trying to fix the soil to another place

@Joe Rogan

Now I'm excited

Project let's go with yoga first

@Sadhguru

So the word yoga

In United States it scares me

Micos here yoga means you must look like a leftover noodle twisted out like this like that right?

The word yoga means union

Union Union means right now we were talking about the soil as you sit here, you are just

An outcrop of soil you may not realize this because you're sitting on a chair

You're wearing shoes, and because you can prance around

But if you were made like a tree, you would clearly understand you are part of

The soil isn't it, yes?

Or most people will understand when you bury them

Then they know they're part of the soil

Otherwise, they just don't know that they're part of the soil they think they came from somewhere

A lot of people started talking, I'm

From some other planet, this talk is also going on, but essentially

You are part of this, but you are not experiencing it that way

This is not only true with soil, this is true with the entire creation

With the cosmos itself

Today, modern science has come to this that as you sit here, every subatomic particle in your body is actually in communication with everything else

Is this an image of Cosmos that you have?

@Joe Rogan

Sort of just random stars, and occasionally you'll see a shooting star

@Sadhguru

So it is this is a

Part of everything, yes

If you don't go want to go that far, at least this is a part of the planet

There is no question about that

That's very clear

But such an experience is not there

If can I tell you my how this happened to me, yes

So when I was four or five years of age

I suddenly realized I don't know anything

I don't know anything means I don't know anything at all

I look at a glass of water

I don't know what this is

I know I can drink it

I know in how many ways I can use it, but I don't

Know what it is

Even today, with so much scientific exploration, we still do not know one atom in its entirety

We know how to use it

We know how to break it, we know how to fuse it, we know how to make a bomb out of

It, but we don't know what it is

Even today we don't know what

It is

So if I found a leaf, I'm just staring at it for 5-6 hours at a stretch. If I sit up in the bed, I'm just staring at the darkness for the whole night

My dear father, being a physician started thinking I need some psychiatric evaluation

He started saying this boy is staring at something all the time

It looks like he's lost it

My problem is I'm looking at this

I still don't know what this is

I'm not able to shift my attention to anything else

In this condition they send me to school

My mother said don't look here in there

Pay attention to the teacher

So I went and paid attention to the teacher, the kind of attention they would have never received in their entire life

I'm paying absolute attention to the teacher

Initially, I kind of understood what they were trying to say, but after some time I realized

That they're just making noises

I'm making up the meanings in my mind even now

It is so, isn't it?

Language is a conspiracy between two people

The moment I talk another language you, I'm just making sounds as far as you're concerned

So when I just heard they're just making sounds, I'm the one who's making up the meanings

I stopped making meanings hour after about teacher after teacher

They come and make noises and noises and noises and go

It became so amusing to me a big smile spread on my face

They were not amused at all

@Joe Rogan

And you were five when this?

Was happening, yeah

@Sadhguru

They sent me to school when I was three and a half

@Joe Rogan

Did this accelerate over time?

Did it start off slowly and come?

@Sadhguru

Yes, the The thing is I don't know one thing from the other

I look at the sky

Tremendous things

I look at it tree

I see every leaf and it drives me crazy

I can't figure out where this coming from what's happening, endless amount of things

If I look at a Pebble, I'll keep on looking at it for hours because I don't know what

It is because there is so much to it

If you take an atom, you can spend a lifetime looking at it, still not knowing what it is

That's the nature of the creation

All right?

It's that complex

So my schooling went on like this and

I slowly started going there only when it was absolutely necessary, otherwise I had my own excursions going

So about 11-12 years ago this school where I studied over 50 years ago, they come to me and say, sadhguru, you must come. It is our 125th anniversary of the school. You must come and speak

I said, see

Why me?

Because I was not just a not good student

I was not even a student

I was barely there, why?

Why are you asking me to come?

I'm not a good example for any of your students

They said no

Our school has produced ministers

Our school has produced cricketing stars, sports stars, film stars

You are the only Mystic so you must come

It's so I went

I went and stood up to speak in the same quadrangle, the oppressive buildings around me

And I looked at this classroom and I suddenly remembered and I narrated this to them

See, I was around 12 years of age

And one teacher came, and those days, because I don't know anything

What's there to talk for days on end?

I don't utter a word, I just go to the sports field

I play intensely any game that is there and classroom home

I don't say a thing because I don't know anything

So what is there to say?

So this teacher is asking me some question

I'm looking at him

I know his past, present and future sitting there, but I don't know what he's talking about

Initially I hear the words after some time I'm just seeing him like a blob of energy like that, and I know that guy through and through, but I don't know what he's talking about, 3540 minutes. He tried to get an answer from me

I didn't say nothing

So he came help me with the shoulder shook me violently like this and said you must be either the divine or the devil

I think you're the latter

So till then my problem was I didn't know what is this

What is that?

What is that?

What is that?

But it was clear this was me

Suddenly this guy confused me about this

Also, I looked at myself

What is this?

Is this divine devil?

What the hell is this?

This question had never come to me till I was twelve

I had a question about everything in the universe

But this was clear

This was me

Suddenly this guy confused me about this also

Then I tried to stare at myself

It didn't work

I started closing my eyes

And initially it started with minutes

It went into hours

It went into days

Sometimes I just close my eyes and sat for days

On end

This changed the whole experience of my life when I was 25. I just burst into an experience where

Suddenly every cell in my body was dripping ecstasy like that

Suddenly, yeah, I was sitting on a rock and just I burst out like this for the first time in my life

Adult life tears were coming

Tears and me were impossible

I lived like that

So I was just wondering what's happening when I I thought it's 1015 minutes when I came out it was 4 1/2 hours. My shirt was wet with tears

That what's happening to me

Am I going off the rocker or something?

That's the only thing my skeptical mind could tell me because I was a super skeptic about everything in the universe

I had a question about everything about the family structure about the social society, about religion, about politics, about economics, about everything

@Joe Rogan

So what do you think was happening?

@Sadhguru

I'll tell you then

I talked to my closest friends

Hey, something is happening to me, I'm just

Blissed out, you know if I just talk to them tears are coming to me

I said what's happening to you, man

You, what did you drink?

What did you pop?

This is a question then I knew there was no context to my experience, so I spent started spending more and more time by myself

And I realized if I just take my hands off my mind completely

Then I see that every cell in my body just bursts out with blissfulness

Then I established this properly within myself

How to do that?

Then I sat down and made a plan

At that time, the world's population was 5.6 billion people. I made a plan in 2 1/2 years time. I will make the whole world ecstatic here. I am 40 years later

It took me time to realize people are so deeply invested in their miseries that even if you offer them the best thing, they will go round and round and round around that not getting the point because they're too deeply invested in something they don't realize as you sit here

And through your misery or joy, life is slipping away

Every heartbeat is life going away, isn't it?

Yeah, it's not the clock ticking

It is life ticking away as we sit here moment by moment we're getting closer to our grave people don't understand they're mortal

This is the biggest problem on a daily basis

They're not conscious that as I sit here, my time is running out

I need to make the best

Out of this

If I'm conscious that I'm mortal if I know my time is running out, I would keep myself in the best possible way

I wouldn't have time to quarrel with somebody I wouldn't have time to do nasty things to somebody or to myself

I would do the best to myself unnaturally when you're feeling wonderful

You do wonderful things to everybody around you, a happy person or very joyful person is naturally a pleasant person to everybody

When you're feeling nasty, you will share it with people

Of course the same nastiness

So this process I decided we must somehow share this with people

So I started building devices

I was practicing yoga since I was 12 years of age

A simple form of yoga that also I got in for all the wrong reasons

@Joe Rogan

All the wrong reasons

@Sadhguru

Yeah, in the sense I was around 11-12 years of age this was my

@Joe Rogan

The story about the well

@Sadhguru

You know the story, so I got in for the wrong reason, thinking I'll become a superhuman like him

But it is something else to me

@Joe Rogan

The story to people so they hear it

@Sadhguru

You know this is a ancestral home where we are about 3536 of Cousin Brothers and sisters who live in different cities

We all come and converge in our ancestral home for the summer vacation, usually 30 to 45 days Max

So it's 1 rollicking place

All the kids totally out of control and doing all kinds of things

The young boys

One of the things is there's a drinking water well in the backyard, which is about 8-8 feet in diameter, about 150 feet in depth

In summer months, when we go there, it's at least 6070 feet below the ground level. The water

So we jump into this

Well you have to go straight

If you go this way your brain will become a smear on the wall actually

You have to go straight

@Joe Rogan

Did that ever happen?

@Sadhguru

It's happened to other people, not to me

My brains are still here

@Joe Rogan

You people who died

@Sadhguru

Know no, not in our house

It didn't happen

It's happened to other boys, yeah

And when you want to come up, there is no step or anything

You just have to hold the

Rock and come up

You know you're just about 1 centimeter

Half an inch is what you have in the rock

Your entire weight is on these four fingers, so your nails will start bleeding out of sheer pressure so I could come up pretty well

I was

Coming up very well on out of that, so I'm very proud and I can do it better than people

So one day we are doing this act and a man who is over 70 years of age was watching us without a word

He just walked and jumped into the well

I thought the old guys finished

But he came up faster than me

I didn't like it

I said how?

He said, come into yoga so I followed him like a puppy so I got into yoga for all the wrong reasons

I'm saying this because even for wrong reasons, if you do the right things right, things will happen to you

This is a beauty about this world

@Joe Rogan

So this was how old we at the

Time to have

So this was along the same time that you were having these realizations about the nature of things

It was they all sort of came together like it's a very fortuitous sort of convergence

@Sadhguru

When I look back and I look back, it's all like a set plan all right

At that time it was all wonderful accidents happening, yes

@Joe Rogan

That's a thing that happens though sometimes right when you're on the right path, like wonderful accidents do sort of seem to happen

@Sadhguru

See The thing is just this

If you're designed to fly

If something is designed to fly

If the stronger the wind is, the higher it flies you know

I'm a licensed helicopter pilot

Oh really

Yeah, everybody thinks winds are a bad thing

No winds are great only when you're landing

If it's cross wind, it's a little bit of a issue otherwise

Without headwind you can't really fly

Alright too much

A storm is a different thing, but headwinds are good

That's why the airplane flies alright

It's because of that there is aerodynamics and it flies

So if your design to fly this is what is important

What yoga means is you get yourself geometrically correct

What being genetically correct means is see every physical creation in the universe has a geometry to it

If the geometry is in such a way that it has least amount of friction

Then it functions at its best

When would you say?

Suppose you start your car engine and he said cut, cut, cut, cut, cut

Would you say this is well engineered car?

You start it, you don't even know you can't feel the engine

Then you said this is a good car because it's only unless you make it roar

You can't feel the engine

That means everything is going smoothly with least amount of friction, so it is a geometric perfection which does this

So everything that is physical in the universe needs

A certain perfection of geometry to function at a certain level of competence

So this geometry

Today there is something called as constructional theory

They're making it yogic sciences are deeply invested in this

That is how an atom is made, how an amoeba is made, a single celled Organism is made

How you are made, how the universe is made

The fundamental design is not different

It's the same design

The complexity and sophistication is multiplying many, many fold, but essentially it's the same design

So this is what today we're calling as the carbon chain on this planet

Whether it's a microorganism or a tree or the atmosphere or the water or a human being, everything is 1 chain

If you break one link, everything could collapse on your head

You know that's what we're talking about when we talk about soil

One link has become very weak if we don't strengthen that

The entire chain could collapse

Because a chain is as strong as a individual link, and this one link of the soil has become super thin, if you push it any further the whole thing, the very chain of life could collapse

So it is the geometry which keeps it going

For example, this planet is going around the sun

There is no titanium, titanium chain or a cable holding it to the sun and

Swinging it around, it's just a perfection of geometry

If you just get it off its path finished, it'll fly off somewhere else

It'll burn itself out only because of certain geometries

Hit a certain geometry, they're all

There look like perpetual machines

They're not perpetual

In our experience, they're perpetual because our life span is so small, but otherwise it's not perpetual

At one time it was not there at some time

In future, if it will not be there again, that's a different matter, but right now it is hit a certain geometric perfection that it keeps going as if it's forever

So yoga 1 aspect of yoga

Is this

To get your body to a geometrically congruent state with the rest of the creation

If you are geometrically congruent, suddenly your experience is not that of an individual, but that of being universal

So to put it very, very simply it's like this

See, we can do an experiment, can we?

Just put your hands together with your eyes closed

What you do is you rub your hands very briskly for 30 seconds

Now hold it three or four

Inches away from each other

Something happening between them

@Joe Rogan

Is it?

@Sadhguru

Don't you feel something?

@Joe Rogan

I feel the heat of each hand

@Sadhguru

Not the heat

@Joe Rogan

Is it warm from friction?

@Sadhguru

Now, isn't there a sensation between them?

Yeah, yeah

So right now see right now what is the difference between you and the chair on which you're sitting?

It's only the sensations which tells you how do you know this is me?

This is not me right here

There are sensations here, no sensations

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

So essentially what you call as myself is a certain boundary of sensations

It's essentially boundary which determines what is you and what is not

You isn't it?

Yes, this water, is it you

@Joe Rogan

Will become me when I drink it

@Sadhguru

If you put it into the boundaries of your sensation, it becomes you

Yeah, and that's how this whole thing has come right when you were born

You were this much now you become this much. It's the food that you've eaten water that you took and everything into the boundaries of your sensation. Now you experience it as myself, 100%. So if you lose 10 kilograms

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

Would you think that 10 kilograms of me is gone?

No, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Well, what if you look in the mirror?

@Sadhguru

No, no in your experience

@Joe Rogan

Your experience is exactly the same except

@Sadhguru

Exactly the same because what is in within the boundaries of your sensation is you

@Joe Rogan

Maybe you feel healthier

Right?

@Sadhguru

If you do anything vigorous or intense, suddenly the boundaries of your sensation is breached and you experience something more

Why there is such a big draw?

Towards sexuality or people are rubbing each other all the time

Is just this

@Joe Rogan

Rubbing each other

@Sadhguru

Yeah, you know way

I'm saying it is because somewhere for one moment they are something more than what they are, somebody or something which is not themselves becomes a part of them, at least for

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

A moment yes

This breaching of sensory boundary is yoga

If you sit here and if you can spread your sensory body as big as this room, you would experience everything in this room as yourself

See right now your heart, your liver, your kidney, the five fingers of your hand

This was not you some time ago, isn't it?

You and you are a baby

Your finger was this much now

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

It became this much

That means these fingers, the way they are

They were not you just some time ago, but today they 100% you isn't it? How did this happen? Because this material got accumulated within the sense boundaries of your sensory body sensory body

If you make yourself exuberant, either because of joy or blissfulness, sensory body expands

If you expand your body in such a way, it's as big as the universe

You will experience the whole universe as yourself

This is yoga

So the twisting turning holding the breath, doing this, doing that all these things are to loosen up the body in such a way that your physical body and your sensory body are

Not stuck to each other, sensory body can expand today, you know if somebody lost a limb or something

They have something called as a phantom leg

Even if the leg is gone, they're still experiencing the leg because the sensory body is still not there

So essentially physical body is acting like a scaffolding for the sensory body, which gives the experience of life

If your sensory body was totally dead, you wouldn't experience anything, even if you had your body alright

So if your sensory body expands, you'll experience this whole room or this building, or this town as yourself

So this is what yoga means

This is the purpose of yoga because once you experience somebody or something as a part of yourself

Nobody has to teach you any morality

Be good, don't harm them

Don't do this

Don't do that

These teachings will be irrelevant for you, because anything that nobody ever taught you

This little finger don't bite it off

It is a poor little finger

Nobody had to tell you this because it's you write what you experience as myself

With that you have no conflict

This is what yoga means. The mechanism of getting there. There are various mechanisms. There are actually 112

Proper technologies as to how one can get into that space

@Joe Rogan

112 You talked about in your book that I was reading. You talked about the the different kinds of yoga and you told a very funny story about God getting them all together

@Sadhguru

The four yogis? Yeah

@Joe Rogan

Dude, you mind telling that what?

What are the different types of yoga there's?

@Sadhguru

Say you can do employ your body and perform action and do yoga

This is karma yoga

Karma means action using action to attain unity

With the existence

If you use your intelligence to get attain unity with the existence, then it is called as Nana Yoga, yoga, intelligence

If you use your emotion to get there, that is called as bhakti yoga

Yoga of devotion or emotion

And if you use your energies by refining and expanding your energies, if you do it, that is called as Kriya yoga

The Science and technology of expanding one's energies. So these are the only four ways you can do because these are only four things you have

Rest is all imagination

We have a body, you have a mind

You have emotions and you have energies

Life energies within you

Beyond this rest is all made up in terms of your beliefs and imaginations

These are the four realities you can only work with what you have

You cannot work with what you don't have, so these four things

Is there anybody who is only body, no mind, no emotion, no energy or only mind, not the other three?

All of us are a combination of the

Four, it's just

That in one person, the body may be dominant in another person

The mind may be dominant in another person

Emotion like this, different combinations of the same four ingredients are there in different human beings and different persons

So accordingly, yoga has to be mixed

This is why the significance in the Eastern cultures of having

A live guru?

Who's looking at you and making the right concoction?

Let's say you came to me when you were 20

Naturally, your body would be very dominant

We would give you one type of yoga

Now you returned when you're 40

Now maybe your mind is more dominant

Maybe your emotion is more dominant

Maybe energy is more dominant

Body could have receded a little

Bit so accordingly it has to be mixed so it is not like a common prescription

Everybody do this, everybody do

This is not going to work

It needs to be mixed the right way

Otherwise, it won't work

This is one reason a whole lot of people on the spiritual path feel first three months

They seem to be going somewhere after that they are stagnant because nobody to gauge that and you know tweak that thing according to their needs

@Joe Rogan

So they need a guru

They need someone

@Sadhguru

To see the word guru is a

4 letter word today in America

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, because they are fake ones, right?

@Sadhguru

That's why that's why I'm a Satguru. It has 88 alphabets

@Joe Rogan

Will you tell the story about God getting all the girls together?

All the different types of yogis together?

@Unknown

OK

@Sadhguru

So this is, uh, on a certain day, 4 yogis are walking in the forest

One is a Gnana Yogi yoga of intelligence

Another is a karma Yogi body yoga

Another is Bhakti Yogi emotional and devotional Yogi and other is a Kriya Yogi, master of energies

So suddenly a stomp picks up and they start running to find a shelter

The Bhakti Yogi who has I don't know who knows the geography of temples in the area

He says

Let's go in this direction

There's an ancient temple there, so they all ran there

Then they found an ancient temple where the walls had collapsed long time ago

Just the roof and in the center there's a

Day T they

All rushed into the temple, not out of love for the day T or God

There was no other place to sit, so they all four of them hugged the deity and sat down

Suddenly God appeared

They all wondered why

Now we did so much yoga you didn't come now when we're just escaping the storm, you turn up so they looked at him

Why now?

So God said at last you 4 idiots got together

I've been waiting for this for a long time

Body going One Direction, mind going another direction and emotion another way

How will anything happen?

These four things have to come together

This is very important, but today the way it is happening, the yoga

It's become very more

More like a exercise

If you want exercise, there are so many ways to do it goes

Have a swim

Maybe play tennis, maybe climb a mountain

You'll get much better exercise

Yoga is not for exercise

It will also give you that

It'll give you fitness. Also there are different types of yoga's for fitness. There are certain kind of yoga you must come. We can do this with you. It's called anger mordonna that means mastering your limbs

Without any equipment, you can master your limbs in such a way that you become very resilient. People are asking me, sadhguru, you're 65 years of age

How will you do this 30,000 kilometers on a lone motorcycle yourself riding like this across 26 or 27 countries?

I was just joking with them and I said see this is an advertisement for a yogic back

You will say I will ride

@Joe Rogan

How did yoga get started?

Like what what do you think was the origin of it?

Because it's an ancient form of

However, you want to call it an ancient practice, like what and it's obviously very beneficial to so many people to practice it

How did it get started?

@Sadhguru

See, there is nothing in the universe which is not yoga

In the sense

There is nothing in the universe which is not one with everything else

Except human mind

This is what we're talking about, soil also

There is nothing on this planet which is unconnected

There is nothing in this solar system unconnected

There's nothing in this universe unconnected, so everything is in yoga

The question is only whether you realize that or not

If you realize that if you experience that, then we call you a Yogi

Yogi means not somebody who is twisting and turning

Yogi means one who is experiencing the Union right now

That though you're an individual, your experience has gone beyond your individual nature you're experiencing

The universality of your existence

Your individual nature is a psychological condition

See physically, this is what we've been talking about

Soil nourishment, everything physically

If people don't understand this, if you close these two holes

@Joe Rogan

In those holes, yeah yeah

@Sadhguru

Keep your mouth also close

close this and see if you're not connected with the oxygen bubble around you

You won't exist for two minutes, right?

So where is your individuality?

I'm saying physically

With food, water with everything else, we can say it in so many different ways, but physically you know there is no individuality to your body

Only psychologically, this individual nature we have taken it too seriously simply because it's the magnanimity of creation

That which has given us an individual experience actually

In this cosmos, we are like a speck

If you, if you look at the solar system itself from somewhere

A million light years away, the solar system itself is a tiny spec in that planet

Earth is a micro spec in that micro spec

Texas is a Super Micro spec in that Austin is a super Super Micro spec in that you are a big man

This is a serious problem

@Joe Rogan

Right?

You take yourself seriously when you're really connected to everything and you think of yourself as an individual when you're not

You're really a part of everything

@Sadhguru

Your individuality is just a psychological thing, you

@Joe Rogan

Want to see a funny meme that points to that?

I bought that Sam Tripoli meme

Do you, yeah, do you know what?

Memes are, I think so yeah

They're funny things that people, well, it's

It's like a kind of a new form of comedy, but this one relates very closely to what you're saying, and it's this right here

You are here

Crying in the shower before work

Pointing to

The outer regions of the Milky Way Galaxy

@Sadhguru

Yeah, so this tiny micro micro Super Micro spec thinks it's the center of the universe, right?

@Joe Rogan

Funny, right?

@Sadhguru

This is serious issue

@Joe Rogan

It's a big problem for a lot of people, and you know what's the function of that

So like, why does the human animal think that way, like?

@Sadhguru

See as I said this is the magnanimity of creation

Though you're a tiny speck, you have an individual experience

This is the greatest gift that we have

We can sit here, even wonder about the universe not knowing where it begins, where it ends all right

Yeah, so this is a tremendous gift that we have been given an individuality

But you're taking it too seriously for this

The only cure is that you're always conscious that you're mortal

Your time you're on a limited lease of time

If you know this, you will not take your individuality seriously

You will enjoy it

The way it is

@Joe Rogan

The problem is our culture

Thrives on individuals taking themselves seriously

@Sadhguru

This is why

There is the most affluent country on the planet

Look at the amount of miseries people are going through

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, there's a lot

@Sadhguru

You know, I remember this

Uh, I was in 98 for the first time when I came to United States

I went there to the US embassy in Chennai to get my visa

So this is you had to at that time you had to go at like 6:30 in the morning

It would start at that time, 7:00 o'clock they will start seeing you

I went there because, you know, the consul general

A fine lady

She had heard about me

So instead of just doing at the counter, she asked me to come to her office

So I went there and there she asked me see, you're going to United States?

We've heard so much about you in India, but you know if you want to teach in the United

States you need

A A teacher

You know yoga teacher certificate

Are you certified?

I said if I had asked for a certification from my guru, you would have cut my throat so I don't have

I live yoga, I don't I don't. I'm not certified. Then we had a long chat and then I was coming out by about maybe 7:45

Then I see outside the US embassy at the outside the compound one young man, young boy like maybe in his early 20s sitting and crying

Literally crying his heart out

I couldn't ignore him

You know my car was already there and

Then I got off the car and went to him and asked, hey what's the problem?

His visa got rejected

The guy so bitter he could kill himself

He's in that kind of condition

@Joe Rogan

OK, they didn't

Let you go

So word about it

But that's not how it is

People think going to United States is everything

Ask the people who are living here how

Many complaints they have

They are miserable because they are here

@Sadhguru

You're not crazy

@Joe Rogan

That's what I'm saying, because human misery is not in India or America

It is within you

@Sadhguru

One of the things that struck me from your book was that you didn't read a lot of the writings on yoga until you're much older

You were practicing yoga, but you hadn't read

Read any of the ancient texts

@Joe Rogan

I have never read any ancient texts

Not even now

@Sadhguru

Really, yes, you don't have any desire to find what they were thinking

@Joe Rogan

Because my own clarity has never failed me, I don't want to confuse myself because

We don't know in these many thousands of years who all have added whatever nonsense they've added to

@Sadhguru

It right?

@Joe Rogan

You never know

@Sadhguru

That's a problem like human beings

@Joe Rogan

Over period of time you know every scripture has been meddled with by people, but anyway

All scriptures, it doesn't matter where they got the information from, how they received it, but written by human beings or write languages written by human beings

@Unknown

All right?

@Joe Rogan

There's no question

People may say God dictated to me, but still even if I dictate something to you, you can still write it wrong

So I'm saying

Those books I never read

The only book I read is this

@Sadhguru

Body your soul, your experience you yeah whatever

@Joe Rogan

This this

This this mechanism, which is in my

In my experience, because nothing else is in your experience, just see this

You can't experience what's here

You can only experience what is here

@Sadhguru

Do you find that?

That's kind of contradictory in some ways to your existence, because your what you're doing is expressing your experience to other people

@Joe Rogan

No, no, no

I'm not expressing no

@Sadhguru

You're not

@Joe Rogan

I see some experience

What did that Joe Rogan experience?

Oh OK

@Sadhguru

Yeah, it's the name of the podcast

@Joe Rogan

So I'm never, you know here and there when people ask questions

I may say something, but as I said, there's no philosophy

There is no teaching

There's no belief system, just methods

Yes, but you sit like this

@Sadhguru

You've given so much wisdom, yes

@Joe Rogan

You breathe like this

You do this this and this

This will happen to you

Your experiment

40 days you do it

If it works, you keep it

If it doesn't work

Try it and move

@Sadhguru

On, but do you see that you've written all this down for people to learn from?

No, you haven't

Why did you write it?

@Joe Rogan

I have not written down anything what is in the book what is in the book is more like a

@Sadhguru

You have books

@Joe Rogan

Brochure a brochure

It's a you know 300 page brochure. Just introducing you, that's not we will never write down what you have to use that has to be transmitted

@Sadhguru

Right, but you are riding your own personal experiences and people benefit from that greatly

@Joe Rogan

That is more for inspiration

A book is for inspiration, not for instruction

@Sadhguru

And you don't think that there's any inspiration to be gleamed from other people's

@Joe Rogan

Experiences. It is, of course

In Spitze, if you're looking for inspiration, is one thing

If you're looking for instruction, don't look in the book

No, no inspiration is different to get you fired up

Once you're fired up, you want to know now

Don't go on reading books that will not get you anywhere

You have to to start delve deeper into yourself

For that we can give you methods how to go deeper

See when I like we were talking

About the screwdriver, yes

How to do the?

Thing you know with the right kind of tool

If you use the wrong kind of tool, I give you a spanner for the screw which is in the furniture

It's not going to help

It's a tool, but it's not going to help the right tool, right?

That's all that is

All my work is to give them the right tool

I will not use the tool for them, they must use it only for a few who completely give themselves for them

I may also turn the screws for them, but largely we just give you the screwdriver

It's up to you

@Sadhguru

But even when you were younger, you didn't seek inspiration from some other peoples experiences

@Joe Rogan

Somehow it didn't work like that for me for me

Everything was a question mark

I'm saying if I see a leaf, it's a question

If I see a look at my father, it's a question

If I look at my mother, it's a question they were wonderful loving parents, but I had questions about everything, nothing

Negative, just a question, because question is a tool to dig deeper

Question is a not a way of insulting somebody

I ask you a question

This is not

To corner you to insult you to do something

Question is the only way to dig deeper, isn't it?

Like you know, like people have their experiences, their opinions about everything in the universe

For example, before coming here, a whole lot of people calling him sadhguru don't go on Joe Rogan show

Why are you going there?

Sadhguru you know what he is

I said whatever he is, let me go and find out what the hell he is

Why are you telling me who he is?

Alright, well no, no

He thinks this

He thinks that well if he thinks I'm a chimpanzee, I will prove I'm a very good one

I'm saying I have worked in prisons

You know, like we have a program called inner freedom for imprison both in United States

We worked, but then we stepped out of US in India. Our programs are mandatory in all the South Indian prisons

Really, yeah, and I worked with really hard code ******** you know criminals who have been convicted for murder and more

They have done terrible things, but when they are with me they are such wonderful guys

Lively and fantastic guys

But if you meet them and they are angry or dissatisfied, they may be terrible if you meet them when they are happy and joyful, they are fantastic people

So I'm saying every human being has opinions about everything

This is one thing I've done in

My life is

People who are with me for 25 thirty 40 years with me right next to me. I've it's very difficult for people to understand this. I have not formed a single opinion about them

Every day I look at them fresh

This is very important, yes, so when I sit here I look at you fresh

It doesn't matter what you have done because what you are going to be tomorrow is what is important, isn't it?

@Sadhguru

When you're experiencing these prisoners, do you think that that's part of the problem?

With having had a horrible past, you know, having been a criminal, having been a murderer is that you can never really get past those experiences, and a lot of people eyes they don't

@Joe Rogan

That's that's

Not true see

@Sadhguru

They don't experience you fresh

@Joe Rogan

See it see

The societies are made in a certain way where unfortunately certain people can't fit in alright, not necessarily because it's in a very American thing

This is a good guy

This is a bad

Guy, I don't look at life like that

It is just that in a given moment, if somebody makes one wrong judgment, he utters something, or he does something in that moment that may end up in the prison

I've met hundreds of them, thousands of them

Most of them are absolutely wonderful guys

There are few who are mentally pathologically somewhere else

That's different, right?

But rest of them

It's a given moment

They make wrong judgments because that's all they know at that given

@Sadhguru

Do you think that the practice of yoga can reform people?

@Joe Rogan

Oh yes, of course I will tell you

I will tell you this

See when I first went into the prison in Coimbatore to teach

Don't mistake me

@Sadhguru

Right?

@Joe Rogan

And it was very difficult to get him

I discovered that

The in the people and the living things around you, including the soil

@Sadhguru

Essentially it's like this

If you feel pleasant in your body

We call this health

Yes, if you feel very pleasant in your body we call this pleasure

If you feel pleasant in your mind, we call this peace

If you feel very pleasant, we call this joy

If you feel

Very pleasant if you feel pleasant in your emotion

We call this laugh

If you feel very pleasant, we call it compassion

If you feel very pleasant in your very life energies, then we call this blissfulness

If you become very, very pleasant, then we call it ecstasy

If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success

So to create pleasantness in the surroundings we need the cooperation of people and forces around us. Without everybody's cooperation you can't create a pleasant atmosphere

But pleasantness of the body pleasantness of the mind, pleasantness of emotion and energy is 100% your business

Isn't it?

So if you're feeling ecstatic

You are in heaven

Because your idea

Of heaven is a very pleasant place, isn't it?

This place, this planet Earth is very pleasant except for the human beings who creating unpleasantness among each other

@Joe Rogan

Well, this sounds like a great concept, but human beings are very complex

Their emotions or complex, their needs and desires and their trauma and pain and insecurities and and all mental health issues

How does one get to that spot?

Like what you're saying sounds wonderful

I mean, you're a guru

You're a literal guru, so when you sit here and tell people these things, they go well

That sounds easy for that guy

@Sadhguru

No, no, it's it's not easy

@Joe Rogan

Look at

Him, he's wise and enlightened

@Sadhguru

It is not easy or difficult

@Joe Rogan

He got a great beard

@Sadhguru

It is not easy or difficult

It's not

It is a question of wrong direction or right direction

That is, you went to an apple tree and you're digging the roots because you're a potato farmer

That is the only problem you have

You're you are the source and seat of your experiences within you

What happens within you?

Should it happen your way or my way?

@Joe Rogan

Tell me your way or my

@Sadhguru

Way you know what happens within you

Should it happen your way or my way

@Joe Rogan

Well, it's within me when you say within me, do you mean my thoughts, do you?

@Sadhguru

Your thought, your emotion, your body, whatever your chemistry, your energy, everything, what happens within you?

@Joe Rogan

Mean my almost

@Sadhguru

Should it happen your way or somebody elses way

@Joe Rogan

Well, I think if your way sucks, maybe you should listen to other people and maybe try their way

@Sadhguru

See if it happened your way

Would you keep yourself blissful or miserable?

@Joe Rogan

You would keep yourself blissful if you're a wise

@Sadhguru

That's it

@Joe Rogan

If you are wise and your mind was working properly, but if you have mental health issues

@Sadhguru

No no no no no no no no

That that's exactly what I'm saying

@Joe Rogan

If you're if

You're filled with trauma

If you're poorly educated, you're starting from a deficit, a severe deficit where you don't think correctly

No they don't

@Sadhguru

No, that's not

That is not that is not the problem

The original problem, the root of the problem is this

@Unknown

OK

@Sadhguru

Let's address one step at a time

See right now the simple question is what happens in your mind, your emotion, your chemistry?

Your energies must be your way, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

It well is yours, yes is

@Sadhguru

It is yours, so it must be your way, but it's not happening your way right now because it's in a compulsive reactive state

@Joe Rogan

OK

@Sadhguru

So see anybody can cause anything within you

So if I decide what clothes you must wear, what food you must eat, what you should do every day, you will call this slavery, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Or but the government

@Sadhguru

Don't go there

So right now someone else, something else can decide what happens within you

Isn't this the most horrible form of slavery that someone?

Yeah, that's not good, that's

@Joe Rogan

Not, that's not the best path

@Sadhguru

So the problem is just this unintelligence which needs to be conscious is unfortunately unconscious and compulsive, so the only problem that you have is compulsive reaction to life around you

What is needed is a conscious response to life, so this simple thing people have not handled from their childhood

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

So when you don't handle this one thing, everything will be wrong

Everything will be accidental

We are success and failure

Both are accidental

@Joe Rogan

So what do you say to someone?

Maybe they're 30 years old and they've had this life of mistakes and regret and maybe alcoholism or gambling or some other problems, but they want to be conscious

They want to be blissful

They want to be enlightened

They want to be a happy person, filled with love

What path do they take?

What what steps do they take to correct those the?

@Sadhguru

Say why

@Joe Rogan

Journey they're on

@Sadhguru

Why is it, though human beings are not the strongest creatures on the planet compared to other species?

Why is it that human beings are dominating this world?

Simply because of our ability to use tools, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

And our intellect, our ability to manipulate our environment, yes, but through innovation

@Sadhguru

No no

Yes, but even then if we didn't have knowledge of using tools right, the Buffaloes would have made us down alright, yes, so your intellect, they don't care

It's your ability to use tools

You made an arrow

You made a gun

You made so many things, yes

@Joe Rogan

Made a house

@Sadhguru

Everything, all instruments right now microphone or telephone or whatever else

These are all instruments to enhance

We are this much because of our instruments we become that much right now

There is one little screw here in this furniture

I will ask you, you're a strong guy

I will ask you to unscrew this with your hands

@Joe Rogan

Can't do it

@Sadhguru

You do it

You may lose all your nails

I will allow you to use your teeth maybe

You lose some of them

@Joe Rogan

It's gonna be a problem

@Sadhguru

But it'll be right there, but if I give you a screwdriver boom in a minute, you will get it out

@Joe Rogan

If I had a screwdriver

I could do it easy

@Sadhguru

So this is the power of the tool

So as there are tools for doing things in the external world, there are tools to handle this because you don't have a toolkit

This machine, which is the most complex machine

Is going crazy right now you're reading in engineering

It's a toolkit, yes, you just use the tools

Don't worry about the philosophy

Don't worry about belief system

Don't worry about your concept

Somebody is concepts, your beliefs

Somebody is beliefs

Just use the necessary tools

Being peaceful, joyful, loving is a natural outcome of that

@Joe Rogan

OK, well what are those tools like?

Like the scenario that I laid out, you have a person who's 30 years old

They they have a history of trauma in their life

They're very unhappy, very depressed

Maybe they're Alcoholics they're trying to get their life in order

@Sadhguru

See see today

Today I want you to understand this

The user foundation and you know engineering process that we're doing around the world

In 2021, I think 2020 or 2021. I think it's 2021

Our video views are 2.2 billion

@Joe Rogan

2.2 billion video views

@Sadhguru

Yes, yes

@Joe Rogan

That's a lot

@Sadhguru

Yes why? Because it's worked

And we we have ours

@Joe Rogan

Because 'cause what?

@Sadhguru

It has worked

I'm saying for people, yeah, we have over 16 million volunteers working with the foundation

@Unknown

It's worked

@Sadhguru

Why are they doing this?

Because the only reason is it has worked

What is it that's worked?

I did not teach them a morality

I did not teach them a philosophy

I did not promise them miracles

I did not pull gold chains out of thin air and give it to them

No, nothing, simply tools to fix themselves

Well, just how to sit?

How to breathe?

How to manage yourself this is

@Joe Rogan

All, yes, you're entertaining

@Sadhguru

If you

@Joe Rogan

You know, that's also one of the reasons why you have that many viewers

How many views do we have?

View a guest

Please pull your mic down

So we can hear you

@Unknown

On YouTube I

@Joe Rogan

Guess yeah, let's just go with you

Tube no, no, it's OK

@Sadhguru

That's not the point

@Joe Rogan

All told, how many views?

@Sadhguru

Oh, I don't know, say 4 billion

It's OK

No, no, probably about the same sounds about right

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, and we don't

We're not teaching you ****

No, that's not true

Other people are that are on here, but I I think that I I see what you're saying that it works

But what I'm saying is

@Sadhguru

No, why it works is not

@Joe Rogan

What are those tools?

This is all very like mystical and difficult for people to grasp

@Sadhguru

No, no, no no. It's

There are there are mystical aspects also, but that is not for everybody

@Joe Rogan

OK

But I mean this conversation is

@Sadhguru

That is only for those who are interested in those things who want to pursue that aspect for the rest of the people

For somebody, if they're back back, it goes away, his life changes for somebody

If his headache goes away, his

Life changes, yeah?

Somebody drops his alcohol consumption addiction

His life changes

Yeah somebody, some compulsive thought that maybe drives him crazy

If that goes away, these are simple things

These are just a small screwdriver is all he needs

He doesn't need a total

Overhaul mysticism is a different aspect

It is like

You're not just interested in living well, you want to know the very root of life

Yes, that's a different aspect

That's not for everybody that is only for those who seek that, but for common people all they want to do is they want to live peacefully, joyfully, with some sense of purpose to whatever they are doing in their lives

For this it's very simple

You're talking about a case of a 30 year person and 30 year old person who has this problem this problem

This problem, yeah, I have millions of them with me

@Unknown

Sure you did

@Sadhguru

I'm thirty 4060 all kinds from 16 to any age. Alright, so if we did not work, they wouldn't be working for the foundation we are

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

We are. We are a volunteer organization with 5600 full time volunteers and over 16 million part time volunteers. Everything is done by volunteers

@Joe Rogan

Well, obviously you're doing something right

@Sadhguru

It's working, that's all I'm

@Joe Rogan

Saying So what is it?

When you say it is working

@Sadhguru

See, people don't know how to sit right

People don't know how to eat, what to eat, when to eat

They don't know

They're just eating like instinctively

See instinctive existence would be fine if you had the intelligence of an animal with this level of intelligence

If you function instinctively, you will be destructive to yourself and to everybody around you

That's what is happening in the world

@Joe Rogan

Instinctively is fine if you have an animal, well, I'll listen

I have an animal and if I left a lot of food around he would just eat himself to death

@Sadhguru

Animals, yeah

They won't do

@Joe Rogan

That my dog would

@Sadhguru

Say dog has become like you

Inspired by you

But if wild animal wild animal eat what it wants and then it'll move on

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, that's a problem, right?

That's true, that's true

Yeah, humans have really messed dogs up

They've turned them into people

Dogs are actually the the human version

Of animals

So when you say it works, though like for a person that is listening to this that is seeking some sort of a path to a better life, what would you recommend they do first?

@Sadhguru

The simplest thing they need to understand is human experiences caused from within, not from outside right now, see

Somebody can abuse you

Let's say they're just words

Right now I'm going to abuse you in a language that you don't understand

India has 1300 languages I can choose, yeah

You know India?

@Joe Rogan

1300

Wow, I didn't know that wow

@Sadhguru

So I'm going to use some Indian language and abuse you with a smile on my face

OK, you think I'm saying something very sweet to you?

@Joe Rogan

Go ahead

@Sadhguru

Yes, so my abuse is not hurting you at all

It's only your reaction which is going to hurt

@Joe Rogan

You got it right, yes

@Sadhguru

So in whichever language, it is, whatever nonsense it is

It is only your reaction which hurts you

Not my words ever

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

But you think my words are hurting you?

This you must change within you

You need to understand it's your compulsive reaction to life which hurts you, not what other people are doing

If somebody hurts you physically, that's a different matter

It's a survival issue

You need to take care of that properly

OK, physical hurt is different

Physical pain is actually very good for you, because if there's yes I'll come

@Joe Rogan

Circle pains good for you

@Sadhguru

If there was no physical pain, most people would not know how to survive

@Joe Rogan

They wouldn't know what not

To do

@Sadhguru

Yeah, in the name of T, even though there is so much pain

See how tattooed people are, how poked up they are all over

If there was no pain, yeah, they've got all kinds of holes all over the place

All right, it hurts

I'm saying I'm not commenting on their fashion

@Unknown

No no

@Sadhguru

I'm saying it hurts, yes, but in spite of that they're doing

@Joe Rogan

I know what you're saying

@Sadhguru

If there was no pain at all

They would have pulled out their intestines and walk on the street like

A handbag all right?

Probably yes

If there was no pain, people would not even know how to survive

So in that sense, pain is good for them

It prevents them from doing something absolutely destructive towards themselves

So physical pain is a survival mechanism

That's a different aspect, but rest of the pain is caused in their own mind

Can I?

I can cause physical pain to you, but can I cause mental pain to you?

@Joe Rogan

You can initiate something that might make me react

@Sadhguru

No, no, I will do nonsense

Alright, I will do total nonsense, but it's you who causes that pain within yourself by reacting in a certain

Way so if I

Initiate things in a language that you don't understand

You're just fine

@Joe Rogan

Then it doesn't work right

@Sadhguru

Alright, so it is not my words or my actions which are causing pain to you

It's your compulsive reaction which is causing that

@Joe Rogan

This is a

Beautiful concept but for a lot of people they develop these patterns of behavior and thinking that are very difficult to break

So how does one come up with the practices that would allow them to consistently and continually understand this and apply this to their life?

@Sadhguru

See, the patterns are formed

Not only in the psychological structure, the patterns are formed in the chemical structure of the body

The patterns are formed in the energy structures of the body

The patterns are formed in the karmic structures of 1 system, so the memory patterns establish themselves in every way and make you that kind of person

All right, but that that kind of person you are is something that you created unconsciously

If you can create something unconsciously, you can also create the same thing consciously, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

So you can fix the same thing consciously, you mean

@Sadhguru

No, I'm saying if you create one kind of persona

Unconsciously, you can also create another kind of persona consciously isn't

@Joe Rogan

Yes, yes you can make a conscious choice to create a healthy persona

@Sadhguru

It, but if it's possible, yes

So right now, because the patterns patterns are so well established is like a rut, industrial Rd all right

If there is a deep rut in the road, even if you steer it this way, it drags you that way

Yeah, so that is what is happening in people because they have formed patterns, strong patterns, even if they once in a way think oh I must give up the drink

They come off for two days and again they slip back into the same thing

Because there is a chemical pattern, there is a karmic pattern

There is a psychological pattern

There is a compulsiveness built into the body itself

The whole system, so that is working that way

There are various tools and technologies as to how to break these patterns, but they must be willing to subject themselves

You can't force them to do it

It is not something by force

It can only be done when somebody is willing when they have a genuine desire, then there are tools

If you don't have the desire, even if I give you the screwdriver, you'll turn it the wrong way and tighten it further

@Joe Rogan

Saying right, I see what you're saying so

What actions should someone take besides recognizing that the way they react to things is a conscious choice that they choose to either be upset or not, be upset, or to react to these external no?

@Sadhguru

No, don't go there

Don't go there

Don't go there, see upset, not upset

That is not

The point no

Are you a conscious response or are you an unconscious compulsive reaction?

This is the only thing, reaction or response response means

Right now I say something

That you may not like

Now you can respond the way you want, not because of what I said

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

You continue to say what you want

This is your response

@Joe Rogan

You don't have to react

@Sadhguru

If you react

You in some way unknowingly you become enslaved to me, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

That's what a lot of people love to do, right?

@Sadhguru

Yes, they they always reacting yes

@Joe Rogan

That's why they start fights

@Sadhguru

They think reacting is the way

To live, yeah

Well, if you react, you become somebody slave, I must

I must tell you this on a certain day I Yogi was coming this way coming to Joe Rogan show

On the way somebody stopped him on the street and have used him in every possible way

He listened to everything carefully

Not ignoring them

Listening to very alert, listening to every word of abuse

Then he looked at the time and

He said, see

I have a show I need to go

I finished that and come back

If you have something more to say, you can tell me then

Now these guys don't know what to do with him

These are that kind of people

They will say 100 things if you say one thing they will

Next thing is they'll beat you

But now if you say 100 things, he says he'll come back for more. You don't know what to do with him

Why he's like this?

He's he's decided that he is the master

Of his destiny

No matter who does what, he will go where he wants to go

Intelligent man or no

@Unknown

Thank you

@Sadhguru

A man who goes where he wants to go no matter what anybody else is doing to him

That is, a smart man isn't

@Joe Rogan

It it's definitely a better choice than just being a

@Sadhguru

Reactionary if your reaction you will go away their way

Yes, somebody will take you their way

Somebody will take you this way

Somebody will take you that way

Such a person

Will they ever achieve anything that they wish

To in their life

@Joe Rogan

They might get lucky

@Sadhguru

See those those who achieve things by luck

Always live with the fear of losing

It yes

@Joe Rogan

They panic, right?

And they're always worried and they they get greedy

@Sadhguru

Because they're scared

This came by chance and it may go away by chance

@Joe Rogan

They have famine mentality

@Sadhguru

Yeah, if if you have, if you've done it by knowing what you're doing

If you lose everything today, you can create it again because you know the mechanics of how to

@Joe Rogan

Do right and likely you won't lose it

@Sadhguru

You won't lose it

@Joe Rogan

Yeah so

What should a person do?

Should they start taking yoga?

Should they start thinking a certain way every day about their life and the way they're responding to things, and whether or not they're reacting or being conscious?

@Sadhguru

Is that guy falling off the sky or is he doing yoga in your studio?

@Joe Rogan

He's getting abducted by a UFO

That's, uh, that's a flying saucer

@Unknown

I get

I do

@Joe Rogan

You what do you think about flying saucers?

What do you think about like?

@Sadhguru

I will come, let's do yoga first

@Joe Rogan

OK

We'll get to that

@Sadhguru

We'll get to that OK

So right now we're trying to fix the soil to another place

@Joe Rogan

Now I'm excited

Project let's go with yoga first

@Sadhguru

So the word yoga

In United States it scares me

Micos here yoga means you must look like a leftover noodle twisted out like this like that right?

The word yoga means union

Union Union means right now we were talking about the soil as you sit here, you are just

An outcrop of soil you may not realize this because you're sitting on a chair

You're wearing shoes, and because you can prance around

But if you were made like a tree, you would clearly understand you are part of

The soil isn't it, yes?

Or most people will understand when you bury them

Then they know they're part of the soil

Otherwise, they just don't know that they're part of the soil they think they came from somewhere

A lot of people started talking, I'm

From some other planet, this talk is also going on, but essentially

You are part of this, but you are not experiencing it that way

This is not only true with soil, this is true with the entire creation

With the cosmos itself

Today, modern science has come to this that as you sit here, every subatomic particle in your body is actually in communication with everything else

Is this an image of Cosmos that you have?

@Joe Rogan

Sort of just random stars, and occasionally you'll see a shooting star

@Sadhguru

So it is this is a

Part of everything, yes

If you don't go want to go that far, at least this is a part of the planet

There is no question about that

That's very clear

But such an experience is not there

If can I tell you my how this happened to me, yes

So when I was four or five years of age

I suddenly realized I don't know anything

I don't know anything means I don't know anything at all

I look at a glass of water

I don't know what this is

I know I can drink it

I know in how many ways I can use it, but I don't

Know what it is

Even today, with so much scientific exploration, we still do not know one atom in its entirety

We know how to use it

We know how to break it, we know how to fuse it, we know how to make a bomb out of

It, but we don't know what it is

Even today we don't know what

It is

So if I found a leaf, I'm just staring at it for 5-6 hours at a stretch. If I sit up in the bed, I'm just staring at the darkness for the whole night

My dear father, being a physician started thinking I need some psychiatric evaluation

He started saying this boy is staring at something all the time

It looks like he's lost it

My problem is I'm looking at this

I still don't know what this is

I'm not able to shift my attention to anything else

In this condition they send me to school

My mother said don't look here in there

Pay attention to the teacher

So I went and paid attention to the teacher, the kind of attention they would have never received in their entire life

I'm paying absolute attention to the teacher

Initially, I kind of understood what they were trying to say, but after some time I realized

That they're just making noises

I'm making up the meanings in my mind even now

It is so, isn't it?

Language is a conspiracy between two people

The moment I talk another language you, I'm just making sounds as far as you're concerned

So when I just heard they're just making sounds, I'm the one who's making up the meanings

I stopped making meanings hour after about teacher after teacher

They come and make noises and noises and noises and go

It became so amusing to me a big smile spread on my face

They were not amused at all

@Joe Rogan

And you were five when this?

Was happening, yeah

@Sadhguru

They sent me to school when I was three and a half

@Joe Rogan

Did this accelerate over time?

Did it start off slowly and come?

@Sadhguru

Yes, the The thing is I don't know one thing from the other

I look at the sky

Tremendous things

I look at it tree

I see every leaf and it drives me crazy

I can't figure out where this coming from what's happening, endless amount of things

If I look at a Pebble, I'll keep on looking at it for hours because I don't know what

It is because there is so much to it

If you take an atom, you can spend a lifetime looking at it, still not knowing what it is

That's the nature of the creation

All right?

It's that complex

So my schooling went on like this and

I slowly started going there only when it was absolutely necessary, otherwise I had my own excursions going

So about 11-12 years ago this school where I studied over 50 years ago, they come to me and say, sadhguru, you must come. It is our 125th anniversary of the school. You must come and speak

I said, see

Why me?

Because I was not just a not good student

I was not even a student

I was barely there, why?

Why are you asking me to come?

I'm not a good example for any of your students

They said no

Our school has produced ministers

Our school has produced cricketing stars, sports stars, film stars

You are the only Mystic so you must come

It's so I went

I went and stood up to speak in the same quadrangle, the oppressive buildings around me

And I looked at this classroom and I suddenly remembered and I narrated this to them

See, I was around 12 years of age

And one teacher came, and those days, because I don't know anything

What's there to talk for days on end?

I don't utter a word, I just go to the sports field

I play intensely any game that is there and classroom home

I don't say a thing because I don't know anything

So what is there to say?

So this teacher is asking me some question

I'm looking at him

I know his past, present and future sitting there, but I don't know what he's talking about

Initially I hear the words after some time I'm just seeing him like a blob of energy like that, and I know that guy through and through, but I don't know what he's talking about, 3540 minutes. He tried to get an answer from me

I didn't say nothing

So he came help me with the shoulder shook me violently like this and said you must be either the divine or the devil

I think you're the latter

So till then my problem was I didn't know what is this

What is that?

What is that?

What is that?

But it was clear this was me

Suddenly this guy confused me about this

Also, I looked at myself

What is this?

Is this divine devil?

What the hell is this?

This question had never come to me till I was twelve

I had a question about everything in the universe

But this was clear

This was me

Suddenly this guy confused me about this also

Then I tried to stare at myself

It didn't work

I started closing my eyes

And initially it started with minutes

It went into hours

It went into days

Sometimes I just close my eyes and sat for days

On end

This changed the whole experience of my life when I was 25. I just burst into an experience where

Suddenly every cell in my body was dripping ecstasy like that

Suddenly, yeah, I was sitting on a rock and just I burst out like this for the first time in my life

Adult life tears were coming

Tears and me were impossible

I lived like that

So I was just wondering what's happening when I I thought it's 1015 minutes when I came out it was 4 1/2 hours. My shirt was wet with tears

That what's happening to me

Am I going off the rocker or something?

That's the only thing my skeptical mind could tell me because I was a super skeptic about everything in the universe

I had a question about everything about the family structure about the social society, about religion, about politics, about economics, about everything

@Joe Rogan

So what do you think was happening?

@Sadhguru

I'll tell you then

I talked to my closest friends

Hey, something is happening to me, I'm just

Blissed out, you know if I just talk to them tears are coming to me

I said what's happening to you, man

You, what did you drink?

What did you pop?

This is a question then I knew there was no context to my experience, so I spent started spending more and more time by myself

And I realized if I just take my hands off my mind completely

Then I see that every cell in my body just bursts out with blissfulness

Then I established this properly within myself

How to do that?

Then I sat down and made a plan

At that time, the world's population was 5.6 billion people. I made a plan in 2 1/2 years time. I will make the whole world ecstatic here. I am 40 years later

It took me time to realize people are so deeply invested in their miseries that even if you offer them the best thing, they will go round and round and round around that not getting the point because they're too deeply invested in something they don't realize as you sit here

And through your misery or joy, life is slipping away

Every heartbeat is life going away, isn't it?

Yeah, it's not the clock ticking

It is life ticking away as we sit here moment by moment we're getting closer to our grave people don't understand they're mortal

This is the biggest problem on a daily basis

They're not conscious that as I sit here, my time is running out

I need to make the best

Out of this

If I'm conscious that I'm mortal if I know my time is running out, I would keep myself in the best possible way

I wouldn't have time to quarrel with somebody I wouldn't have time to do nasty things to somebody or to myself

I would do the best to myself unnaturally when you're feeling wonderful

You do wonderful things to everybody around you, a happy person or very joyful person is naturally a pleasant person to everybody

When you're feeling nasty, you will share it with people

Of course the same nastiness

So this process I decided we must somehow share this with people

So I started building devices

I was practicing yoga since I was 12 years of age

A simple form of yoga that also I got in for all the wrong reasons

@Joe Rogan

All the wrong reasons

@Sadhguru

Yeah, in the sense I was around 11-12 years of age this was my

@Joe Rogan

The story about the well

@Sadhguru

You know the story, so I got in for the wrong reason, thinking I'll become a superhuman like him

But it is something else to me

@Joe Rogan

The story to people so they hear it

@Sadhguru

You know this is a ancestral home where we are about 3536 of Cousin Brothers and sisters who live in different cities

We all come and converge in our ancestral home for the summer vacation, usually 30 to 45 days Max

So it's 1 rollicking place

All the kids totally out of control and doing all kinds of things

The young boys

One of the things is there's a drinking water well in the backyard, which is about 8-8 feet in diameter, about 150 feet in depth

In summer months, when we go there, it's at least 6070 feet below the ground level. The water

So we jump into this

Well you have to go straight

If you go this way your brain will become a smear on the wall actually

You have to go straight

@Joe Rogan

Did that ever happen?

@Sadhguru

It's happened to other people, not to me

My brains are still here

@Joe Rogan

You people who died

@Sadhguru

Know no, not in our house

It didn't happen

It's happened to other boys, yeah

And when you want to come up, there is no step or anything

You just have to hold the

Rock and come up

You know you're just about 1 centimeter

Half an inch is what you have in the rock

Your entire weight is on these four fingers, so your nails will start bleeding out of sheer pressure so I could come up pretty well

I was

Coming up very well on out of that, so I'm very proud and I can do it better than people

So one day we are doing this act and a man who is over 70 years of age was watching us without a word

He just walked and jumped into the well

I thought the old guys finished

But he came up faster than me

I didn't like it

I said how?

He said, come into yoga so I followed him like a puppy so I got into yoga for all the wrong reasons

I'm saying this because even for wrong reasons, if you do the right things right, things will happen to you

This is a beauty about this world

@Joe Rogan

So this was how old we at the

Time to have

So this was along the same time that you were having these realizations about the nature of things

It was they all sort of came together like it's a very fortuitous sort of convergence

@Sadhguru

When I look back and I look back, it's all like a set plan all right

At that time it was all wonderful accidents happening, yes

@Joe Rogan

That's a thing that happens though sometimes right when you're on the right path, like wonderful accidents do sort of seem to happen

@Sadhguru

See The thing is just this

If you're designed to fly

If something is designed to fly

If the stronger the wind is, the higher it flies you know

I'm a licensed helicopter pilot

Oh really

Yeah, everybody thinks winds are a bad thing

No winds are great only when you're landing

If it's cross wind, it's a little bit of a issue otherwise

Without headwind you can't really fly

Alright too much

A storm is a different thing, but headwinds are good

That's why the airplane flies alright

It's because of that there is aerodynamics and it flies

So if your design to fly this is what is important

What yoga means is you get yourself geometrically correct

What being genetically correct means is see every physical creation in the universe has a geometry to it

If the geometry is in such a way that it has least amount of friction

Then it functions at its best

When would you say?

Suppose you start your car engine and he said cut, cut, cut, cut, cut

Would you say this is well engineered car?

You start it, you don't even know you can't feel the engine

Then you said this is a good car because it's only unless you make it roar

You can't feel the engine

That means everything is going smoothly with least amount of friction, so it is a geometric perfection which does this

So everything that is physical in the universe needs

A certain perfection of geometry to function at a certain level of competence

So this geometry

Today there is something called as constructional theory

They're making it yogic sciences are deeply invested in this

That is how an atom is made, how an amoeba is made, a single celled Organism is made

How you are made, how the universe is made

The fundamental design is not different

It's the same design

The complexity and sophistication is multiplying many, many fold, but essentially it's the same design

So this is what today we're calling as the carbon chain on this planet

Whether it's a microorganism or a tree or the atmosphere or the water or a human being, everything is 1 chain

If you break one link, everything could collapse on your head

You know that's what we're talking about when we talk about soil

One link has become very weak if we don't strengthen that

The entire chain could collapse

Because a chain is as strong as a individual link, and this one link of the soil has become super thin, if you push it any further the whole thing, the very chain of life could collapse

So it is the geometry which keeps it going

For example, this planet is going around the sun

There is no titanium, titanium chain or a cable holding it to the sun and

Swinging it around, it's just a perfection of geometry

If you just get it off its path finished, it'll fly off somewhere else

It'll burn itself out only because of certain geometries

Hit a certain geometry, they're all

There look like perpetual machines

They're not perpetual

In our experience, they're perpetual because our life span is so small, but otherwise it's not perpetual

At one time it was not there at some time

In future, if it will not be there again, that's a different matter, but right now it is hit a certain geometric perfection that it keeps going as if it's forever

So yoga 1 aspect of yoga

Is this

To get your body to a geometrically congruent state with the rest of the creation

If you are geometrically congruent, suddenly your experience is not that of an individual, but that of being universal

So to put it very, very simply it's like this

See, we can do an experiment, can we?

Just put your hands together with your eyes closed

What you do is you rub your hands very briskly for 30 seconds

Now hold it three or four

Inches away from each other

Something happening between them

@Joe Rogan

Is it?

@Sadhguru

Don't you feel something?

@Joe Rogan

I feel the heat of each hand

@Sadhguru

Not the heat

@Joe Rogan

Is it warm from friction?

@Sadhguru

Now, isn't there a sensation between them?

Yeah, yeah

So right now see right now what is the difference between you and the chair on which you're sitting?

It's only the sensations which tells you how do you know this is me?

This is not me right here

There are sensations here, no sensations

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

So essentially what you call as myself is a certain boundary of sensations

It's essentially boundary which determines what is you and what is not

You isn't it?

Yes, this water, is it you

@Joe Rogan

Will become me when I drink it

@Sadhguru

If you put it into the boundaries of your sensation, it becomes you

Yeah, and that's how this whole thing has come right when you were born

You were this much now you become this much. It's the food that you've eaten water that you took and everything into the boundaries of your sensation. Now you experience it as myself, 100%. So if you lose 10 kilograms

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

Would you think that 10 kilograms of me is gone?

No, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Well, what if you look in the mirror?

@Sadhguru

No, no in your experience

@Joe Rogan

Your experience is exactly the same except

@Sadhguru

Exactly the same because what is in within the boundaries of your sensation is you

@Joe Rogan

Maybe you feel healthier

Right?

@Sadhguru

If you do anything vigorous or intense, suddenly the boundaries of your sensation is breached and you experience something more

Why there is such a big draw?

Towards sexuality or people are rubbing each other all the time

Is just this

@Joe Rogan

Rubbing each other

@Sadhguru

Yeah, you know way

I'm saying it is because somewhere for one moment they are something more than what they are, somebody or something which is not themselves becomes a part of them, at least for

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

A moment yes

This breaching of sensory boundary is yoga

If you sit here and if you can spread your sensory body as big as this room, you would experience everything in this room as yourself

See right now your heart, your liver, your kidney, the five fingers of your hand

This was not you some time ago, isn't it?

You and you are a baby

Your finger was this much now

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

It became this much

That means these fingers, the way they are

They were not you just some time ago, but today they 100% you isn't it? How did this happen? Because this material got accumulated within the sense boundaries of your sensory body sensory body

If you make yourself exuberant, either because of joy or blissfulness, sensory body expands

If you expand your body in such a way, it's as big as the universe

You will experience the whole universe as yourself

This is yoga

So the twisting turning holding the breath, doing this, doing that all these things are to loosen up the body in such a way that your physical body and your sensory body are

Not stuck to each other, sensory body can expand today, you know if somebody lost a limb or something

They have something called as a phantom leg

Even if the leg is gone, they're still experiencing the leg because the sensory body is still not there

So essentially physical body is acting like a scaffolding for the sensory body, which gives the experience of life

If your sensory body was totally dead, you wouldn't experience anything, even if you had your body alright

So if your sensory body expands, you'll experience this whole room or this building, or this town as yourself

So this is what yoga means

This is the purpose of yoga because once you experience somebody or something as a part of yourself

Nobody has to teach you any morality

Be good, don't harm them

Don't do this

Don't do that

These teachings will be irrelevant for you, because anything that nobody ever taught you

This little finger don't bite it off

It is a poor little finger

Nobody had to tell you this because it's you write what you experience as myself

With that you have no conflict

This is what yoga means. The mechanism of getting there. There are various mechanisms. There are actually 112

Proper technologies as to how one can get into that space

@Joe Rogan

112 You talked about in your book that I was reading. You talked about the the different kinds of yoga and you told a very funny story about God getting them all together

@Sadhguru

The four yogis? Yeah

@Joe Rogan

Dude, you mind telling that what?

What are the different types of yoga there's?

@Sadhguru

Say you can do employ your body and perform action and do yoga

This is karma yoga

Karma means action using action to attain unity

With the existence

If you use your intelligence to get attain unity with the existence, then it is called as Nana Yoga, yoga, intelligence

If you use your emotion to get there, that is called as bhakti yoga

Yoga of devotion or emotion

And if you use your energies by refining and expanding your energies, if you do it, that is called as Kriya yoga

The Science and technology of expanding one's energies. So these are the only four ways you can do because these are only four things you have

Rest is all imagination

We have a body, you have a mind

You have emotions and you have energies

Life energies within you

Beyond this rest is all made up in terms of your beliefs and imaginations

These are the four realities you can only work with what you have

You cannot work with what you don't have, so these four things

Is there anybody who is only body, no mind, no emotion, no energy or only mind, not the other three?

All of us are a combination of the

Four, it's just

That in one person, the body may be dominant in another person

The mind may be dominant in another person

Emotion like this, different combinations of the same four ingredients are there in different human beings and different persons

So accordingly, yoga has to be mixed

This is why the significance in the Eastern cultures of having

A live guru?

Who's looking at you and making the right concoction?

Let's say you came to me when you were 20

Naturally, your body would be very dominant

We would give you one type of yoga

Now you returned when you're 40

Now maybe your mind is more dominant

Maybe your emotion is more dominant

Maybe energy is more dominant

Body could have receded a little

Bit so accordingly it has to be mixed so it is not like a common prescription

Everybody do this, everybody do

This is not going to work

It needs to be mixed the right way

Otherwise, it won't work

This is one reason a whole lot of people on the spiritual path feel first three months

They seem to be going somewhere after that they are stagnant because nobody to gauge that and you know tweak that thing according to their needs

@Joe Rogan

So they need a guru

They need someone

@Sadhguru

To see the word guru is a

4 letter word today in America

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, because they are fake ones, right?

@Sadhguru

That's why that's why I'm a Satguru. It has 88 alphabets

@Joe Rogan

Will you tell the story about God getting all the girls together?

All the different types of yogis together?

@Unknown

OK

@Sadhguru

So this is, uh, on a certain day, 4 yogis are walking in the forest

One is a Gnana Yogi yoga of intelligence

Another is a karma Yogi body yoga

Another is Bhakti Yogi emotional and devotional Yogi and other is a Kriya Yogi, master of energies

So suddenly a stomp picks up and they start running to find a shelter

The Bhakti Yogi who has I don't know who knows the geography of temples in the area

He says

Let's go in this direction

There's an ancient temple there, so they all ran there

Then they found an ancient temple where the walls had collapsed long time ago

Just the roof and in the center there's a

Day T they

All rushed into the temple, not out of love for the day T or God

There was no other place to sit, so they all four of them hugged the deity and sat down

Suddenly God appeared

They all wondered why

Now we did so much yoga you didn't come now when we're just escaping the storm, you turn up so they looked at him

Why now?

So God said at last you 4 idiots got together

I've been waiting for this for a long time

Body going One Direction, mind going another direction and emotion another way

How will anything happen?

These four things have to come together

This is very important, but today the way it is happening, the yoga

It's become very more

More like a exercise

If you want exercise, there are so many ways to do it goes

Have a swim

Maybe play tennis, maybe climb a mountain

You'll get much better exercise

Yoga is not for exercise

It will also give you that

It'll give you fitness. Also there are different types of yoga's for fitness. There are certain kind of yoga you must come. We can do this with you. It's called anger mordonna that means mastering your limbs

Without any equipment, you can master your limbs in such a way that you become very resilient. People are asking me, sadhguru, you're 65 years of age

How will you do this 30,000 kilometers on a lone motorcycle yourself riding like this across 26 or 27 countries?

I was just joking with them and I said see this is an advertisement for a yogic back

You will say I will ride

@Joe Rogan

How did yoga get started?

Like what what do you think was the origin of it?

Because it's an ancient form of

However, you want to call it an ancient practice, like what and it's obviously very beneficial to so many people to practice it

How did it get started?

@Sadhguru

See, there is nothing in the universe which is not yoga

In the sense

There is nothing in the universe which is not one with everything else

Except human mind

This is what we're talking about, soil also

There is nothing on this planet which is unconnected

There is nothing in this solar system unconnected

There's nothing in this universe unconnected, so everything is in yoga

The question is only whether you realize that or not

If you realize that if you experience that, then we call you a Yogi

Yogi means not somebody who is twisting and turning

Yogi means one who is experiencing the Union right now

That though you're an individual, your experience has gone beyond your individual nature you're experiencing

The universality of your existence

Your individual nature is a psychological condition

See physically, this is what we've been talking about

Soil nourishment, everything physically

If people don't understand this, if you close these two holes

@Joe Rogan

In those holes, yeah yeah

@Sadhguru

Keep your mouth also close

close this and see if you're not connected with the oxygen bubble around you

You won't exist for two minutes, right?

So where is your individuality?

I'm saying physically

With food, water with everything else, we can say it in so many different ways, but physically you know there is no individuality to your body

Only psychologically, this individual nature we have taken it too seriously simply because it's the magnanimity of creation

That which has given us an individual experience actually

In this cosmos, we are like a speck

If you, if you look at the solar system itself from somewhere

A million light years away, the solar system itself is a tiny spec in that planet

Earth is a micro spec in that micro spec

Texas is a Super Micro spec in that Austin is a super Super Micro spec in that you are a big man

This is a serious problem

@Joe Rogan

Right?

You take yourself seriously when you're really connected to everything and you think of yourself as an individual when you're not

You're really a part of everything

@Sadhguru

Your individuality is just a psychological thing, you

@Joe Rogan

Want to see a funny meme that points to that?

I bought that Sam Tripoli meme

Do you, yeah, do you know what?

Memes are, I think so yeah

They're funny things that people, well, it's

It's like a kind of a new form of comedy, but this one relates very closely to what you're saying, and it's this right here

You are here

Crying in the shower before work

Pointing to

The outer regions of the Milky Way Galaxy

@Sadhguru

Yeah, so this tiny micro micro Super Micro spec thinks it's the center of the universe, right?

@Joe Rogan

Funny, right?

@Sadhguru

This is serious issue

@Joe Rogan

It's a big problem for a lot of people, and you know what's the function of that

So like, why does the human animal think that way, like?

@Sadhguru

See as I said this is the magnanimity of creation

Though you're a tiny speck, you have an individual experience

This is the greatest gift that we have

We can sit here, even wonder about the universe not knowing where it begins, where it ends all right

Yeah, so this is a tremendous gift that we have been given an individuality

But you're taking it too seriously for this

The only cure is that you're always conscious that you're mortal

Your time you're on a limited lease of time

If you know this, you will not take your individuality seriously

You will enjoy it

The way it is

@Joe Rogan

The problem is our culture

Thrives on individuals taking themselves seriously

@Sadhguru

This is why

There is the most affluent country on the planet

Look at the amount of miseries people are going through

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, there's a lot

@Sadhguru

You know, I remember this

Uh, I was in 98 for the first time when I came to United States

I went there to the US embassy in Chennai to get my visa

So this is you had to at that time you had to go at like 6:30 in the morning

It would start at that time, 7:00 o'clock they will start seeing you

I went there because, you know, the consul general

A fine lady

She had heard about me

So instead of just doing at the counter, she asked me to come to her office

So I went there and there she asked me see, you're going to United States?

We've heard so much about you in India, but you know if you want to teach in the United

States you need

A A teacher

You know yoga teacher certificate

Are you certified?

I said if I had asked for a certification from my guru, you would have cut my throat so I don't have

I live yoga, I don't I don't. I'm not certified. Then we had a long chat and then I was coming out by about maybe 7:45

Then I see outside the US embassy at the outside the compound one young man, young boy like maybe in his early 20s sitting and crying

Literally crying his heart out

I couldn't ignore him

You know my car was already there and

Then I got off the car and went to him and asked, hey what's the problem?

His visa got rejected

The guy so bitter he could kill himself

He's in that kind of condition

@Joe Rogan

OK, they didn't

Let you go

So word about it

But that's not how it is

People think going to United States is everything

Ask the people who are living here how

Many complaints they have

They are miserable because they are here

@Sadhguru

You're not crazy

@Joe Rogan

That's what I'm saying, because human misery is not in India or America

It is within you

@Sadhguru

One of the things that struck me from your book was that you didn't read a lot of the writings on yoga until you're much older

You were practicing yoga, but you hadn't read

Read any of the ancient texts

@Joe Rogan

I have never read any ancient texts

Not even now

@Sadhguru

Really, yes, you don't have any desire to find what they were thinking

@Joe Rogan

Because my own clarity has never failed me, I don't want to confuse myself because

We don't know in these many thousands of years who all have added whatever nonsense they've added to

@Sadhguru

It right?

@Joe Rogan

You never know

@Sadhguru

That's a problem like human beings

@Joe Rogan

Over period of time you know every scripture has been meddled with by people, but anyway

All scriptures, it doesn't matter where they got the information from, how they received it, but written by human beings or write languages written by human beings

@Unknown

All right?

@Joe Rogan

There's no question

People may say God dictated to me, but still even if I dictate something to you, you can still write it wrong

So I'm saying

Those books I never read

The only book I read is this

@Sadhguru

Body your soul, your experience you yeah whatever

@Joe Rogan

This this

This this mechanism, which is in my

In my experience, because nothing else is in your experience, just see this

You can't experience what's here

You can only experience what is here

@Sadhguru

Do you find that?

That's kind of contradictory in some ways to your existence, because your what you're doing is expressing your experience to other people

@Joe Rogan

No, no, no

I'm not expressing no

@Sadhguru

You're not

@Joe Rogan

I see some experience

What did that Joe Rogan experience?

Oh OK

@Sadhguru

Yeah, it's the name of the podcast

@Joe Rogan

So I'm never, you know here and there when people ask questions

I may say something, but as I said, there's no philosophy

There is no teaching

There's no belief system, just methods

Yes, but you sit like this

@Sadhguru

You've given so much wisdom, yes

@Joe Rogan

You breathe like this

You do this this and this

This will happen to you

Your experiment

40 days you do it

If it works, you keep it

If it doesn't work

Try it and move

@Sadhguru

On, but do you see that you've written all this down for people to learn from?

No, you haven't

Why did you write it?

@Joe Rogan

I have not written down anything what is in the book what is in the book is more like a

@Sadhguru

You have books

@Joe Rogan

Brochure a brochure

It's a you know 300 page brochure. Just introducing you, that's not we will never write down what you have to use that has to be transmitted

@Sadhguru

Right, but you are riding your own personal experiences and people benefit from that greatly

@Joe Rogan

That is more for inspiration

A book is for inspiration, not for instruction

@Sadhguru

And you don't think that there's any inspiration to be gleamed from other people's

@Joe Rogan

Experiences. It is, of course

In Spitze, if you're looking for inspiration, is one thing

If you're looking for instruction, don't look in the book

No, no inspiration is different to get you fired up

Once you're fired up, you want to know now

Don't go on reading books that will not get you anywhere

You have to to start delve deeper into yourself

For that we can give you methods how to go deeper

See when I like we were talking

About the screwdriver, yes

How to do the?

Thing you know with the right kind of tool

If you use the wrong kind of tool, I give you a spanner for the screw which is in the furniture

It's not going to help

It's a tool, but it's not going to help the right tool, right?

That's all that is

All my work is to give them the right tool

I will not use the tool for them, they must use it only for a few who completely give themselves for them

I may also turn the screws for them, but largely we just give you the screwdriver

It's up to you

@Sadhguru

But even when you were younger, you didn't seek inspiration from some other peoples experiences

@Joe Rogan

Somehow it didn't work like that for me for me

Everything was a question mark

I'm saying if I see a leaf, it's a question

If I see a look at my father, it's a question

If I look at my mother, it's a question they were wonderful loving parents, but I had questions about everything, nothing

Negative, just a question, because question is a tool to dig deeper

Question is a not a way of insulting somebody

I ask you a question

This is not

To corner you to insult you to do something

Question is the only way to dig deeper, isn't it?

Like you know, like people have their experiences, their opinions about everything in the universe

For example, before coming here, a whole lot of people calling him sadhguru don't go on Joe Rogan show

Why are you going there?

Sadhguru you know what he is

I said whatever he is, let me go and find out what the hell he is

Why are you telling me who he is?

Alright, well no, no

He thinks this

He thinks that well if he thinks I'm a chimpanzee, I will prove I'm a very good one

I'm saying I have worked in prisons

You know, like we have a program called inner freedom for imprison both in United States

We worked, but then we stepped out of US in India. Our programs are mandatory in all the South Indian prisons

Really, yeah, and I worked with really hard code ******** you know criminals who have been convicted for murder and more

They have done terrible things, but when they are with me they are such wonderful guys

Lively and fantastic guys

But if you meet them and they are angry or dissatisfied, they may be terrible if you meet them when they are happy and joyful, they are fantastic people

So I'm saying every human being has opinions about everything

This is one thing I've done in

My life is

People who are with me for 25 thirty 40 years with me right next to me. I've it's very difficult for people to understand this. I have not formed a single opinion about them

Every day I look at them fresh

This is very important, yes, so when I sit here I look at you fresh

It doesn't matter what you have done because what you are going to be tomorrow is what is important, isn't it?

@Sadhguru

When you're experiencing these prisoners, do you think that that's part of the problem?

With having had a horrible past, you know, having been a criminal, having been a murderer is that you can never really get past those experiences, and a lot of people eyes they don't

@Joe Rogan

That's that's

Not true see

@Sadhguru

They don't experience you fresh

@Joe Rogan

See it see

The societies are made in a certain way where unfortunately certain people can't fit in alright, not necessarily because it's in a very American thing

This is a good guy

This is a bad

Guy, I don't look at life like that

It is just that in a given moment, if somebody makes one wrong judgment, he utters something, or he does something in that moment that may end up in the prison

I've met hundreds of them, thousands of them

Most of them are absolutely wonderful guys

There are few who are mentally pathologically somewhere else

That's different, right?

But rest of them

It's a given moment

They make wrong judgments because that's all they know at that given

@Sadhguru

Do you think that the practice of yoga can reform people?

@Joe Rogan

Oh yes, of course I will tell you

I will tell you this

See when I first went into the prison in Coimbatore to teach

Don't mistake me

@Sadhguru

Right?

@Joe Rogan

And it was very difficult to get him

I discovered that

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@Sadhguru

Within the

@Sadhguru

Part of Coimbatore city, there was a prison central prison, so I said let me go and see who is inside. I want to work with them. About 28 years ago

And then I found it took me over two years to get inside

It's so difficult to get in

You need qualifications

You know I was not qualified

It took all kinds of permissions to get inside because this was a high security prison

Then once I got in, everybody said all the prison officers who knew me

They said Sadhguru, you're wasting your time here every Sunday

Christian priest come all these guys do his mischief on Hindu festivals

Hindu people come, they do more mischief and Muslims come more mischief

Other kinds of service organizations come more mischief is all you will get

You'll just waste your time here

Please don't do this

I said you just give Me 2 hours

So there were 12 wards in the QT prison, each with about 200 prisoners. So I took the long term prisoners one ward with 200 people

So when I went there, I said they wanted to put them in the C normally prism

In there they pushed them into one Holland

So sit down here

So the guru has come

I said no

Just I want to meet them on the ground outside

They are all sitting there like this

Yeah, OK, who's this guy was coming?

You know they have a certain

This is an anger and angst against the society which is locked him up

It's very difficult for people to understand what this is

I'm not, not once I've gone into prison and come out without tears in my eyes because

Everything seems normal

On the surface there is pain in the air

Just this is so important for a human being to be free you

Know yes

Just nothing else

Food is good, they get food better than probably their homes

Everything is controlled

They're all very fit, actually much more fitter than the outside people

But there is pain in the air

Just it's so painful so I went there and we played a game with them

They were just surprised that I'm playing a game with them

We played dodgeball

With the guys within about 10-15 minutes, they have forgot their. You know, prison like little children there screaming and yelling and playing like crazy

And then I told them see I want to stay here for 10 days and work with you. You won't believe 80% of them in two hours time. They're all crying. They said don't go you stay with us

And then we started the program. Since then, continuously last 27 years programs have been going on

Most of them are, you know, school dropouts

They're not really very literate and educated

But they wrote thousands of poems

One one guy who killed three people in the courtroom so he was in the courtroom

@Unknown

In the courtroom though

@Sadhguru

He killed three people

Some vengeance

Issue, you know?

So he's on the death row

See, prison is quite a normal society during the daytime

It's evening 6:00 o'clock

There they have to go inside and the doors are locked

Even if the medical emergency nobody can open those doors unless a magistrate gives permission

The local officer cannot open the gate even if the guy is dying inside

It cannot be opened no matter what happens

That's the law

So he wrote a poem which stuck in my mind

He said every day when the cell door closed, I thought this is my grave

But now I see it's become my Bodhi tree and the gate when the door closes, I close my eyes and I'm in a completely different space altogether

This is my freedom

And now after after about six years he was executed

And we also took local industry and promised them that you know when they come out, they'll be jobs for them

Those who can come out after a few years because in India life term is 20 years, not life life

And in 20 years, if there's good behavior 14 years, they'll get a remission

So many of them who have been there for murder in 14 years time they will come out so nobody gives them a job everywhere

Everybody looks at them suspiciously

So we set up their local businesses to include them into their factories and businesses so that they're not going to commit murder every day

It's just happened once in their lifetime

@Joe Rogan

So how?

How does yoga reform these people?

@Sadhguru

This is all it is to tell me if you're feeling very happy right now

Will you go and beat up?

That guy, Jamie

@Joe Rogan

Let me know even if I

@Sadhguru

Was mad, even if he's somebody that you don't like

@Joe Rogan

I love Jamie

@Sadhguru

No, it's not him anybody

@Joe Rogan

Oh anybody

@Sadhguru

When you're joyful, will you go and simply beat up that guy?

No something nasty happening within you

Anger your anger, frustration, something that's when you do ugly things, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Yeah well yeah sure

@Sadhguru

This is true for every human

So you you just label somebody as a criminal

What you need to understand is this is a deep rooted unhappiness or frustration or something that's built up because of social reasons or parental reasons or genetic reasons

There's so many, OK, not one aspect

Somewhere this life is unhappy

Frustrated, angry now it wants to do something unpleasant

If this life is feeling very pleasant, why will it do unpleasant things?

So this is all we have focused too much in this world

On trying to produce good human beings

Good human beings

Have caused terrible things

People who think they are good

They have done the worst possible things

@Joe Rogan

There's a lot of that

@Sadhguru

Thinking they are good

If we focus on creating joyful and sensible human beings

A whole lot of trouble will

Go away in the world

This is what yoga is about that you're pleasant within yourself when you are feeling pleasant, you do pleasant things naturally

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, so you create

This environment where people learn to be pleasant

Or you help them cultivate that pleasantness

@Sadhguru

It is not an environment, it is you understand

Human experience is coming from within me, see right now

Let's say we are working together and I'm oppressive, whatever and you think you're unhappy because of me

But if you realize, see my unhappiness is my doing

You will undo it, isn't it?

You think your unhappiness is because of me?

It goes on and on because

It's under my control now

The day you realize my unhappiness, the source of my unhappiness, unhappiness is me, not somebody else

And you take charge of that aspect there

Is there is a method to do that

Once you do that, you are happy

Once you are happy by your own nature then you will do what is most needed, because once you are very happy you have no pursuit of happiness

Your life is an expression of joy, not in pursuit of happiness

This is the shift that needs to happen in the world right now

People are in pursuit of happiness

If your life becomes an expression of your joy rather than being pursuit of happiness, you will Start Stop squeezing the world the way you're squeezing it

This soil, this environment, these problems everything is

In pursuit of human happiness and well being

@Joe Rogan

Do you think that the physical practice of yoga, meaning the exercise aspect of it, alleviates tension and allows people to relax enough to look at their life in a different way?

@Sadhguru

If they do it properly, yes

When they, when I say properly

Some people are trying to do it like anaerobic exercise

No, we teach what is called as classical yoga

You don't have to do all these very difficult postures and all that

Most yogis master only one posture

People don't know this in this country, only one

@Joe Rogan

One posture like what posture?

@Sadhguru

Sure, anything they will choose one posture and they will just master that

So actually in the you know the traditionally what yoga says is if you master one posture, that means generally

2 hours, 40 minutes

If you can sit one way without any sense of discomfort, irritation, agitation, nothing in your system, this is your posture

You just master that one posture, then the rest of the yoga is internal

Physical body is only that much

@Joe Rogan

So most yogis just have one thing that they do and they can do it for hours

@Sadhguru

Yes, if they can

If you can sit here, see what it means is your body is not in the vein

Your body, yeah see right now

@Joe Rogan

Is not in

The way that it's still there pudding

@Sadhguru

You want to be happy, but your thought is in the way your emotion is in the way your body is in the way

So once you put the body away, you must understand

In yoga there is no such thing as mind

There is physical body

There is mental body

If your body is not in the way, suddenly you discover that even your mind is not in the way

@Joe Rogan

How do you think they figured this out?

This is getting back to this you

@Unknown

OK

@Joe Rogan

Kind of went around that, but

@Sadhguru

This this happened over 15,000 years ago. The first Yogi he's referred to as the Adiyogi today. To honor him we have set up 112 feet

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

Tall bust of Adi Yogi

In India, you must look him

@Joe Rogan

112 feet tall bust what part of India?

@Sadhguru

You can look him up

Audio guy

In southern India, Enquanto in Tamil Nadu. So this is 112 feet because he gave 112 methods

As to how?

So this is what to say this is

@Joe Rogan

1000 years ago I figured

@Sadhguru

This out over 15,000 years ago

Bear saying this over 15,000 years ago because of they talked about certain celestial happenings. Those happenings have been confirmed today as well over 15,000 years ago and we have iconographic proof of something like 12,400 years. Yeah, that's odd

112 feet tall

@Unknown

Great hair

@Joe Rogan

That's a crazy statue, yeah?

@Sadhguru

This design this is this was designed by me and built by all volunteers inside the center, yeah

@Joe Rogan

How old is that statue?

@Unknown

Really so is that, uh?

@Joe Rogan

Where was building?

So can you go inside of?

@Sadhguru

This is just

That you can go inside, but there's no building inside because it's metal

It gets very hot inside

@Joe Rogan

Wow, that's

@Sadhguru

Beautiful. The idea was when I designed this it took Me 2 1/2 years to design this face

You're not seeing the face very clearly

Let's see if we can get a picture where the

Face is clear

It's very yeah maybe yeah

So I wanted intoxication, stillness and exuberance on one face. So it took Me 2 1/2 years

To design this

Face, what do you think it has these qualities?

@Unknown

I think this

@Joe Rogan

I think you nailed it

How was this constructed?

This is all metal

@Sadhguru

It's all metal

@Joe Rogan

How did how was?

@Sadhguru

It made so we made this. It took us some 680 tons of steel

Now we are doing another one near Bangalore, the same one. But now we are doing it with almost 170 tons less because now we figured out the design much better

@Joe Rogan

Wow, wow

That's incredible though

I mean, it really is gorgeous, and that's all

Is it welded together?

Like how is it?

@Sadhguru

Yeah, see

We say you can see some patchwork here

You're not seeing it, but actually the metal pieces are all about this much size

We could have removed that we could have, we know, braced that and removed that, but when I looked at it, the roughness of it looked better than a smooth face, so I just left it as it is

So there are

Patches so you can

@Joe Rogan

And the construction method when you're saying it

@Sadhguru

See, you can see the construction material

Not really that visible, but you can see for an observer you can see that which gives a kind of roughness

To the statue

Not very smooth

@Joe Rogan

So this Yogi, the device is 112

@Sadhguru

So when he came, he appeared somewhere in Himalayas and

People saw that he was dancing wildly in ecstatic states, completely oblivious to everything around him

Or he sat still

For days on end weeks on end he just sat, still unmoving

So initially a lot of thousands of people gathered some miracle is happening, but slowly because he didn't perform any miracles, no fireworks happened, people got bored and they left

Only seven disciples hung on because they saw the greatest miracle

He's the man is not getting up for food, water, toilet, nothing

That means he's beyond the physical nature

He just sat there for months on end

Sometimes the only sign of his aliveness was tears of ecstasy were dribbled dribbling down his cheeks

That was the only sign of life

Otherwise he looked like he's dead

So when he came to his some moments when he came to his consciousness, they pleaded they wanted to learn

What is it that is happening to you?

So he tried to be dismissive

He didn't want to be in touch with them, but when they hung on, when they persisted then he put them on a preparatory kind of work

They went through the preparatory work and then he started expounding for many years

What is the science of how human mechanism is made?

And you won't believe this?

100 and 150 years ago, Charles Darwin talked about evolutionary process

Over 15,000 years ago he spoke something which is parallel to Darwin's theory of evolution. Even today every Indian knows about Indian person knows about this. There are 10 authors

Avatar means not the movie that you saw

Avatar means a manifestation

So 10 hours, our first avatar is called Match Avatar, which means the life was in the form of fish or it was water

It was in the

Water, the second one is

Gourmet author, which means it's a turtle that means it became an amphibious life

The third one is a wild war

It's called where hotter it you know other small things happen, but the mammals came, then the next one is called narashima who is half man half animal

Next one is a doffed man, woman author

The next one is a full grown man, but Awala tile man. He's so angry and so crazy over fighting man that always he went about chopping off people to he got so angry and he lopped off his own mother's head

So the next one is a peaceful man, is, uh, Rama, author

He's a peaceful gentleman

The next one is a loving man

Krishna avatar, the next one is a Buddha avatar who's a meditative man

The next one the 10th one is supposed to be the mystical man

These are not individual people to be seen these. This is the evolution of life on the planet. If you look at Darwin's theory of evolution somewhere, it runs parallel to this from waterborne life to amphibious life too

This way half man half animal dwarfed man like this it is grown so he talked about this and he said see if you want to evolve further

Then something in relationship to the Earth and the sun must change

Otherwise, physiologically, you're not going to evolve further, but you have a consciousness with which you can transform yourself absolutely and become completely different from what you are right now

Right now, you're available to all the forces of nature

Right now, in many ways you are enslaved to what's happening around you

You can rise above this and evolve consciously

But physiological evolution has come to a standstill because planetary movement and who you are right now, the the planet and the solar system is functioning like a Potter's wheel. To make this happen

This life, like a Potter's wheel, you know

@Unknown

Like what?

@Sadhguru

Potter's wheel, Potter's

@Joe Rogan

Wheel yeah

@Sadhguru

It's functioning like that

It's got new to this place, so people ask can we can we develop more intelligence?

Can we become bigger than this?

He says no

Physiologically, your evolution has come to a place, unless there is some serious change in the relationship between the planet and the

Son, that will not happen, but consciously you can evolve. So then he propounds 112 ways as to how you can do it. 112 distinct ways, how you can do it

So that is how yoga started

@Joe Rogan

Who do you think this person was?

@Sadhguru

These are the Yogi

If they called him because he never introduced himself, they called him Yogi because he was the first one

They called him adiyogi

Adiyogi means the first Yogi

And he is also referred to as Shiva

Shiva means one who is not

That which is not in the sense see today. Modern science is speaking in these terms in an atom. For example, over 99% of it is empty space

That is proton, neutron, electron. All that covers less than one percent, 99% is empty space, so it is in the cosmos

99% is empty space. See right now you look at this ceiling and you think it's full of star like lights, but actually there's more empty space than lights, isn't it? But because our visual apparatus are in a certain

Certain way, designed in a certain way, it gives more prominence to light because that's what we see more clearly

So he said everything is like this

So if you transcend your physical nature, you become a Shiva

That means you are nothing, but nothing is the most powerful dimension of the existence because it is in the lap of the nothingness

Everything is happening

What you call as everything is just 1%

@Joe Rogan

Do you think this was a real person of a real individual, or do you think it's representative of the the learning of yoga and the best way to establish it to express it was to make it a person?

@Sadhguru

It's a real person because the places where he came, what he spoke, everything is recorded in history, largely by lore

Today people are trying to write it down in books because in India we don't believe in scholarship

We believe in experience in our experience, so it's always transmitted as a oral tradition for a long time

These days people are writing down in many ways

It was a real person because

@Joe Rogan

The credit for spectacular human being

If they could do all the things

@Sadhguru

Absolutely see when he came down South in southern India at that time, people were way shorter than the northern people

So they say he was twice the height of an average South Indian woman

So they say he must have been because an average South Indian woman tribal woman were like four or four and a half feet

So he must have been seven or eight feet tall that people said he was twice that, and they say when he stood next to your horse, he was as tall as the horses ears

@Joe Rogan

But do you think these are exaggerations, do you think?

@Sadhguru

Oh, exaggerations could be there

@Joe Rogan

What do you think this is?

@Sadhguru

But because his physical size doesn't mean anything for his yoga, right?

@Joe Rogan

But why?

@Sadhguru

So there is no point exaggerating that aspect

I'm saying right?

So if he was a warrior, somebody may exaggerate him, but for a Yogi, what is the point making him a big?

Guy, physically it's a

@Joe Rogan

To make him divine so so physically unique

@Sadhguru

No, that that is the whole thing, see

In India?

The Indian culture

If you are on the spiritual path, we call you a seeker

If you ascribe to religion, we call you a believer

Alright, belief means something that you do not know because an authority speaks you believe that it could be your father who says that this is the truth and you believe in me as a child

Then it may be a priest, then it may be somebody bigger

Or it may be in a book you believe it because it comes from an authority, but the nature of that culture

The eastern culture sees

There is no authority for us

Truth is the only authority

Authority is never the truth, so that is the essence of Eastern mysticism and eastern spirituality

That it is

You're always a seeker, never a believer

@Joe Rogan

So you think that yoga just emanated from this one incredibly unique human being that was larger than everybody else?

That had supernatural abilities that existed 15,000 years ago

@Sadhguru

See now you're making a superhuman being out of somebody

@Joe Rogan

But making an 8 foot tall person who can go for days on end without drinking water?

@Sadhguru

No, you see there have been so there have been people like that

Alright, in every culture there have been physically large people, but physical physical size

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, there have been people that

@Sadhguru

Has nothing to do with these capabilities because the abilities

@Joe Rogan

Right, but the capabilities are super physical too, aren't they?

@Sadhguru

See, this is what it's about

Yoga is not about being superhuman

Yoga is about realizing being human is super

That's what is important, so that's the whole thing that he's saying

How being human is so super

If you explore your humanity to its fullest, you will become so fantastic

Being a human being itself is a fantastic feat

You don't have to act like a super human being

He did not perform any miracles

He did not do anything

He just taught them how to be beyond the limitations of 1's physical and psychological structures. That's all

@Joe Rogan

Do you think if this person didn't exist that yoga still would have been invented without him?

@Sadhguru

Of course, somebody else would have

After that many, many yogis have come, but he is the maybe even before there were people

But they did not speak or they did not gather disciples who would take

So he sent his seven disciples in seven different directions

One was sent to southern India, who is today

We hold him as the father of Southern mysticism

He's August amone

Who came down South and he did maximum amount of work there

Every human habitation he touched at that time and brought

Spiritual process as a living practice, not as a separate practice, just the way you say it, that just the way you do things, just the way you address each other

Was made into a spiritual process

See right now in India

If people go to the temple and whatever their favorite deity

If they worship, they will stand like this

If anybody comes also, they'll stand like this

If a dog comes also, they'll do this

If they see a rock also, they'll do this

They see a tree

Also, they'll do this

@Joe Rogan

For the people just listening, you're holding your hands together in prayer

@Sadhguru

It is not in prayer

@Joe Rogan

Well, this way whatever you're doing with your hand

@Sadhguru

This is done to everybody

Alright, so because spiritual process is not alien to the life that you live, the way you live has to become spiritual

It's not that you have a spiritual practice and you

Have a separate life

It is the same thing you you integrate it into your life

So he did that

Another one stayed with him, another one came to the northern part of India

Another one went to Central Asia

There are, you know there are certain footprints office another when went to North Africa, another went to South Asia, another when another one came to

South America

Wherever these yogis went, suddenly those cultures where they went saw a sudden upsurge in the knowledge of geometry

Wherever you see extraordinary sense of geometry which is not in line with the tribal existence that they had, that means a Yogi

Same that

@Joe Rogan

Sense of geometry

Meaning like the structures that they built architecture

@Sadhguru

Yes, structures that they build artifacts

They created the way they arranged things around themselves

Suddenly they had a different sense of geometry because yoga is essentially a cosmic geometry

@Joe Rogan

Cosmic geometry

@Sadhguru

In to align yourself in line with the cosmos so that it reverberates as the same

@Joe Rogan

Which brings us to UFO's

@Sadhguru

There is some substance and a lot of imagination with this UFO business

We are always thinking life, you know, like all this I'm I'm saying this not with any

There are many people who could have experienced something who could have seen something

I'm saying generally the popular imagination of a UFO or craft will come on land somebody will

Come out of it

So you're thinking like this because that's how human beings operate alright

That we will go land somewhere

Then the door opens

We come out

How do you know that?

Is how they also do it?

That's not how it is

I have living experience with certain extraterrestrial lifeforms

You do

There are a whole lot of videos which I've spoken about

I have a reputation of being very logically correct now

I don't want to lose it by talking about it to everybody, but in exclusive groups have spoken in detail

I've made other people experience these things very profound experiences of life

Which is not of this planet, but it's not like a craft will land

They'll open the door, they'll come out

This is all your own thing

You parked the car, you opened the door, you locked the door

You came out

This is your thinking, alright

It is not necessary

Other life should operate the way we operate

It is nothing like where we are

It's something totally different

So people have seen things here and there

Some of it could be mistake

Some of it could be exaggeration

Some of it could be just total lies, but definitely some people have seen something some people have experienced something

There is no denying everybody will not be lying

There is no denying it is there

But we are thinking just the way we are

They will also be all we can think is a little bigger ears, little bigger eyes, maybe three eyes instead of two

This is just exaggeration of what we already know

Leave the imaginations aside

Is there life beyond us?

It would be very pompous to believe that in such a vast core cosmos, we are the only evolved life on the planet in the universe is itself a very pompous belief system

Definitely there is more life and

You know it is

It is done

We have done things with it in the past

@Joe Rogan

We've done things with

@Sadhguru

It yes, we've done some experiments with such life

We have made people experience this very strongly

@Joe Rogan

When you say, wait who do?

You mean we as a group?

@Sadhguru

We have done certain things you yes

@Joe Rogan

So how?

@Sadhguru

I don't go into

It why not?

I have a reputation of being very logically correct

@Joe Rogan

Well, if you're logically correct about extraterrestrials, wouldn't that be beneficial to people?

That are hearing this

@Sadhguru

No, there are

See, our logic is related to our

Existence the way we are made

Yes, the way the existence is made doesn't fit into our logic

This is the biggest mistake that modern societies are making

You are trying to fit the existence into your logic

No, your logic has place in the existence

Existence cannot be

You can't fit it into your logic

Because your logic functions between binaries of two

You and me have to be there for logic

The whole spiritual experience itself is not logically correct because the experience of life is beyond two

There are no binaries in spiritual process

When I use the word spiritual, I'm not using the word spiritual the way religions are using

They're talking about a spirit

Which goes and comes and whatever not in that sense, if you experience your life

Beyond your physiological and psychological construct

Then your spiritual

@Joe Rogan

So you mentioned it, which is already the most difficult thing to do now to talk about it

You feel like would somehow or another discredit you

I don't understand that because just because

@Sadhguru

I have to be logically correct, otherwise you cannot speak pleasant

@Joe Rogan

But how are you experiencing this?

Thing can you?

Just tell me how you're experiencing these things

@Sadhguru

See in certain spaces

Uh, there are very strong presence, which is when you feel the texture of that life

You know it is not like anything that we know here

Obviously it doesn't belong here it is

It has a different source than the life that we are

When I say the life that we are

See, this is the yogic sciences

This will confuse people if we go that far because people are thinking

Yoga is far backache

Yoga is for health

You guys for

Slimming down, we've like this, yeah

@Joe Rogan

Very established, that's not the case

@Sadhguru

So yoga means you know the texture of life

That is one thing I'm talking about

The texture of this life

If you know the texture of

This life

OK, so people ask me how do you know all this?

I don't know anything

There's only one thing I know

I know the nature of this piece of life from its origin to its ultimate because every other life is in some way built the same way

People think I know every other life

No, I know only this life

But fortunately every other life from a single microbe to a human being, to every other creature

In some ways, a reflection of this life because it's all connected

Even the evolutionary sciences are saying the same thing

Even the religions are saying the same thing, all right

In that sense, I know the texture of this life and that life and every other life here, but there are some lives which don't have the texture which are totally different

@Joe Rogan

And how are you experiencing these lives?

@Sadhguru

You want me to say something ridiculous?

@Joe Rogan

No, I don't think it's ridiculous at all, no no

@Sadhguru

No, if I say something which is illogical, it will seem ridiculous, right?

@Joe Rogan

I don't think it's illogical

@Sadhguru

It will be logical because it will not fit into the framework of human logic

@Joe Rogan

While the framework of human logic is based on our own experience and interpretation of the life that we lived, it doesn't mean that other people haven't experienced or interpreted something that is beyond our comprehension

Because we haven't experienced it personally

I think that's logical

@Sadhguru

We we have done experiments where

We attracted certain

Certain life which is not which doesn't have any texture of earthly life

@Joe Rogan

And how do you conduct these experiments?

@Sadhguru

We I used certain people to

Invite them into their bodies and what happened there is totally

Unbelievable for people because I'll tell you a simple thing. I invited a certain life into one person's body

I kept the weather was already like nearly zero

Kind of subzero kind of atmosphere

It was in Tibet

And I kept a bowl of water about 3 inches above the head

And when this life entered and I tried to hold it within that body, you won't believe this bowl which is 3 inches

The person is lying down on the ground on wet soil

You know they just put a bed sheet and this person is lying down

This bowl is about 3 inches above the head on the ground

The water started boiling

There are over 200 people watching the water boiling, all right

Because it created so much heat, then I let it go because it could burn up the person you know, choose out that person in some ways because the moment it felt trapped it created such heat

The water is actually boiling 3 inches away

@Joe Rogan

Did you film this?

@Sadhguru

From the bottom

From a distance they've filmed it bad filming

You know they were not really looking for it, but it is there

@Joe Rogan

And how many times has this happened?

@Sadhguru

We did this about two times

We did it properly

Another time we did a mild 1

After that I thought I will go spend time there, which has never happened

And above all

It doesn't serve any purpose like that

You know it doesn't

@Joe Rogan

Serve a purpose to experiment

@Sadhguru

It doesn't say it is

It is more to

No, not

It doesn't serve a purpose as to how you can use because it could be

I I have to admit I was stepping into a area where I don't know damn thing

OK, so you could make a mistake and take somebody's life or your own life or something like that

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

So whatever these life forms are that you're experiencing, they they're only you can only experience them through another person's body

@Sadhguru

No no no

Not like that only because I experienced

I wanted to demonstrate it to the people who were

@Joe Rogan

Watching and how did you know that it was a thing?

Like how did you know that you could experience it that way and it exhibit it?

Put it on display for the

People that are watching

@Sadhguru

See your whole perception right now

For most human being is limited to five senses

Seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, this is how you know

The world

If something has no smell, no taste, no touch

You won't know

@Joe Rogan

But there could be an infinite number of senses that we're not aware of that we don't possess

@Sadhguru

Oh yes, yes

So these things are faced in many places, but there are certain places where there is a

Unreasonable level of concentration

So one place is this Kailash Mansarovar region in Tibet

In last two years we've been not being able to go because the Chinese have closed this because of this corona virus or whatever

Probably next year it'll open up

Last year we went

We viewed Colossian Manasarovar from 8 to 10 kilometres away at the Nepali border we went there and

Even from a distance, what it does to people is unbelievable

@Joe Rogan

So it's just one concentrated hotspot

Yeah of activity

@Sadhguru

Yes, and that too, it's like clockwork exactly 2:30 in the morning it starts

Boom activity like that for about 1 1/2 hours. One hour 40 minutes like that. After that it just goes down

It's almost like a busy airport boom, boom boom, boom things are happening but not like crafts or anything, just bunches of lives just up and down

Things happening for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours Max

@Joe Rogan

Do you think there are extraterrestrial?

Do you think they're interdimensional?

Do you think?

They're spirits

@Sadhguru

They're not spirits, no, no

Anything that's related to the planet

We will just know immediately

It's not a

@Joe Rogan

Something that's from somewhere else

@Sadhguru

It is definitely from somewhere else

And you know, like

These are crazy things, man, why do you want me to speak about this?

@Joe Rogan

So I don't think that that crazy

I think they're only crazy because we haven't experienced them

If you tried to explain

Many of the things that we take for granted because they're normal

To someone who's never experienced in them, like if you tried to experience fire to someone who had never experienced fire, it would be the craziest idea that you could run across them that there's a thing that's not alive

But it consumes things and it could kill all life on this planet

But it could also serve a purpose

To heat your home and cook your food

@Sadhguru

This is what I'm saying

In in yoga there are three types of fires within you

It is jitter Agni chit Agni boutigny jitter

Agni means the fire of stomach and the reproductive aspect

These two fires, which keep your survival going

Chit Agni is the fire of your intelligence which propels a human being to do so many things

Boutigny is the fire of five elements of Earth

Earth, water, air, fire and space

These five elements, which is the composite of what everything physical is

So these three fires

Only if you keep them in control right now you know, for example, we're talking about the soil

These whole civilizations have been built because of our gastronomic fire

And our intellectual fire

The same gastronomic fire, if it's unquenched it can burn the world down

Right now UN agencies

Are predicting that by 2035 there will be dozens of civil wars across the world

Because food shortages will cause that

Because this fire is not met means people will set fire to

Each other

@Joe Rogan

How did you know that these entities or whatever these things are that you experienced existed?

@Sadhguru

So I was talking about 5 senses

See for your sense organs to experience anything you need a contrast

Only because there is light you know darkness

If it's all dark, you wouldn't know what his darkness what is like

Only because there is night you know what's your day only because there is a woman

You know what's a man?

Everything is by polarities

If there are no polarities, your eyes, your ears, your anything

Your five senses cannot function

So it is based on the information that these five senses has given you that your whole logical intellect has developed

Without this information

This will not do anything, it's only from the data that you got by seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, and touching, your intellect is functioning in a certain way, so right now you can see this part of my hand, but you can't see this part

If you see this spot, you can't see this spot

This is the nature of your

Vision, isn't it?

Now, if you hear that sound at that moment, you don't hear the silence

So everything is like this

You see only a part of it through sense perception

Because of this, your logic is all in pieces

So with logically if you arrive at

Any conclusion it is like I gave you a million piece jigsaw

You found five pieces

You put them together and say, oh, this is a bear

This is a bear, no, you're in Texas, this is

A horse you said?

Because with five pieces you arrived at some conclusion

This is what intellect means

This is why, in yogic sciences we don't attach any significance to what you think and feel, because out of a million piece jigsaw you found a few pieces and you're making your conclusions

It's not of any relevance for one who wants to know it may be of relevance who one wants to survive

It may be of relevance for one who wants to win a race with somebody else

OK, your heart you figured out the horse better than somebody else

You win the race, but it's not of any relevance for someone who wants to know for a seeker

It's of no relevance

So how to go beyond sense perception?

How to know life beyond sense perception is the entire aspect of yoga, because as long as sense perception is on you and me distinctly separate

No way that is you

This is me

Only if you go beyond sense perception

We were doing this beyond your sensory limitations

If you go something that not you becomes you

Right now with food it's happening

Something, see when it's on your plate

You call this my food when you eat it, you say it's me, isn't it?

Something that's not you became you

So this is yoga that you understand

The sense perception is dividing the world and this division is needed for your survival process

But this division is no use for you to know life

The way it is

So the yogic sciences are focused on how to transcend the sensory perception, how to suspend your senses and simply perceive life without the division

If you do that, everything that is here will be in some way known to you, and there is so much here that people don't see

If you talk about it, you look like a mumbo jumbo so you know which doctor, so you don't talk about these things

@Joe Rogan

But how did you know that it was going to be in that area?

@Sadhguru

It's not that I knew it's in that area

I had heard stories about that place, but

I thought I'll just go there one time just to see because it's a magnificent place by any standard

It's a beautiful, beautiful place

So it's a little over the lake is around 4400 feet above mean sea level. The Kolosh peak is almost 19,000 feet

So once I went and the magnificent nature of that see the mountain is a place, this is

A yogic tradition that when a Yogi gets to know certain things

He knows he cannot share it

His experience he cannot share it because nobody will understand it

Because it cannot be understood, it can only be experienced

So what he will do is he will store it in an energy form in a place where there is not too much for human footprint at the same time, it's not completely inaccessible

There are many places like this in India

There are places like that in other parts of

The world also

One fantastic place that you must visit is in United States is math opiela

@Unknown

Where's that?

@Sadhguru

The number is in Wyoming, Wyoming

Near what Rapid City?

You they they call it the devil's tower you heard of that in many Western movies?

@Joe Rogan

The devil

Towers that from close encounters of the third kind is that

@Sadhguru

In I don't know about that movie, but in many Western movies it's always there

It just ends, yeah

@Joe Rogan

That's close encounters of the third time

@Sadhguru

This is called Marty Pella

@Joe Rogan

And in that Steven Spielberg movie

That's a very significant place

'cause that's where the aliens land

@Sadhguru

Oh, is that so

So this is a powerful, powerful space in America

This is 1 space I found, which is naturally tremendous, and see this is Kailash

It's a, it is something else, it's

It is the greatest mystical library on the planet, yes

@Joe Rogan

Place collage

What do you think is going on there?

Uh, what do you think is going?

On there, why is it all concentrated?

@Sadhguru

It is the one thing is Adiyogi himself was there

He lived there so he stored all that he knows there and many other yogis

Later on, many Buddhist teachers like Padma Shamba and Manjushri

All these people and even the Jain monks

They all went and stored their energies there because

The knowledge that they know they don't want it

To be

Lost it can't be transmitted to people because you will not find a suitable people to do that

So you place it somewhere where in future somebody who has the capability will access this

I'll tell you one experience

I'm going into the mumbo jumbo world

Why man, I came

For the same mumbo jumbo

@Joe Rogan

It's not mumbled

@Sadhguru

I came for safe soil

You getting me somewhere else

@Joe Rogan

We're doing both

I don't think it's mumbo jumbo

@Sadhguru

See, this happened

I was, uh, this is what just thinking the years I'm not good with years

Must be 1010 eleven years ago, maybe 2008 or

Even before that, I'm sorry 2000

Three or four

I started running temperature

I was in India no

First I was in California

I was in Los Angeles

I started running temperature

And I come to speak in the Thai group

You know, there is an Indian group entrepreneurs group

And I spoke there and

The President of the Thai Group invited me to their home again to speak again to another exclusive group

I speaking there, I'm running running very high temperature and I'm

You know my clothes are all wet with sweat

So one man raised his hand

I thought he wants to ask a question

I said fine

He said you need to go to the emergency room right now

I said yes, I know, but I'll finish this doc and go

Then I finished that talk and then I went to the hospital like I was running very high temperature so they gave me this that and they said this is some kind of typhoid

So I met one wonderful Doctor Who was a Tropical Medicine expert

He said this is some strange kind of typhoid, so he gave me a whole lot of antibiotics

This that I took that and then I went to UK where I had a four day residential program

All the four days I was running very high temperature, but I finished that program in this 40 years

I've never cancelled one program because I was not well

I've never done that, so I went back to India. I had a television shoot I had to shoot 52 weeks of material in about four to five days

So from whole day I'm shooting and

If I sit down for 30-40 minutes of shoot, I'm like my whole floor. All my clothes are wet with sweat. I have to change my clothes because I'm sweating so much

And then after shooting the whole day on the second or third day, I came home and I was like feeling like my brains are getting fried up so hot that I

The thermometer and put it

It said one out seven

I thought old man, I'm killing myself right now

So with my entire my clothes, everything I went and should have stood

Under the cold shower

Then I called the doctor and said, you know it was reading one or seven

I stood under the cold shower

So this is the smartest thing you've done in

Your entire life

If you had been in that for another few minutes, you would have a stroke or you would have something for sure

Then they said it's some kind of what malaria?

And they gave me malarial medicine. I had typhoid medicine. Then I got malaria medicine. Then they said three different types of malaria's that diagnosed in one month time and they changed the medication. Change the medication

And then I went to Australia

I was running temperature

I was in Singapore

I was running temperature

I came to India for two days

I was running temperature

Then I came back to United States

So it was my daughter's vacation, so I told her I'll take her to some lake house. Somebody had a friend of ours, so I said I'll take her on a lake

So I have a port, you know, Ivy port running by now I have antibiotic every day running about 3:00 or 4 hours a day with Ivy port on

I'm riding a boat and taking her around and everything going on wow

By then I have done

About 18 blood tests

And about four MRI's all kinds of bizarre things. They're saying and changing the prescription and giving me this medication that medication

Temperature didn't go down, it just went on and on

Then I was in North Carolina on this lake house around 2:00 AM

I knew that I was just kind of collapsing

Gonna kind of we're not dropping off then I I I called out and they called for an ambulance

It came and they took me to a local hospital in Cashiers, in north

In Carolina and these doctors looked at this is they looked at all the blood tests and this is too esoteric for us

You better go to Atlanta

So I went to Atlanta

There they said it's best you go to some physician in New York

He's the best guy

You must go there because by now, almost seven weeks I've been running continuous temperature

I've been traveling

All over the world

So I went to New York and they said, you know, you must get admitted

We'll check

Then I got admitted by then

I can, you know, I'm having difficulty walking

I'm just really got like become weak

Then, and by then my lymph nodes have swollen up so badly excruciating pain

So they said they may have to do surgery and they have to do a biopsy first and see what is it

Is it malignant or whatever?

Then I'm in the hospital next day morning for the it's a general anesthesia

They have a pre check for anesthesia

So in that funny gown which is open on all sides, you know I'm wearing that holding like this and trying to walk holding onto the wall

I got into the elevator to go to another floor

In between, in one floor the lift stopped

A Chinese man got in, so the Doctor Who was with me, introduced

He's the one who is going to do the surgery

For you

Then the Chinese doctor felt the lymph nodes like this and said it's very deep

You must inform the family

Then I went for the test

For the anesthetic tests, then I said I'm going home

Doctor said no, sadhguru, this is very dangerous

You can't leave the

Hospital I said no, I'm going

I said I'll go

I don't want to go through this surgery, so I went back

A friend had an apartment in Manhattan area

I just closed my eyes and sat for four days

My temperature went down, the swelling went down

In 21 days I was in Kailash Trekt

You know my muscle mass had gone down

My legs had become like this

Always I've been walking, trekking, playing games

I've had some muscle not like you, but I have some muscle to keep me going, but my muscle must went down so much in these eight weeks I just shrank like that

With great difficulty, difficulty, I trekked there

I could barely speak

And I sat there for two hours

I took one strand of what is there on that mountain. You won't believe in 2 1/2 hours

I was almost 10 to 15 years younger

Than what I was at that moment

People around me will vouch for it

How suddenly I'm a different man?

After eight weeks of fever and all kinds of treatments, without knowing what it is

So that is the power of that mountain

It's not just to heal you of your health or something

It is tremendous amount of

Everything that one can know in the universe is stored there in some way

It is your ability to pull it out

@Joe Rogan

But you were you were covered in Manhattan, right?

Yes, what makes you think it's that mountain?

@Sadhguru

See, I closed my eyes and I did what I have to do with my system

Which gave me a rest bite

But still I was not fully there, still very weak and like that but I just

Bounce back in 2 1/2 hours time

@Joe Rogan

What is it?

But I don't

I don't understand what it has to do with that mountain

@Sadhguru

See, this is what it is

What you think is you is not just contained in the boundaries of this body

If you are willing to open up that boundary

The whole the whole existence is with you

@Joe Rogan

So you opened up your body after all those weeks and you don't think it has anything to do with the antibiotics you were taking or that you were finally

@Sadhguru

Antibiotics didn't give me a respite at all

@Joe Rogan

Getting some rest

But you never rest

Right?

@Sadhguru

I'm very restful, even if I'm traveling and

@Joe Rogan

But you were constantly working right

You were explaining all the different things you were doing and that you were constantly taxing yourself

@Sadhguru

Yeah, but

I do, but

It's awesome

No, I don't text myself

@Joe Rogan

But that was taxing

You were sweating through your clothes

@Sadhguru

Yes, that's because the fever

@Joe Rogan

You never rest

@Sadhguru

But but I'm saying this swelling, which they said without looking inside

They will do biopsy, and most probably they'll do surgery along with that

Which was excruciating pain

Just went down when

@Joe Rogan

But it went down after you rested, right?

@Sadhguru

Not rested, I sat with my eyes closed

I didn't sleep

@Joe Rogan

I sat but you didn't do anything for four days

@Sadhguru

If you wanted to explain

It This is why I

Said see I'm going into mumbo jumbo land

@Joe Rogan

No, no, I believe you

I'm not, I'm not

I'm not quite, I'm just trying to piece together why

@Sadhguru

So I'm saying when doctors, every every qualified doctor says saying that I'm in a state where you will have to inform the family because I'm

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

In life situations, life and death situation, you don't recover just because four days you sit there with eyes closed

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

You don't think so

@Sadhguru

No, not because of rest

@Joe Rogan

You think that there was something supernatural or something else?

What is?

@Sadhguru

I I never

@Joe Rogan

The term you would use

@Sadhguru

Used the word supernatural because everything is within the aspect of nature

@Joe Rogan

OK, what would you use?

@Sadhguru

So which aspect of nature are you in right now?

That is the thing, see

One aspect of your nature is survival

For example, for every human being because of survival, you treat to build boundaries around yourself, whether it's a national boundary or a individual boundary, your house boundary, or your personal boundaries

These all you know self preservation boundaries, right?

But there is also something within you which wants to expand, which doesn't lack boundaries

Why people suffer the prison like that is just the boundaries

Nothing else wrong, it's much bigger than your home, the prison

Actually, your kind of company

I'm saying if you are in that kind of life, it's your kind of company

Food is good, you're far fitter than most people on the outside

You don't have to do a job to get your food

It's actually very good, but lack of freedom kills a man totally

@Joe Rogan

I want to go back to the experiencing this

These different life forms that you experienced

@Sadhguru

Generally, yes

A lot of people who have been there have been talking about it, but a lot of talk is of that nature

See as I said, I'm a super skeptic

I don't believe anything that anybody says, nor do, nor do I disbelieve right

@Joe Rogan

You have to experience it

@Sadhguru

Somebody says something

Maybe it's true for them

I will respect that, but it's not that I have to believe it unless it happens to me

@Joe Rogan

Do you think that a certain state of mind or being is what?

Puts you in touch with these other life forms

@Sadhguru

No, let's see these two things you're saying in the same context, and that's how normally it's used in the society

People think a state of mind is everything

Right, see mind itself is a very limited process in the sense see right now

Generally in the western world you think mind means your intellect, thought process, right?

Your thought process cannot generate anything other than the data that you already possess

Can you think of something that's not at all there in your data?

Imagination, you're only your imagination is just an exaggeration of the data that you already

Have OK

If there is no data you cannot imagine

@Joe Rogan

So this thing that you experienced was beyond imagination

@Sadhguru

I'll come to that OK, I see right now when you say state of mind you're talking about

Whether you're equanimous or you're disturbed, or you're happy, unhappy, or you're, you're able to penetrate something you're not able to penetrate

Something in terms of intellect, but all these are dependent because it is like your computer

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

If you remove the data, it's just a blank screen

So if I remove all the memory that you have, you're just a blank screen, isn't it?

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

So right now your ideas of right and wrong, your ideas of your nationality, your ideas of your race, your ideas of your religion, your ideas of your family, your ideas of yourself is all in the memory bank

If we just

Take out that memory chip

Nothing, nothing

So your whole intellect is functioning from that

Because you can see

Because you cannot see the end of the universe

If you could see the end of the universe, you would say it's just me here nobody else because you cannot see because you're here

Maybe there are people there

This is an imagination, all right

Imagination is rooted in the data that you already have

You cannot imagine something new

You use 2 words together, state of mind and state of being

Being means this

See right now you have a body, but when you were born you were only this much

Now you became this much how the food that you've eaten, isn't it?

Now you have a mind when you were born, you were just poo poo poo poo like a little baby

Suddenly you become all this how?

Whole accumulation of impressions isn't it through five senses

What you have seen what you have heard, what you've smelled, what you've tasted, what you've touched from this, you've formed a whole lot of information with which you have a mind of your own

How rich that information is makes you look that smart in a given society

All right, if you're well informed

Just because you have a good data chip, people think you're smart, not necessarily

Essentially, smart means always in comparison to somebody else

So these days everybody

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@Sadhguru

Within the

Part of Coimbatore city, there was a prison central prison, so I said let me go and see who is inside. I want to work with them. About 28 years ago

And then I found it took me over two years to get inside

It's so difficult to get in

You need qualifications

You know I was not qualified

It took all kinds of permissions to get inside because this was a high security prison

Then once I got in, everybody said all the prison officers who knew me

They said Sadhguru, you're wasting your time here every Sunday

Christian priest come all these guys do his mischief on Hindu festivals

Hindu people come, they do more mischief and Muslims come more mischief

Other kinds of service organizations come more mischief is all you will get

You'll just waste your time here

Please don't do this

I said you just give Me 2 hours

So there were 12 wards in the QT prison, each with about 200 prisoners. So I took the long term prisoners one ward with 200 people

So when I went there, I said they wanted to put them in the C normally prism

In there they pushed them into one Holland

So sit down here

So the guru has come

I said no

Just I want to meet them on the ground outside

They are all sitting there like this

Yeah, OK, who's this guy was coming?

You know they have a certain

This is an anger and angst against the society which is locked him up

It's very difficult for people to understand what this is

I'm not, not once I've gone into prison and come out without tears in my eyes because

Everything seems normal

On the surface there is pain in the air

Just this is so important for a human being to be free you

Know yes

Just nothing else

Food is good, they get food better than probably their homes

Everything is controlled

They're all very fit, actually much more fitter than the outside people

But there is pain in the air

Just it's so painful so I went there and we played a game with them

They were just surprised that I'm playing a game with them

We played dodgeball

With the guys within about 10-15 minutes, they have forgot their. You know, prison like little children there screaming and yelling and playing like crazy

And then I told them see I want to stay here for 10 days and work with you. You won't believe 80% of them in two hours time. They're all crying. They said don't go you stay with us

And then we started the program. Since then, continuously last 27 years programs have been going on

Most of them are, you know, school dropouts

They're not really very literate and educated

But they wrote thousands of poems

One one guy who killed three people in the courtroom so he was in the courtroom

@Unknown

In the courtroom though

@Sadhguru

He killed three people

Some vengeance

Issue, you know?

So he's on the death row

See, prison is quite a normal society during the daytime

It's evening 6:00 o'clock

There they have to go inside and the doors are locked

Even if the medical emergency nobody can open those doors unless a magistrate gives permission

The local officer cannot open the gate even if the guy is dying inside

It cannot be opened no matter what happens

That's the law

So he wrote a poem which stuck in my mind

He said every day when the cell door closed, I thought this is my grave

But now I see it's become my Bodhi tree and the gate when the door closes, I close my eyes and I'm in a completely different space altogether

This is my freedom

And now after after about six years he was executed

And we also took local industry and promised them that you know when they come out, they'll be jobs for them

Those who can come out after a few years because in India life term is 20 years, not life life

And in 20 years, if there's good behavior 14 years, they'll get a remission

So many of them who have been there for murder in 14 years time they will come out so nobody gives them a job everywhere

Everybody looks at them suspiciously

So we set up their local businesses to include them into their factories and businesses so that they're not going to commit murder every day

It's just happened once in their lifetime

@Joe Rogan

So how?

How does yoga reform these people?

@Sadhguru

This is all it is to tell me if you're feeling very happy right now

Will you go and beat up?

That guy, Jamie

@Joe Rogan

Let me know even if I

@Sadhguru

Was mad, even if he's somebody that you don't like

@Joe Rogan

I love Jamie

@Sadhguru

No, it's not him anybody

@Joe Rogan

Oh anybody

@Sadhguru

When you're joyful, will you go and simply beat up that guy?

No something nasty happening within you

Anger your anger, frustration, something that's when you do ugly things, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Yeah well yeah sure

@Sadhguru

This is true for every human

So you you just label somebody as a criminal

What you need to understand is this is a deep rooted unhappiness or frustration or something that's built up because of social reasons or parental reasons or genetic reasons

There's so many, OK, not one aspect

Somewhere this life is unhappy

Frustrated, angry now it wants to do something unpleasant

If this life is feeling very pleasant, why will it do unpleasant things?

So this is all we have focused too much in this world

On trying to produce good human beings

Good human beings

Have caused terrible things

People who think they are good

They have done the worst possible things

@Joe Rogan

There's a lot of that

@Sadhguru

Thinking they are good

If we focus on creating joyful and sensible human beings

A whole lot of trouble will

Go away in the world

This is what yoga is about that you're pleasant within yourself when you are feeling pleasant, you do pleasant things naturally

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, so you create

This environment where people learn to be pleasant

Or you help them cultivate that pleasantness

@Sadhguru

It is not an environment, it is you understand

Human experience is coming from within me, see right now

Let's say we are working together and I'm oppressive, whatever and you think you're unhappy because of me

But if you realize, see my unhappiness is my doing

You will undo it, isn't it?

You think your unhappiness is because of me?

It goes on and on because

It's under my control now

The day you realize my unhappiness, the source of my unhappiness, unhappiness is me, not somebody else

And you take charge of that aspect there

Is there is a method to do that

Once you do that, you are happy

Once you are happy by your own nature then you will do what is most needed, because once you are very happy you have no pursuit of happiness

Your life is an expression of joy, not in pursuit of happiness

This is the shift that needs to happen in the world right now

People are in pursuit of happiness

If your life becomes an expression of your joy rather than being pursuit of happiness, you will Start Stop squeezing the world the way you're squeezing it

This soil, this environment, these problems everything is

In pursuit of human happiness and well being

@Joe Rogan

Do you think that the physical practice of yoga, meaning the exercise aspect of it, alleviates tension and allows people to relax enough to look at their life in a different way?

@Sadhguru

If they do it properly, yes

When they, when I say properly

Some people are trying to do it like anaerobic exercise

No, we teach what is called as classical yoga

You don't have to do all these very difficult postures and all that

Most yogis master only one posture

People don't know this in this country, only one

@Joe Rogan

One posture like what posture?

@Sadhguru

Sure, anything they will choose one posture and they will just master that

So actually in the you know the traditionally what yoga says is if you master one posture, that means generally

2 hours, 40 minutes

If you can sit one way without any sense of discomfort, irritation, agitation, nothing in your system, this is your posture

You just master that one posture, then the rest of the yoga is internal

Physical body is only that much

@Joe Rogan

So most yogis just have one thing that they do and they can do it for hours

@Sadhguru

Yes, if they can

If you can sit here, see what it means is your body is not in the vein

Your body, yeah see right now

@Joe Rogan

Is not in

The way that it's still there pudding

@Sadhguru

You want to be happy, but your thought is in the way your emotion is in the way your body is in the way

So once you put the body away, you must understand

In yoga there is no such thing as mind

There is physical body

There is mental body

If your body is not in the way, suddenly you discover that even your mind is not in the way

@Joe Rogan

How do you think they figured this out?

This is getting back to this you

@Unknown

OK

@Joe Rogan

Kind of went around that, but

@Sadhguru

This this happened over 15,000 years ago. The first Yogi he's referred to as the Adiyogi today. To honor him we have set up 112 feet

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

Tall bust of Adi Yogi

In India, you must look him

@Joe Rogan

112 feet tall bust what part of India?

@Sadhguru

You can look him up

Audio guy

In southern India, Enquanto in Tamil Nadu. So this is 112 feet because he gave 112 methods

As to how?

So this is what to say this is

@Joe Rogan

1000 years ago I figured

@Sadhguru

This out over 15,000 years ago

Bear saying this over 15,000 years ago because of they talked about certain celestial happenings. Those happenings have been confirmed today as well over 15,000 years ago and we have iconographic proof of something like 12,400 years. Yeah, that's odd

112 feet tall

@Unknown

Great hair

@Joe Rogan

That's a crazy statue, yeah?

@Sadhguru

This design this is this was designed by me and built by all volunteers inside the center, yeah

@Joe Rogan

How old is that statue?

@Unknown

Really so is that, uh?

@Joe Rogan

Where was building?

So can you go inside of?

@Sadhguru

This is just

That you can go inside, but there's no building inside because it's metal

It gets very hot inside

@Joe Rogan

Wow, that's

@Sadhguru

Beautiful. The idea was when I designed this it took Me 2 1/2 years to design this face

You're not seeing the face very clearly

Let's see if we can get a picture where the

Face is clear

It's very yeah maybe yeah

So I wanted intoxication, stillness and exuberance on one face. So it took Me 2 1/2 years

To design this

Face, what do you think it has these qualities?

@Unknown

I think this

@Joe Rogan

I think you nailed it

How was this constructed?

This is all metal

@Sadhguru

It's all metal

@Joe Rogan

How did how was?

@Sadhguru

It made so we made this. It took us some 680 tons of steel

Now we are doing another one near Bangalore, the same one. But now we are doing it with almost 170 tons less because now we figured out the design much better

@Joe Rogan

Wow, wow

That's incredible though

I mean, it really is gorgeous, and that's all

Is it welded together?

Like how is it?

@Sadhguru

Yeah, see

We say you can see some patchwork here

You're not seeing it, but actually the metal pieces are all about this much size

We could have removed that we could have, we know, braced that and removed that, but when I looked at it, the roughness of it looked better than a smooth face, so I just left it as it is

So there are

Patches so you can

@Joe Rogan

And the construction method when you're saying it

@Sadhguru

See, you can see the construction material

Not really that visible, but you can see for an observer you can see that which gives a kind of roughness

To the statue

Not very smooth

@Joe Rogan

So this Yogi, the device is 112

@Sadhguru

So when he came, he appeared somewhere in Himalayas and

People saw that he was dancing wildly in ecstatic states, completely oblivious to everything around him

Or he sat still

For days on end weeks on end he just sat, still unmoving

So initially a lot of thousands of people gathered some miracle is happening, but slowly because he didn't perform any miracles, no fireworks happened, people got bored and they left

Only seven disciples hung on because they saw the greatest miracle

He's the man is not getting up for food, water, toilet, nothing

That means he's beyond the physical nature

He just sat there for months on end

Sometimes the only sign of his aliveness was tears of ecstasy were dribbled dribbling down his cheeks

That was the only sign of life

Otherwise he looked like he's dead

So when he came to his some moments when he came to his consciousness, they pleaded they wanted to learn

What is it that is happening to you?

So he tried to be dismissive

He didn't want to be in touch with them, but when they hung on, when they persisted then he put them on a preparatory kind of work

They went through the preparatory work and then he started expounding for many years

What is the science of how human mechanism is made?

And you won't believe this?

100 and 150 years ago, Charles Darwin talked about evolutionary process

Over 15,000 years ago he spoke something which is parallel to Darwin's theory of evolution. Even today every Indian knows about Indian person knows about this. There are 10 authors

Avatar means not the movie that you saw

Avatar means a manifestation

So 10 hours, our first avatar is called Match Avatar, which means the life was in the form of fish or it was water

It was in the

Water, the second one is

Gourmet author, which means it's a turtle that means it became an amphibious life

The third one is a wild war

It's called where hotter it you know other small things happen, but the mammals came, then the next one is called narashima who is half man half animal

Next one is a doffed man, woman author

The next one is a full grown man, but Awala tile man. He's so angry and so crazy over fighting man that always he went about chopping off people to he got so angry and he lopped off his own mother's head

So the next one is a peaceful man, is, uh, Rama, author

He's a peaceful gentleman

The next one is a loving man

Krishna avatar, the next one is a Buddha avatar who's a meditative man

The next one the 10th one is supposed to be the mystical man

These are not individual people to be seen these. This is the evolution of life on the planet. If you look at Darwin's theory of evolution somewhere, it runs parallel to this from waterborne life to amphibious life too

This way half man half animal dwarfed man like this it is grown so he talked about this and he said see if you want to evolve further

Then something in relationship to the Earth and the sun must change

Otherwise, physiologically, you're not going to evolve further, but you have a consciousness with which you can transform yourself absolutely and become completely different from what you are right now

Right now, you're available to all the forces of nature

Right now, in many ways you are enslaved to what's happening around you

You can rise above this and evolve consciously

But physiological evolution has come to a standstill because planetary movement and who you are right now, the the planet and the solar system is functioning like a Potter's wheel. To make this happen

This life, like a Potter's wheel, you know

@Unknown

Like what?

@Sadhguru

Potter's wheel, Potter's

@Joe Rogan

Wheel yeah

@Sadhguru

It's functioning like that

It's got new to this place, so people ask can we can we develop more intelligence?

Can we become bigger than this?

He says no

Physiologically, your evolution has come to a place, unless there is some serious change in the relationship between the planet and the

Son, that will not happen, but consciously you can evolve. So then he propounds 112 ways as to how you can do it. 112 distinct ways, how you can do it

So that is how yoga started

@Joe Rogan

Who do you think this person was?

@Sadhguru

These are the Yogi

If they called him because he never introduced himself, they called him Yogi because he was the first one

They called him adiyogi

Adiyogi means the first Yogi

And he is also referred to as Shiva

Shiva means one who is not

That which is not in the sense see today. Modern science is speaking in these terms in an atom. For example, over 99% of it is empty space

That is proton, neutron, electron. All that covers less than one percent, 99% is empty space, so it is in the cosmos

99% is empty space. See right now you look at this ceiling and you think it's full of star like lights, but actually there's more empty space than lights, isn't it? But because our visual apparatus are in a certain

Certain way, designed in a certain way, it gives more prominence to light because that's what we see more clearly

So he said everything is like this

So if you transcend your physical nature, you become a Shiva

That means you are nothing, but nothing is the most powerful dimension of the existence because it is in the lap of the nothingness

Everything is happening

What you call as everything is just 1%

@Joe Rogan

Do you think this was a real person of a real individual, or do you think it's representative of the the learning of yoga and the best way to establish it to express it was to make it a person?

@Sadhguru

It's a real person because the places where he came, what he spoke, everything is recorded in history, largely by lore

Today people are trying to write it down in books because in India we don't believe in scholarship

We believe in experience in our experience, so it's always transmitted as a oral tradition for a long time

These days people are writing down in many ways

It was a real person because

@Joe Rogan

The credit for spectacular human being

If they could do all the things

@Sadhguru

Absolutely see when he came down South in southern India at that time, people were way shorter than the northern people

So they say he was twice the height of an average South Indian woman

So they say he must have been because an average South Indian woman tribal woman were like four or four and a half feet

So he must have been seven or eight feet tall that people said he was twice that, and they say when he stood next to your horse, he was as tall as the horses ears

@Joe Rogan

But do you think these are exaggerations, do you think?

@Sadhguru

Oh, exaggerations could be there

@Joe Rogan

What do you think this is?

@Sadhguru

But because his physical size doesn't mean anything for his yoga, right?

@Joe Rogan

But why?

@Sadhguru

So there is no point exaggerating that aspect

I'm saying right?

So if he was a warrior, somebody may exaggerate him, but for a Yogi, what is the point making him a big?

Guy, physically it's a

@Joe Rogan

To make him divine so so physically unique

@Sadhguru

No, that that is the whole thing, see

In India?

The Indian culture

If you are on the spiritual path, we call you a seeker

If you ascribe to religion, we call you a believer

Alright, belief means something that you do not know because an authority speaks you believe that it could be your father who says that this is the truth and you believe in me as a child

Then it may be a priest, then it may be somebody bigger

Or it may be in a book you believe it because it comes from an authority, but the nature of that culture

The eastern culture sees

There is no authority for us

Truth is the only authority

Authority is never the truth, so that is the essence of Eastern mysticism and eastern spirituality

That it is

You're always a seeker, never a believer

@Joe Rogan

So you think that yoga just emanated from this one incredibly unique human being that was larger than everybody else?

That had supernatural abilities that existed 15,000 years ago

@Sadhguru

See now you're making a superhuman being out of somebody

@Joe Rogan

But making an 8 foot tall person who can go for days on end without drinking water?

@Sadhguru

No, you see there have been so there have been people like that

Alright, in every culture there have been physically large people, but physical physical size

@Joe Rogan

Yeah, there have been people that

@Sadhguru

Has nothing to do with these capabilities because the abilities

@Joe Rogan

Right, but the capabilities are super physical too, aren't they?

@Sadhguru

See, this is what it's about

Yoga is not about being superhuman

Yoga is about realizing being human is super

That's what is important, so that's the whole thing that he's saying

How being human is so super

If you explore your humanity to its fullest, you will become so fantastic

Being a human being itself is a fantastic feat

You don't have to act like a super human being

He did not perform any miracles

He did not do anything

He just taught them how to be beyond the limitations of 1's physical and psychological structures. That's all

@Joe Rogan

Do you think if this person didn't exist that yoga still would have been invented without him?

@Sadhguru

Of course, somebody else would have

After that many, many yogis have come, but he is the maybe even before there were people

But they did not speak or they did not gather disciples who would take

So he sent his seven disciples in seven different directions

One was sent to southern India, who is today

We hold him as the father of Southern mysticism

He's August amone

Who came down South and he did maximum amount of work there

Every human habitation he touched at that time and brought

Spiritual process as a living practice, not as a separate practice, just the way you say it, that just the way you do things, just the way you address each other

Was made into a spiritual process

See right now in India

If people go to the temple and whatever their favorite deity

If they worship, they will stand like this

If anybody comes also, they'll stand like this

If a dog comes also, they'll do this

If they see a rock also, they'll do this

They see a tree

Also, they'll do this

@Joe Rogan

For the people just listening, you're holding your hands together in prayer

@Sadhguru

It is not in prayer

@Joe Rogan

Well, this way whatever you're doing with your hand

@Sadhguru

This is done to everybody

Alright, so because spiritual process is not alien to the life that you live, the way you live has to become spiritual

It's not that you have a spiritual practice and you

Have a separate life

It is the same thing you you integrate it into your life

So he did that

Another one stayed with him, another one came to the northern part of India

Another one went to Central Asia

There are, you know there are certain footprints office another when went to North Africa, another went to South Asia, another when another one came to

South America

Wherever these yogis went, suddenly those cultures where they went saw a sudden upsurge in the knowledge of geometry

Wherever you see extraordinary sense of geometry which is not in line with the tribal existence that they had, that means a Yogi

Same that

@Joe Rogan

Sense of geometry

Meaning like the structures that they built architecture

@Sadhguru

Yes, structures that they build artifacts

They created the way they arranged things around themselves

Suddenly they had a different sense of geometry because yoga is essentially a cosmic geometry

@Joe Rogan

Cosmic geometry

@Sadhguru

In to align yourself in line with the cosmos so that it reverberates as the same

@Joe Rogan

Which brings us to UFO's

@Sadhguru

There is some substance and a lot of imagination with this UFO business

We are always thinking life, you know, like all this I'm I'm saying this not with any

There are many people who could have experienced something who could have seen something

I'm saying generally the popular imagination of a UFO or craft will come on land somebody will

Come out of it

So you're thinking like this because that's how human beings operate alright

That we will go land somewhere

Then the door opens

We come out

How do you know that?

Is how they also do it?

That's not how it is

I have living experience with certain extraterrestrial lifeforms

You do

There are a whole lot of videos which I've spoken about

I have a reputation of being very logically correct now

I don't want to lose it by talking about it to everybody, but in exclusive groups have spoken in detail

I've made other people experience these things very profound experiences of life

Which is not of this planet, but it's not like a craft will land

They'll open the door, they'll come out

This is all your own thing

You parked the car, you opened the door, you locked the door

You came out

This is your thinking, alright

It is not necessary

Other life should operate the way we operate

It is nothing like where we are

It's something totally different

So people have seen things here and there

Some of it could be mistake

Some of it could be exaggeration

Some of it could be just total lies, but definitely some people have seen something some people have experienced something

There is no denying everybody will not be lying

There is no denying it is there

But we are thinking just the way we are

They will also be all we can think is a little bigger ears, little bigger eyes, maybe three eyes instead of two

This is just exaggeration of what we already know

Leave the imaginations aside

Is there life beyond us?

It would be very pompous to believe that in such a vast core cosmos, we are the only evolved life on the planet in the universe is itself a very pompous belief system

Definitely there is more life and

You know it is

It is done

We have done things with it in the past

@Joe Rogan

We've done things with

@Sadhguru

It yes, we've done some experiments with such life

We have made people experience this very strongly

@Joe Rogan

When you say, wait who do?

You mean we as a group?

@Sadhguru

We have done certain things you yes

@Joe Rogan

So how?

@Sadhguru

I don't go into

It why not?

I have a reputation of being very logically correct

@Joe Rogan

Well, if you're logically correct about extraterrestrials, wouldn't that be beneficial to people?

That are hearing this

@Sadhguru

No, there are

See, our logic is related to our

Existence the way we are made

Yes, the way the existence is made doesn't fit into our logic

This is the biggest mistake that modern societies are making

You are trying to fit the existence into your logic

No, your logic has place in the existence

Existence cannot be

You can't fit it into your logic

Because your logic functions between binaries of two

You and me have to be there for logic

The whole spiritual experience itself is not logically correct because the experience of life is beyond two

There are no binaries in spiritual process

When I use the word spiritual, I'm not using the word spiritual the way religions are using

They're talking about a spirit

Which goes and comes and whatever not in that sense, if you experience your life

Beyond your physiological and psychological construct

Then your spiritual

@Joe Rogan

So you mentioned it, which is already the most difficult thing to do now to talk about it

You feel like would somehow or another discredit you

I don't understand that because just because

@Sadhguru

I have to be logically correct, otherwise you cannot speak pleasant

@Joe Rogan

But how are you experiencing this?

Thing can you?

Just tell me how you're experiencing these things

@Sadhguru

See in certain spaces

Uh, there are very strong presence, which is when you feel the texture of that life

You know it is not like anything that we know here

Obviously it doesn't belong here it is

It has a different source than the life that we are

When I say the life that we are

See, this is the yogic sciences

This will confuse people if we go that far because people are thinking

Yoga is far backache

Yoga is for health

You guys for

Slimming down, we've like this, yeah

@Joe Rogan

Very established, that's not the case

@Sadhguru

So yoga means you know the texture of life

That is one thing I'm talking about

The texture of this life

If you know the texture of

This life

OK, so people ask me how do you know all this?

I don't know anything

There's only one thing I know

I know the nature of this piece of life from its origin to its ultimate because every other life is in some way built the same way

People think I know every other life

No, I know only this life

But fortunately every other life from a single microbe to a human being, to every other creature

In some ways, a reflection of this life because it's all connected

Even the evolutionary sciences are saying the same thing

Even the religions are saying the same thing, all right

In that sense, I know the texture of this life and that life and every other life here, but there are some lives which don't have the texture which are totally different

@Joe Rogan

And how are you experiencing these lives?

@Sadhguru

You want me to say something ridiculous?

@Joe Rogan

No, I don't think it's ridiculous at all, no no

@Sadhguru

No, if I say something which is illogical, it will seem ridiculous, right?

@Joe Rogan

I don't think it's illogical

@Sadhguru

It will be logical because it will not fit into the framework of human logic

@Joe Rogan

While the framework of human logic is based on our own experience and interpretation of the life that we lived, it doesn't mean that other people haven't experienced or interpreted something that is beyond our comprehension

Because we haven't experienced it personally

I think that's logical

@Sadhguru

We we have done experiments where

We attracted certain

Certain life which is not which doesn't have any texture of earthly life

@Joe Rogan

And how do you conduct these experiments?

@Sadhguru

We I used certain people to

Invite them into their bodies and what happened there is totally

Unbelievable for people because I'll tell you a simple thing. I invited a certain life into one person's body

I kept the weather was already like nearly zero

Kind of subzero kind of atmosphere

It was in Tibet

And I kept a bowl of water about 3 inches above the head

And when this life entered and I tried to hold it within that body, you won't believe this bowl which is 3 inches

The person is lying down on the ground on wet soil

You know they just put a bed sheet and this person is lying down

This bowl is about 3 inches above the head on the ground

The water started boiling

There are over 200 people watching the water boiling, all right

Because it created so much heat, then I let it go because it could burn up the person you know, choose out that person in some ways because the moment it felt trapped it created such heat

The water is actually boiling 3 inches away

@Joe Rogan

Did you film this?

@Sadhguru

From the bottom

From a distance they've filmed it bad filming

You know they were not really looking for it, but it is there

@Joe Rogan

And how many times has this happened?

@Sadhguru

We did this about two times

We did it properly

Another time we did a mild 1

After that I thought I will go spend time there, which has never happened

And above all

It doesn't serve any purpose like that

You know it doesn't

@Joe Rogan

Serve a purpose to experiment

@Sadhguru

It doesn't say it is

It is more to

No, not

It doesn't serve a purpose as to how you can use because it could be

I I have to admit I was stepping into a area where I don't know damn thing

OK, so you could make a mistake and take somebody's life or your own life or something like that

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

So whatever these life forms are that you're experiencing, they they're only you can only experience them through another person's body

@Sadhguru

No no no

Not like that only because I experienced

I wanted to demonstrate it to the people who were

@Joe Rogan

Watching and how did you know that it was a thing?

Like how did you know that you could experience it that way and it exhibit it?

Put it on display for the

People that are watching

@Sadhguru

See your whole perception right now

For most human being is limited to five senses

Seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, this is how you know

The world

If something has no smell, no taste, no touch

You won't know

@Joe Rogan

But there could be an infinite number of senses that we're not aware of that we don't possess

@Sadhguru

Oh yes, yes

So these things are faced in many places, but there are certain places where there is a

Unreasonable level of concentration

So one place is this Kailash Mansarovar region in Tibet

In last two years we've been not being able to go because the Chinese have closed this because of this corona virus or whatever

Probably next year it'll open up

Last year we went

We viewed Colossian Manasarovar from 8 to 10 kilometres away at the Nepali border we went there and

Even from a distance, what it does to people is unbelievable

@Joe Rogan

So it's just one concentrated hotspot

Yeah of activity

@Sadhguru

Yes, and that too, it's like clockwork exactly 2:30 in the morning it starts

Boom activity like that for about 1 1/2 hours. One hour 40 minutes like that. After that it just goes down

It's almost like a busy airport boom, boom boom, boom things are happening but not like crafts or anything, just bunches of lives just up and down

Things happening for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours Max

@Joe Rogan

Do you think there are extraterrestrial?

Do you think they're interdimensional?

Do you think?

They're spirits

@Sadhguru

They're not spirits, no, no

Anything that's related to the planet

We will just know immediately

It's not a

@Joe Rogan

Something that's from somewhere else

@Sadhguru

It is definitely from somewhere else

And you know, like

These are crazy things, man, why do you want me to speak about this?

@Joe Rogan

So I don't think that that crazy

I think they're only crazy because we haven't experienced them

If you tried to explain

Many of the things that we take for granted because they're normal

To someone who's never experienced in them, like if you tried to experience fire to someone who had never experienced fire, it would be the craziest idea that you could run across them that there's a thing that's not alive

But it consumes things and it could kill all life on this planet

But it could also serve a purpose

To heat your home and cook your food

@Sadhguru

This is what I'm saying

In in yoga there are three types of fires within you

It is jitter Agni chit Agni boutigny jitter

Agni means the fire of stomach and the reproductive aspect

These two fires, which keep your survival going

Chit Agni is the fire of your intelligence which propels a human being to do so many things

Boutigny is the fire of five elements of Earth

Earth, water, air, fire and space

These five elements, which is the composite of what everything physical is

So these three fires

Only if you keep them in control right now you know, for example, we're talking about the soil

These whole civilizations have been built because of our gastronomic fire

And our intellectual fire

The same gastronomic fire, if it's unquenched it can burn the world down

Right now UN agencies

Are predicting that by 2035 there will be dozens of civil wars across the world

Because food shortages will cause that

Because this fire is not met means people will set fire to

Each other

@Joe Rogan

How did you know that these entities or whatever these things are that you experienced existed?

@Sadhguru

So I was talking about 5 senses

See for your sense organs to experience anything you need a contrast

Only because there is light you know darkness

If it's all dark, you wouldn't know what his darkness what is like

Only because there is night you know what's your day only because there is a woman

You know what's a man?

Everything is by polarities

If there are no polarities, your eyes, your ears, your anything

Your five senses cannot function

So it is based on the information that these five senses has given you that your whole logical intellect has developed

Without this information

This will not do anything, it's only from the data that you got by seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, and touching, your intellect is functioning in a certain way, so right now you can see this part of my hand, but you can't see this part

If you see this spot, you can't see this spot

This is the nature of your

Vision, isn't it?

Now, if you hear that sound at that moment, you don't hear the silence

So everything is like this

You see only a part of it through sense perception

Because of this, your logic is all in pieces

So with logically if you arrive at

Any conclusion it is like I gave you a million piece jigsaw

You found five pieces

You put them together and say, oh, this is a bear

This is a bear, no, you're in Texas, this is

A horse you said?

Because with five pieces you arrived at some conclusion

This is what intellect means

This is why, in yogic sciences we don't attach any significance to what you think and feel, because out of a million piece jigsaw you found a few pieces and you're making your conclusions

It's not of any relevance for one who wants to know it may be of relevance who one wants to survive

It may be of relevance for one who wants to win a race with somebody else

OK, your heart you figured out the horse better than somebody else

You win the race, but it's not of any relevance for someone who wants to know for a seeker

It's of no relevance

So how to go beyond sense perception?

How to know life beyond sense perception is the entire aspect of yoga, because as long as sense perception is on you and me distinctly separate

No way that is you

This is me

Only if you go beyond sense perception

We were doing this beyond your sensory limitations

If you go something that not you becomes you

Right now with food it's happening

Something, see when it's on your plate

You call this my food when you eat it, you say it's me, isn't it?

Something that's not you became you

So this is yoga that you understand

The sense perception is dividing the world and this division is needed for your survival process

But this division is no use for you to know life

The way it is

So the yogic sciences are focused on how to transcend the sensory perception, how to suspend your senses and simply perceive life without the division

If you do that, everything that is here will be in some way known to you, and there is so much here that people don't see

If you talk about it, you look like a mumbo jumbo so you know which doctor, so you don't talk about these things

@Joe Rogan

But how did you know that it was going to be in that area?

@Sadhguru

It's not that I knew it's in that area

I had heard stories about that place, but

I thought I'll just go there one time just to see because it's a magnificent place by any standard

It's a beautiful, beautiful place

So it's a little over the lake is around 4400 feet above mean sea level. The Kolosh peak is almost 19,000 feet

So once I went and the magnificent nature of that see the mountain is a place, this is

A yogic tradition that when a Yogi gets to know certain things

He knows he cannot share it

His experience he cannot share it because nobody will understand it

Because it cannot be understood, it can only be experienced

So what he will do is he will store it in an energy form in a place where there is not too much for human footprint at the same time, it's not completely inaccessible

There are many places like this in India

There are places like that in other parts of

The world also

One fantastic place that you must visit is in United States is math opiela

@Unknown

Where's that?

@Sadhguru

The number is in Wyoming, Wyoming

Near what Rapid City?

You they they call it the devil's tower you heard of that in many Western movies?

@Joe Rogan

The devil

Towers that from close encounters of the third kind is that

@Sadhguru

In I don't know about that movie, but in many Western movies it's always there

It just ends, yeah

@Joe Rogan

That's close encounters of the third time

@Sadhguru

This is called Marty Pella

@Joe Rogan

And in that Steven Spielberg movie

That's a very significant place

'cause that's where the aliens land

@Sadhguru

Oh, is that so

So this is a powerful, powerful space in America

This is 1 space I found, which is naturally tremendous, and see this is Kailash

It's a, it is something else, it's

It is the greatest mystical library on the planet, yes

@Joe Rogan

Place collage

What do you think is going on there?

Uh, what do you think is going?

On there, why is it all concentrated?

@Sadhguru

It is the one thing is Adiyogi himself was there

He lived there so he stored all that he knows there and many other yogis

Later on, many Buddhist teachers like Padma Shamba and Manjushri

All these people and even the Jain monks

They all went and stored their energies there because

The knowledge that they know they don't want it

To be

Lost it can't be transmitted to people because you will not find a suitable people to do that

So you place it somewhere where in future somebody who has the capability will access this

I'll tell you one experience

I'm going into the mumbo jumbo world

Why man, I came

For the same mumbo jumbo

@Joe Rogan

It's not mumbled

@Sadhguru

I came for safe soil

You getting me somewhere else

@Joe Rogan

We're doing both

I don't think it's mumbo jumbo

@Sadhguru

See, this happened

I was, uh, this is what just thinking the years I'm not good with years

Must be 1010 eleven years ago, maybe 2008 or

Even before that, I'm sorry 2000

Three or four

I started running temperature

I was in India no

First I was in California

I was in Los Angeles

I started running temperature

And I come to speak in the Thai group

You know, there is an Indian group entrepreneurs group

And I spoke there and

The President of the Thai Group invited me to their home again to speak again to another exclusive group

I speaking there, I'm running running very high temperature and I'm

You know my clothes are all wet with sweat

So one man raised his hand

I thought he wants to ask a question

I said fine

He said you need to go to the emergency room right now

I said yes, I know, but I'll finish this doc and go

Then I finished that talk and then I went to the hospital like I was running very high temperature so they gave me this that and they said this is some kind of typhoid

So I met one wonderful Doctor Who was a Tropical Medicine expert

He said this is some strange kind of typhoid, so he gave me a whole lot of antibiotics

This that I took that and then I went to UK where I had a four day residential program

All the four days I was running very high temperature, but I finished that program in this 40 years

I've never cancelled one program because I was not well

I've never done that, so I went back to India. I had a television shoot I had to shoot 52 weeks of material in about four to five days

So from whole day I'm shooting and

If I sit down for 30-40 minutes of shoot, I'm like my whole floor. All my clothes are wet with sweat. I have to change my clothes because I'm sweating so much

And then after shooting the whole day on the second or third day, I came home and I was like feeling like my brains are getting fried up so hot that I

The thermometer and put it

It said one out seven

I thought old man, I'm killing myself right now

So with my entire my clothes, everything I went and should have stood

Under the cold shower

Then I called the doctor and said, you know it was reading one or seven

I stood under the cold shower

So this is the smartest thing you've done in

Your entire life

If you had been in that for another few minutes, you would have a stroke or you would have something for sure

Then they said it's some kind of what malaria?

And they gave me malarial medicine. I had typhoid medicine. Then I got malaria medicine. Then they said three different types of malaria's that diagnosed in one month time and they changed the medication. Change the medication

And then I went to Australia

I was running temperature

I was in Singapore

I was running temperature

I came to India for two days

I was running temperature

Then I came back to United States

So it was my daughter's vacation, so I told her I'll take her to some lake house. Somebody had a friend of ours, so I said I'll take her on a lake

So I have a port, you know, Ivy port running by now I have antibiotic every day running about 3:00 or 4 hours a day with Ivy port on

I'm riding a boat and taking her around and everything going on wow

By then I have done

About 18 blood tests

And about four MRI's all kinds of bizarre things. They're saying and changing the prescription and giving me this medication that medication

Temperature didn't go down, it just went on and on

Then I was in North Carolina on this lake house around 2:00 AM

I knew that I was just kind of collapsing

Gonna kind of we're not dropping off then I I I called out and they called for an ambulance

It came and they took me to a local hospital in Cashiers, in north

In Carolina and these doctors looked at this is they looked at all the blood tests and this is too esoteric for us

You better go to Atlanta

So I went to Atlanta

There they said it's best you go to some physician in New York

He's the best guy

You must go there because by now, almost seven weeks I've been running continuous temperature

I've been traveling

All over the world

So I went to New York and they said, you know, you must get admitted

We'll check

Then I got admitted by then

I can, you know, I'm having difficulty walking

I'm just really got like become weak

Then, and by then my lymph nodes have swollen up so badly excruciating pain

So they said they may have to do surgery and they have to do a biopsy first and see what is it

Is it malignant or whatever?

Then I'm in the hospital next day morning for the it's a general anesthesia

They have a pre check for anesthesia

So in that funny gown which is open on all sides, you know I'm wearing that holding like this and trying to walk holding onto the wall

I got into the elevator to go to another floor

In between, in one floor the lift stopped

A Chinese man got in, so the Doctor Who was with me, introduced

He's the one who is going to do the surgery

For you

Then the Chinese doctor felt the lymph nodes like this and said it's very deep

You must inform the family

Then I went for the test

For the anesthetic tests, then I said I'm going home

Doctor said no, sadhguru, this is very dangerous

You can't leave the

Hospital I said no, I'm going

I said I'll go

I don't want to go through this surgery, so I went back

A friend had an apartment in Manhattan area

I just closed my eyes and sat for four days

My temperature went down, the swelling went down

In 21 days I was in Kailash Trekt

You know my muscle mass had gone down

My legs had become like this

Always I've been walking, trekking, playing games

I've had some muscle not like you, but I have some muscle to keep me going, but my muscle must went down so much in these eight weeks I just shrank like that

With great difficulty, difficulty, I trekked there

I could barely speak

And I sat there for two hours

I took one strand of what is there on that mountain. You won't believe in 2 1/2 hours

I was almost 10 to 15 years younger

Than what I was at that moment

People around me will vouch for it

How suddenly I'm a different man?

After eight weeks of fever and all kinds of treatments, without knowing what it is

So that is the power of that mountain

It's not just to heal you of your health or something

It is tremendous amount of

Everything that one can know in the universe is stored there in some way

It is your ability to pull it out

@Joe Rogan

But you were you were covered in Manhattan, right?

Yes, what makes you think it's that mountain?

@Sadhguru

See, I closed my eyes and I did what I have to do with my system

Which gave me a rest bite

But still I was not fully there, still very weak and like that but I just

Bounce back in 2 1/2 hours time

@Joe Rogan

What is it?

But I don't

I don't understand what it has to do with that mountain

@Sadhguru

See, this is what it is

What you think is you is not just contained in the boundaries of this body

If you are willing to open up that boundary

The whole the whole existence is with you

@Joe Rogan

So you opened up your body after all those weeks and you don't think it has anything to do with the antibiotics you were taking or that you were finally

@Sadhguru

Antibiotics didn't give me a respite at all

@Joe Rogan

Getting some rest

But you never rest

Right?

@Sadhguru

I'm very restful, even if I'm traveling and

@Joe Rogan

But you were constantly working right

You were explaining all the different things you were doing and that you were constantly taxing yourself

@Sadhguru

Yeah, but

I do, but

It's awesome

No, I don't text myself

@Joe Rogan

But that was taxing

You were sweating through your clothes

@Sadhguru

Yes, that's because the fever

@Joe Rogan

You never rest

@Sadhguru

But but I'm saying this swelling, which they said without looking inside

They will do biopsy, and most probably they'll do surgery along with that

Which was excruciating pain

Just went down when

@Joe Rogan

But it went down after you rested, right?

@Sadhguru

Not rested, I sat with my eyes closed

I didn't sleep

@Joe Rogan

I sat but you didn't do anything for four days

@Sadhguru

If you wanted to explain

It This is why I

Said see I'm going into mumbo jumbo land

@Joe Rogan

No, no, I believe you

I'm not, I'm not

I'm not quite, I'm just trying to piece together why

@Sadhguru

So I'm saying when doctors, every every qualified doctor says saying that I'm in a state where you will have to inform the family because I'm

@Joe Rogan

Right?

@Sadhguru

In life situations, life and death situation, you don't recover just because four days you sit there with eyes closed

@Unknown

Right?

@Joe Rogan

You don't think so

@Sadhguru

No, not because of rest

@Joe Rogan

You think that there was something supernatural or something else?

What is?

@Sadhguru

I I never

@Joe Rogan

The term you would use

@Sadhguru

Used the word supernatural because everything is within the aspect of nature

@Joe Rogan

OK, what would you use?

@Sadhguru

So which aspect of nature are you in right now?

That is the thing, see

One aspect of your nature is survival

For example, for every human being because of survival, you treat to build boundaries around yourself, whether it's a national boundary or a individual boundary, your house boundary, or your personal boundaries

These all you know self preservation boundaries, right?

But there is also something within you which wants to expand, which doesn't lack boundaries

Why people suffer the prison like that is just the boundaries

Nothing else wrong, it's much bigger than your home, the prison

Actually, your kind of company

I'm saying if you are in that kind of life, it's your kind of company

Food is good, you're far fitter than most people on the outside

You don't have to do a job to get your food

It's actually very good, but lack of freedom kills a man totally

@Joe Rogan

I want to go back to the experiencing this

These different life forms that you experienced

@Sadhguru

Generally, yes

A lot of people who have been there have been talking about it, but a lot of talk is of that nature

See as I said, I'm a super skeptic

I don't believe anything that anybody says, nor do, nor do I disbelieve right

@Joe Rogan

You have to experience it

@Sadhguru

Somebody says something

Maybe it's true for them

I will respect that, but it's not that I have to believe it unless it happens to me

@Joe Rogan

Do you think that a certain state of mind or being is what?

Puts you in touch with these other life forms

@Sadhguru

No, let's see these two things you're saying in the same context, and that's how normally it's used in the society

People think a state of mind is everything

Right, see mind itself is a very limited process in the sense see right now

Generally in the western world you think mind means your intellect, thought process, right?

Your thought process cannot generate anything other than the data that you already possess

Can you think of something that's not at all there in your data?

Imagination, you're only your imagination is just an exaggeration of the data that you already

Have OK

If there is no data you cannot imagine

@Joe Rogan

So this thing that you experienced was beyond imagination

@Sadhguru

I'll come to that OK, I see right now when you say state of mind you're talking about

Whether you're equanimous or you're disturbed, or you're happy, unhappy, or you're, you're able to penetrate something you're not able to penetrate

Something in terms of intellect, but all these are dependent because it is like your computer

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

If you remove the data, it's just a blank screen

So if I remove all the memory that you have, you're just a blank screen, isn't it?

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

So right now your ideas of right and wrong, your ideas of your nationality, your ideas of your race, your ideas of your religion, your ideas of your family, your ideas of yourself is all in the memory bank

If we just

Take out that memory chip

Nothing, nothing

So your whole intellect is functioning from that

Because you can see

Because you cannot see the end of the universe

If you could see the end of the universe, you would say it's just me here nobody else because you cannot see because you're here

Maybe there are people there

This is an imagination, all right

Imagination is rooted in the data that you already have

You cannot imagine something new

You use 2 words together, state of mind and state of being

Being means this

See right now you have a body, but when you were born you were only this much

Now you became this much how the food that you've eaten, isn't it?

Now you have a mind when you were born, you were just poo poo poo poo like a little baby

Suddenly you become all this how?

Whole accumulation of impressions isn't it through five senses

What you have seen what you have heard, what you've smelled, what you've tasted, what you've touched from this, you've formed a whole lot of information with which you have a mind of your own

How rich that information is makes you look that smart in a given society

All right, if you're well informed

Just because you have a good data chip, people think you're smart, not necessarily

Essentially, smart means always in comparison to somebody else

So these days everybody

Being means this

See right now you have a body, but when you were born you were only this much

Now you became this much how the food that you've eaten, isn't it?

Now you have a mind when you were born, you were just poo poo poo like a little baby

Suddenly you become all this how?

Whole accumulation of impressions isn't it through five senses

What you have seen what you have heard, what you've smelled, what you've tasted, what you've touched from this, you have formed a whole lot of information with which you have a mind of your own

How rich that information is makes you look that smart in a given society

All right, if you're well informed

Just because you have a good data chip, people think you are smart, not necessarily

Essentially, smart means always in comparison to somebody

Else so these days everybody saying they have a smartphone

See, when would you call somebody smart?

Only if they're smarter than you?

So if you say smartphone, obviously it is smarter than you simply because it has more memory than you

Isn't it?

And it has more multiple functionality than you

@Joe Rogan

More access to

@Sadhguru

Information yes, so

That is intellect, but intellect is not everything

When it comes to intellect, would you like your intellect sharp or blunt?

Tell me I'm going to bless you right now

@Joe Rogan

You're gonna bless me

@Sadhguru

Do you want it sharp or?

@Joe Rogan

Blunt, I'm gonna go with sharp sounds

@Sadhguru

So that means your intellect is a cutting instrument

It's like a knife

The more sharper it is, the better it is

The sharp knife you can dissect and know things so I want to know Joe Rogan right now, shall I dissect him?

Will I know him if I open him up?

Will I know him?

That way

@Joe Rogan

No, you're gonna have to experience

No, you're gonna have to experience

@Sadhguru

Yes, that's it so

Dissection may show me the how your heart is, how your liver is, how your kidney is, but you won't meet Joe out there all right

@Unknown

Right?

@Sadhguru

So by dissection you can know physical things by dissection

You cannot know anything which is beyond that all right

The life in you cannot be perceived by dissection of any kind

So now with an intellect which is a knife with this knife, if you try to

Stitch your clothes

Then you will be like today's fashion

Everybody is in tatters

So to stitch you need a different kind of tool to cut, you need a different kind of tool right now with a cutting tool

People are trying to do everything

You know, this happened to me at that time

I was crisscrossing India on my motorcycle when I was just in my early 20s

And whole night I've been riding early morning I come into a small place where there is a streetside tea shop where

I had sat down and had a tea and those days this motorcycle chain, you know if you ride 16 hundred 700 kilometers really fast, it becomes slack. You have to remove one link

Today modern motorcycles have made differently. It's very different those days, like around 708 hundred kilometres means it'll become slack so almost every day I have to remove one link from the chain and I have a spare chain with me always because it'll go off on a inner day. At those days I'm riding 1000 to 1200 kilometers per day

In those days when roads were not great and our motorcycle was just 250CC single stroke engine all right. I'm sorry 2 stroke engine so

I was having my tea

It's not very difficult to fix the chain, but it's messy

Your hands get dirty, you need soap and everything

I was having tea and I saw the opposite

There was a small shack

He had moubarak mechanical works

He had written

Strapping young youth I told him, hey, come here man can you fix my chain is that?

@Unknown

Thank you

@Sadhguru

Oh yes Sir, I can fix it

I said OK

Then he came out with a chisel and hammer

I said wait?

And I got up and went and I looked into his shack

He doesn't have any other tools, only thing he has is chisel and hammer

He can fix it, but after that nobody can fix anything on that motorcycle

So right now most human beings are like this

They are trying to fix everything with their intellect which is a cutting instrument with a cutting instrument

If you try to fix everything, all that you will have is a bruised life

That's what they're having

If there are failures in their life, they're suffering

If they're successful, they're dying of tension

If they're poor, they're suffering their poverty

If they become rich, they suffer their taxes

If they're not married, they suffer that if they're married, oh, don't tell me all the things that they do everything because you're trying to handle everything with a cutting instrument

Naturally, you're fully bruised and bleeding by the time you're done with life

So the perception of life is beyond intellect

Intellect is not perception

Intellect is coming out with permutations and combinations of information that you already possess

@Joe Rogan

So you experiencing whatever this life form was, is beyond words

Because it's beyond anything

@Sadhguru

See because words are a product of our intellect

Language is a product of our intellect

That's why I said if I speak, I'll end up speaking illogically

Yes, because intellectually, you cannot think illogically

If you think you can only think logically, somebody may not agree with your logic, but you can only think logically within yourself, isn't it?

Nobody thinks illogically

You may think the other guy is illogical, but he thinks you're illogical

But within your mind, you're never illogical, isn't it?

@Joe Rogan

Right, right?

@Sadhguru

Because the thought process is like that

That is the nature of the intellect

You have to add 2 plus

Two is 4

Maybe you added 2 + 2 is 5, you got it wrong, but you're still thinking is logically correct, isn't it right?

@Joe Rogan

So this experience that you had

Whatever it is, we don't have the tools

To express it in a way that a person who hasn't experienced this can understand it

@Sadhguru

You have you have

The equipment you have not even opened the wraps

Everybody has it

There's nobody who doesn't have it

@Joe Rogan

Do you have to experience it to know what this equipment is?

@Sadhguru

No, it's just that

Where people are invested

That's what they know, isn't it?

So that's all it is

They're invested largely most people are invested in trying to be better than somebody else

Because right from their kindergarten school, their parents, their teachers, everybody told you you must be number

One that means you always enjoy other people's failures

When you enjoy other people's failures, I don't call this joy. I call this sickness

@Joe Rogan

That is a sickness, and that's a sickness that a lot of people possess

They enjoying other people failure sickness, yeah?

@Sadhguru

He will not be

You'll be very unhappy with your billion dollars

Because in comparison

See right now you are 6 feet tall

You're not

I'm just telling you for some time

Let's assume you're 6 feet tall

Now you stand like a tall man

You walk like a tall man

You feel like a tall man

You think like a tall man

You into another society where everybody is 8 feet tall

Suddenly you walk like a short man

Think like a short man feel like a short man so your entire perception is always in comparison

@Unknown

You could write

@Sadhguru

When it comes to sense organs, this is what yoga is about going beyond the senses, because this thing that you perceive in comparison is only useful for survival process

It is not good enough to know the nature of the universe

These are all only

These are all realms which only interest people who just want to know

There may be no use

But you want to know so there is that aspect in every human being, whether it you have kept it alive or you kept it buried is a question

@Joe Rogan

It's that old quote comparison is the thief of joy, I think

Is that thorough

Is it?

@Unknown

Yeah, I remember

@Joe Rogan

Oh, that's right

I thought maybe Thomas Jefferson

Originally attributed to

Get our Roosevelt Roosevelt

Listen man, I really enjoyed talking to you

Thank you very much for being

@Sadhguru

Here, yeah, thank you for having me, but, uh

Uh, you know this soil is a serious situation, and from March 21st I'm riding 30,000 kilometres. I know I'm 65. What I see is in the last two years I've been talking to so many people, influencers, scientists, politicians, leaders. Everybody knows there's a serious problem

@Joe Rogan

There's a serious situation

@Sadhguru

And everybody knows what is the solution also generally

But I think everybody was waiting for some idiot to come and bell the cat

So here I am OK

So next 100 days from March 21st, 100 days, we want the whole world to talk about soil because I'm addressing the COP 15 where 170 nation representatives are there where we are presenting these documents. Before that we want to raise 3 to 4 billion people to talk about soil

Once 60% of the electorate has spoken in the world, that soil is a deep concern to them. Believe me, every government will get active on the job

Because in a democracy the only currency is numbers

@Joe Rogan

Where can someone follow this online?

Do you have a?

@Sadhguru

Website yessavesoil.org is there

@Joe Rogan

Savesoil.org

@Sadhguru

Yes, there's an Instagram and Twitter and Facebook

@Joe Rogan

And you have an Instagram as well

@Sadhguru

So yes, we have what is called as you can become an earth buddy if you become an earth buddy

Every day you spend 5 to 10 minutes to enhance the message to reach as many people as possible

So people must understand this

People are everywhere I go

People, sadhguru, the social media is stressing me

This is rubbish

See many many great beings have come in this world, but when they spoke hardly 10 people could hear them

This is the first time you can sit here and talk to the entire world when you have such tools in your hands

If you do not transform humanity if you do not do what is absolutely needed for this generation, it shows that we don't care enough

I don't want to be that one who didn't care enough to do something which matters because

Right now we are consuming the soil and food that belongs to an unborn child

This is a crime against humanity

@Joe Rogan

I hear you

@Sadhguru

Let's make it happen

@Joe Rogan

Let's make it happen, I will

I will help elevate your signal and thank you very much

I really, really enjoyed this

You gave me a lot to think about

I'm I'm gonna

I'm going to continue to think about those

@Unknown

Thank you, thank you

Right?

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